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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

I've successfully downloaded the three items in Post 1, including the 30 Set-Up spreadsheet.  But where can I find details of Minors' initial forces, force pools and deployment limits?

Thus, I read in the Global War notes that Finland starts with only three corps, but I think I saw somewhere that there are eight actual Finnish units in the counter-set.  I'd like to find out what these are, and what deployment limits they are restricted by (if any).

I imagine all the Minors are documented in one place, but at the moment I can't find them.

Minors do not have "initial forces" per see.
Minors have a countermix, with a number of dated units.
There simply is a rule that says that when a minor is activated in a given year, all units of that the previous year and the previous ones are setup on the map.
Here is an example :

Poland has this land unit countermix :
1943 Gd ARM
1941 Kutno MECH
1932 Tarnow CAV
1935 Rydz HQ-I
1930 Karpaty INF
1934 Modlin INF
1936 Pomorze INF
1937 Poznan INF
1938 Krakow INF
1938 1 INF
1939 Prusy INF
Res Warsaw MIL
Res Lodz MIL
1940 Narew MOT

So, in 1939 you setup all the 1938 and before units, and you put on the reinforcement track the units from 1940. If Poland survives in 1940, and if its controlling major power decides to include Poland's force pool in its force pool, then its controller may build Polish units (randomely picked amongst all his units).

For the Air units this is similar except that the PiF sourced air units are never present at setup.
For the Naval units, this is similar ecept that this is the units that are 2 years old that are setup, and units from the current and previous years are in either the production circle or the construction pool.

You can download an Excel file that lists all WiF FE units at http://pagesperso-orange.fr/froon/WiF/P ... -PatiF.zip (my website).
From that you can deduce the order of battle of any minor country for any year.

I trust MWiF is going to include Cruisers in Flames?
 
I notice that, in the 30 SetUp, Graf Spee and Deutschland start in Europe, as do Exeter, Ajax and Cumberland (with no sign at all of HMNZS Achilles).  Publicity for Cruisers in Flames includes the enticing promise that we can now fight the Battle of the River Plate ... so presumably these ships are allowed to start in the Atlantic?   Is this correct?
 
Does CiF include the gallant HMNZS Achilles?  I hope so.

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

I trust MWiF is going to include Cruisers in Flames?

It is.

I notice that, in the 30 SetUp, Graf Spee and Deutschland start in Europe, as do Exeter, Ajax and Cumberland (with no sign at all of HMNZS Achilles).  Publicity for Cruisers in Flames includes the enticing promise that we can now fight the Battle of the River Plate ... so presumably these ships are allowed to start in the Atlantic?   Is this correct?

It's not unfortunately. Combat ships of neutral countries must return to base at the end of the turn, so can't be at sea at the beginning of the next turn. Thus the Graf Spee is in Germany at the start of S/O39.

BUT, this does not prevent you from moving it during the first impulse when you are at war with the CW, and initiate searches. The WiFZen will be that it sailed just before the outbreak of the war.

Does CiF include the gallant HMNZS Achilles?  I hope so.

Yes it is.
Surface factor 2 (the higher the better -- Yamato 11, Mogami 5, Brooklyn 3), defense 7 (the lower the better -- Yamato 0, Mogami 6, Brooklyn 6), AA 2 (Yamato 4, Mogami 1, Brooklyn 2), shore bombardment 0 (Yamato 4, Mogami 1, Brooklyn 1), move 6, range 5.

Here's a wrinkle I noticed in the rules.  France and the Commonwealth do not declare war on Germany until their first impulse, which means that during the very first impulse of the game Germany is at war only with Poland.  If Germany takes a Combined Action (probably not a good idea, but hey ... this is just theory), she could sneak Graf Spee and Deutschland into the Atlantic the quick way, straight out down the English Channel, without fear of naval interception (I presume Germany, peculiarly, counts as a major neutral for just this one impulse and so is limited to two ships rather than two task forces).

By the end of the turn, Germany will be at war with the Commonwealth and France, so will be free from the neutral's restriction of returning to port.

I hope Cruisers in Flames at least includes the facility to end a turn in a neutral port like Montevideo, as permitted by the Geneva Convention, provided the vessel puts to sea at the start of the next turn?

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Here's a wrinkle I noticed in the rules.  France and the Commonwealth do not declare war on Germany until their first impulse, which means that during the very first impulse of the game Germany is at war only with Poland.  If Germany takes a Combined Action (probably not a good idea, but hey ... this is just theory), she could sneak Graf Spee and Deutschland into the Atlantic the quick way, straight out down the English Channel, without fear of naval interception (I presume Germany, peculiarly, counts as a major neutral for just this one impulse and so is limited to two ships rather than two task forces).

By the end of the turn, Germany will be at war with the Commonwealth and France, so will be free from the neutral's restriction of returning to port.

Most german units are already in position around Poland and few attacks are needed, so a Combined is usually sufficient in the first impulse. As well, since Germany is not at war with a major power a Combined move is manditory (although many games forgo this requirement in the first impulse, with Rule 10.1 option, etc).

In general though, most German players will leave the fleet in port or in the Baltic til later in the turn, since being surprised at sea during the surprise impulse can see your navy beat up pretty badly.

I hope Cruisers in Flames at least includes the facility to end a turn in a neutral port like Montevideo, as permitted by the Geneva Convention, provided the vessel puts to sea at the start of the next turn?

Only the German Raiders (CX) have the option of entering neutral ports.

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

Here's a wrinkle I noticed in the rules.  France and the Commonwealth do not declare war on Germany until their first impulse, which means that during the very first impulse of the game Germany is at war only with Poland.  If Germany takes a Combined Action (probably not a good idea, but hey ... this is just theory), she could sneak Graf Spee and Deutschland into the Atlantic the quick way, straight out down the English Channel, without fear of naval interception (I presume Germany, peculiarly, counts as a major neutral for just this one impulse and so is limited to two ships rather than two task forces).

It is even limited to 1 ship rather than 1 task force, in a combined action.
Except this, all you wrote is right. But see below.

By the end of the turn, Germany will be at war with the Commonwealth and France, so will be free from the neutral's restriction of returning to port.

There is a problem here, that is by the end of the turn, the ships who crossed the Channel to the Atlantic will be unable to return to base because of the lengthned way around the UK, and so by RAW will be destroyed. So the German can't do that, or must put his ships 1 section lower than their maximum so that they can return to base on a longer route.

I hope Cruisers in Flames at least includes the facility to end a turn in a neutral port like Montevideo, as permitted by the Geneva Convention, provided the vessel puts to sea at the start of the next turn?

This is allowed for CX only (Raiders such as the Pinguin, Kormoran, Michel... -- there are 10 of them).

ORIGINAL: Norman42
As well, since Germany is not at war with a major power a Combined move is manditory (although many games forgo this requirement in the first impulse, with Rule 10.1 option, etc).

There is an exception in RAW for Germany who is allowed to take a land impulse while neutral, at the start of the Global War Scenario.

Hi, maybe it has been asked one thousand times, but: Could I have a link to the latest RaW and cumulated errata/clarifications?

http://www.a-d-g.com.au/, then goto Donwloads...

Good luck,
OScar

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Hi, maybe it has been asked one thousand times, but: Could I have a link to the latest RaW and cumulated errata/clarifications?

RAW7 aug 04 : http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiF-RaW-7-aug-04.zip
FAQ 1.2 : http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiFFE_ ... v_2008.pdf

http://www.a-d-g.com.au/, then goto Donwloads...

Good luck,
OScar

Thanks, I had already taken a look at the place but I got kinda puzzled with so many texts:

World in Flames Final Edition
Clarification Summary
Nov 2008 WiFFE_FAQ_v1.2_12_Nov_2008.pdf
World in Flames Rules
Aug 2004
Word Document
(631 kb)

WiF-RaW-7-aug-04.zip (182 kb)
Patton in Flames Rules March 2001

patifrules.zip (77 kb)
Days of Decision III Aug 2004


Rules Word Document or pdf
PRODUCTION MULTIPLES pdf
Set Up xls
Charts pdf
Patton in Flames Errata March 2001
patiferrata.zip (8 kb)

Latest WiF FE components and in which kit they can be found :

componentsfe.zip
Changes between versions
16th July 2000

RAW2-RAW61.zip
RAW4d-RAW6S.zip
Set up, excel files
30setup.zip (56 kb)
Scenario RTF

Scenariotxt.doc (355 kb)
AiF Setup in Excel

aifsetup.zip(25 kb)
AiF Rules AiFRules.doc
or AiFRules.mcw

aif_rules.zip
(109 kb)
aifrules.zip
(115 kb)

AiF Rules supplement
or aifsupp.mcw

aifsupp.zip
(18 kb)
aifsupp_mac.zip
(17 kb)

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Hi, maybe it has been asked one thousand times, but: Could I have a link to the latest RaW and cumulated errata/clarifications?

RAW7 aug 04 : http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiF-RaW-7-aug-04.zip
FAQ 1.2 : http://www.a-d-g.com.au/download/WiFFE_ ... v_2008.pdf

This is what i really wanted, sth. more concrete. thanks a lot, Froonp!

I have the rules. Where do I find all the charts?

Good Hunting.

MR

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
I have the rules. Where do I find all the charts?

Howdy Steve,

What you could do is download the vassal module for World in Flames (you can find a link to it, with comments and explanations, on Patrice's world-famous WIF web site [;)]

You can then open the module with Vassal - or else you can rename it with a ".zip" extension, unzip the files (a lot of them, so it may take some time) and then sort them by size : the tiny ones are mostly counters, the big ones are maps, charts and other (more or else useful) stuff.

Hope it'll help (certainly did that for me !)

Alain

PS : I have already given this piece of information in this thread : Pre-Ordering ? but maybe you didn't notice it

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

I have the rules. Where do I find all the charts?

Good Hunting.

MR

Hi Mad Zhukov, I have a PDF file with charts, don't remember where I did download it, give me your email i will send it to you. [;)]

You can download most of the charts in the Files section of the Wif-group at yahoo:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifdiscussion/files/

I don't remember if you have to sign up, but it is free and you don't get spam [:)]

Regards,
Oscar

ORIGINAL: oscar72se

You can download most of the charts in the Files section of the Wif-group at yahoo:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/wifdiscussion/files/

I don't remember if you have to sign up, but it is free and you don't get spam [:)]

Regards,
Oscar

Be carefull however.
There are multiple copies of the charts that exist, and only one that is valid.
You recognize it by the copyright date.
The latest charts (green & red tables) are dated 2000.
The latest 2d10 combat chart is dated 2003.
Anything earlier is obsolete.

ORIGINAL: Caquineur

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
I have the rules. Where do I find all the charts?

Howdy Steve,

What you could do is download the vassal module for World in Flames (you can find a link to it, with comments and explanations, on Patrice's world-famous WIF web site [;)]

You can then open the module with Vassal - or else you can rename it with a ".zip" extension, unzip the files (a lot of them, so it may take some time) and then sort them by size : the tiny ones are mostly counters, the big ones are maps, charts and other (more or else useful) stuff.

Hope it'll help (certainly did that for me !)

Alain

PS : I have already given this piece of information in this thread : Pre-Ordering ? but maybe you didn't notice it

Alain,

Thanks, but I am totally focused on MWIF. Peering out of my foxhole is done only on rare occasions.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Caquineur

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
I have the rules. Where do I find all the charts?

Howdy Steve,
...
Alain

Alain,
Thanks, but I am totally focused on MWIF. Peering out of my foxhole is done only on rare occasions.

Aloha Steve,

Sorry for the confusion here, but I was replying to "Mad Russian" in fact (that's why I said "Howdy" and not "Aloha" [;)]) - his first name is Steve too.

It's a good thing you're focused on MWiF, by the way [:D] - but take time to enjoy yourself - why not take a trip to Hawaii ?

Alain, the Caquineur version

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

I trust MWiF is going to include Cruisers in Flames?

It is.

I notice that, in the 30 SetUp, Graf Spee and Deutschland start in Europe, as do Exeter, Ajax and Cumberland (with no sign at all of HMNZS Achilles).  Publicity for Cruisers in Flames includes the enticing promise that we can now fight the Battle of the River Plate ... so presumably these ships are allowed to start in the Atlantic?   Is this correct?

It's not unfortunately. Combat ships of neutral countries must return to base at the end of the turn, so can't be at sea at the beginning of the next turn. Thus the Graf Spee is in Germany at the start of S/O39.

BUT, this does not prevent you from moving it during the first impulse when you are at war with the CW, and initiate searches. The WiFZen will be that it sailed just before the outbreak of the war.

Does CiF include the gallant HMNZS Achilles?  I hope so.

Yes it is.
Surface factor 2 (the higher the better -- Yamato 11, Mogami 5, Brooklyn 3), defense 7 (the lower the better -- Yamato 0, Mogami 6, Brooklyn 6), AA 2 (Yamato 4, Mogami 1, Brooklyn 2), shore bombardment 0 (Yamato 4, Mogami 1, Brooklyn 1), move 6, range 5.

Could be possible with Milchcow SUBs? Or they are not available so early (I can´t see the counters now and I don´t remember when they are available).