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RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:37 pm
by Alikchi2
More importantly, as long as the KB is in Malaya he can freely sail around the marshalls under the aircover of his carrier fleet and wreak havoc. An early invasion of Kwajalein perhaps? IIRC the protection there is about 150 AP. Two USMC divs will be more than enough
Hey, you can even try the original WPO plan.
Otherwise, a very nice AAR. I very much like the strong british positions. Hopefully RN will score some hits in night actions. Do you have any 80+ exp squadrons for night naval attacks?
That's a thought! If I concentrate my CVs I might be able to penetrate the marshalls... it's risky but it could work, with the KB way down there. Kwaj might be a bit too much for me to handle this early [;)] I fear the Betties!
Still, I think that Kimmel would have done SOMETHING if he hadn't lost the battlefleet. Kwaj, Wake, Baker.. all possible targets. War Plan Orange? We'll see [;)]
Oh, and re: the Brits - a big chunk of my cruiser and destroyer fleet is untouched, and I have reinforcements coming! Night attacks are definitely a thought. Gotta avoid IJNAF air. Warspite and Repulse have very high experience, and most of the cruisers and destroyers have some kind of previous war experience..
My airgroups aren't great but there's more of them. Beauforts in particular should be nice to have, along with Beaufighters.
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:40 pm
by Terminus
Plus, you do have those luvverly US battlecruisers to play with...
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:41 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Alikchi
More importantly, as long as the KB is in Malaya he can freely sail around the marshalls under the aircover of his carrier fleet and wreak havoc. An early invasion of Kwajalein perhaps? IIRC the protection there is about 150 AP. Two USMC divs will be more than enough
Hey, you can even try the original WPO plan.
Otherwise, a very nice AAR. I very much like the strong british positions. Hopefully RN will score some hits in night actions. Do you have any 80+ exp squadrons for night naval attacks?
That's a thought! If I concentrate my CVs I might be able to penetrate the marshalls... it's risky but it could work, with the KB way down there. Kwaj might be a bit too much for me to handle this early [;)] I fear the Betties!
Still, I think that Kimmel would have done SOMETHING if he hadn't lost the battlefleet. Kwaj, Wake, Baker.. all possible targets. War Plan Orange? We'll see [;)]
Oh, and re: the Brits - a big chunk of my cruiser and destroyer fleet is untouched, and I have reinforcements coming! Night attacks are definitely a thought. Gotta avoid IJNAF air. Warspite and Repulse have very high experience, and most of the cruisers and destroyers have some kind of previous war experience..
My airgroups aren't great but there's more of them. Beauforts in particular should be nice to have, along with Beaufighters.
IMHO with all the bombardment power you have, fast BC's and slow BB's you can level Kwaj easily. Get on it! [8D] Imho Kwajalein is the most important target, it's the heart of Marshalls and you can really control the whole archipelago from there. B-17's and a squadron of P40B's for escort, CV's and stuff and you have your guadalcanal 8 months earlier [8D]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:42 pm
by Alikchi2
Plus, you do have those luvverly US battlecruisers to play with...
Indeed, although they're pretty damn fragile[:D] I could still form a fast combat TF around Constellation or Constitution. United States still hasn't arrived at Panama.
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:43 pm
by Alikchi2
IMHO with all the bombardment power you have, fast BC's and slow BB's you can level Kwaj easily. Get on it! Imho Kwajalein is the most important target, it's the heart of Marshalls and you can really control the whole archipelago from there. B-17's and a squadron of P40B's for escort, CV's and stuff and you have your guadalcanal 8 months earlier
Hmmm.. definitely a thought... [8D] I'll keep thinking!
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:43 pm
by Terminus
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:44 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Terminus
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
How long before he has 1st and 2nd USMC operational? Imho they are both ready to move in january-february.
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:45 pm
by Andy Mac
This could be a problem I think if IJN are going to hit Singers which with the strength of RN fleet they will as its the only place you can be sure of hitting CV's I think you have to have surprise off otherwise its unfair also more of available fighters covering the harbour....
IJN fleet getting that close undetected to all those veteran ships at anchor doing what the RN did to the Italians at Taranto with Cunningham in charge not to mention Park its nuts.
Surprise off as standard in future methinks and CAP at high levels for RAF.
p.s I also would start with at least part of the RN force in transit to Singers not in the harbour itself otherwise they are sitting ducks.
p.p.s. Have some allied ships in a TF in harbour to increase AA of base at start or ban Betty Attacks in turn 1 launching torps at Singers
Nice AAR !!!
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:45 pm
by veji1
you might have to mod your Iron Storm mod so that Attacking Singapore with the whole KB is not possible, only allowing an attack by the 2 CVs and 2CVLs from Camrahn Bay... Because it ruins the gameplay, it only provides Japan with free targets and lots of points on day one...Now he can just about encircle Malaya and then score lots of points killing all these extras LCUs... You might want to Make Singapore into the real Pearl Harbour : Leave there some old BBs and maybe the Ark, and pretend the other capital ships were on a training mission near the Adamans...
This is just a suggestion... I wish you luck in the SRA, and strongly recommend an immediate attack in the Marshalls...
Edit : Andy beat me by 27 seconds...[;)]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:46 pm
by Alikchi2
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
Point. I think I could scrape together 2nd USMC Div (if I used up all my PPs - it starts at San Diego, I believe), a couple of RCTs, and a Marine Defence Bn. [8|] Not exactly awe-inspiring force.
Probably I'll play it safe and garrison the convoy route to Australia - Palmyra, Canton, Papaete, et cetera.. but you never know.
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:47 pm
by Terminus
ORIGINAL: String
ORIGINAL: Terminus
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
How long before he has 1st and 2nd USMC operational? Imho they are both ready to move in january-february.
Erm, 2nd Marines start in San Diego with 35% disablement, and 1st Marines doesn't even arrive until May 1942.
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:47 pm
by Andy Mac
Maybe dismount some RN Sqns to simulate FAA Cap over the island as well.
Unless your mod has a major deception plan that few aircraft on CAP is weird
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:48 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Alikchi
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
Point. I think I could scrape together 2nd USMC Div (if I used up all my PPs - it starts at San Diego, I believe), a couple of RCTs, and a Marine Defence Bn. [8|] Not exactly awe-inspiring force.
Probably I'll play it safe and garrison the convoy route to Australia - Palmyra, Canton, Papaete, et cetera.. but you never know.
No No No. Strike now. Strike fast and strike hard!!!!
ADM String T. Agression 98 [:'(]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:48 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Terminus
ORIGINAL: String
ORIGINAL: Terminus
There's still a fair way until you have American land forces capable of an opposed landing at Kwajalein, though...
How long before he has 1st and 2nd USMC operational? Imho they are both ready to move in january-february.
Erm, 2nd Marines start in San Diego with 35% disablement, and 1st Marines doesn't even arrive until May 1942.
Well he could take a division off Hawaii..
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:51 pm
by Terminus
You really want him to attack, huh? You're not secretly in league with Feurer, are you?[;)]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:53 pm
by Andy Mac
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
This could be a problem I think if IJN are going to hit Singers which with the strength of RN fleet they will as its the only place you can be sure of hitting CV's I think you have to have surprise off otherwise its unfair also more of available fighters covering the harbour....
IJN fleet getting that close undetected to all those veteran ships at anchor doing what the RN did to the Italians at Taranto with Cunningham in charge not to mention Park its nuts.
Surprise off as standard in future methinks and CAP at high levels for RAF.
p.s I also would start with at least part of the RN force in transit to Singers not in the harbour itself otherwise they are sitting ducks.
p.p.s. Have some allied ships in a TF in harbour to increase AA of base at start or ban Betty Attacks in turn 1 launching torps at Singers
Nice AAR !!!
Or move in some Maltese veteran ack Ack gunners to keep the pesky bombers away !!!!![:D][:D][:D]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:54 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Terminus
You really want him to attack, huh? You're not secretly in league with Feurer, are you?[;)]
Nope, but the garrison beeline to australia is such an old and boring tactic. With the KB tied to Malaya (if he leaves then he will be in trouble) the opportunity for an early offensive is very good.
edit: Oh and it's a playtest too, why not explore every opportunity [;)]
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:01 pm
by Alikchi2
Good God I'm getting a lot of response fast, thanks guys! [:D]
This could be a problem I think if IJN are going to hit Singers which with the strength of RN fleet they will as its the only place you can be sure of hitting CV's I think you have to have surprise off otherwise its unfair also more of available fighters covering the harbour....
IJN fleet getting that close undetected to all those veteran ships at anchor doing what the RN did to the Italians at Taranto with Cunningham in charge not to mention Park its nuts.
Surprise off as standard in future methinks and CAP at high levels for RAF.
p.s I also would start with at least part of the RN force in transit to Singers not in the harbour itself otherwise they are sitting ducks.
p.p.s. Have some allied ships in a TF in harbour to increase AA of base at start or ban Betty Attacks in turn 1 launching torps at Singers
Nice AAR !!!
First off thanks! [:D]
I've thought about leaving surprise off but honestly it would be unfair to the Japanese, since they would not get their normal bonus over Pearl and Clark - and Lexington is disbanded in port at Pearl to slightly counterbalance the two RN carriers at Singapore.
I think that the IJN doing to Singapore what it did to Pearl to be less likely than Pearl was but still a possibility.. remember, both the USN and the RN didn't know where the KB was until the bombs were falling at Pearl Harbour. I could see the KB sprinting into range of Singapore in the night and launching a "Pearl Harbor"-type strike at the crack of dawn, catching the RAF and RN by surprise.. I did not get to it yet in the AAR, but Park did launch a large counterstrike later in the day. [:)]
You were right about the RN forces in transit - the two battlecruisers were still on their way to Singapore on the 7th, so they're safe. I still have a couple of fast capital ships to contest the South China Sea with. [:)]
But I really don't think FK's strategy was unfair or unrealistic - the opposite, in fact.
you might have to mod your Iron Storm mod so that Attacking Singapore with the whole KB is not possible, only allowing an attack by the 2 CVs and 2CVLs from Camrahn Bay... Because it ruins the gameplay, it only provides Japan with free targets and lots of points on day one...Now he can just about encircle Malaya and then score lots of points killing all these extras LCUs... You might want to Make Singapore into the real Pearl Harbour : Leave there some old BBs and maybe the Ark, and pretend the other capital ships were on a training mission near the Adamans...
This is just a suggestion... I wish you luck in the SRA, and strongly recommend an immediate attack in the Marshalls...
Thanks Veiji! I know where you're coming from, but I'd like to leave it up to the players themselves as to what to do with the KB and what should be possible or not. If the Allied player thinks that a KB attack on Singapore is unlikely or unbalancing, then he can propose a house rule.. but I think the important thing is that I leave the players the option to make the choice and do whatever they want. [:)] Personally, I think I can still chew him up pretty badly..
But we will see!
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:05 pm
by Alikchi2
Andy: Dismounting some FAA sqns is actually a pretty good idea. As for flak.. well, with the amount of troops I have available, Singapore is henceforth going to be hell for IJN bombers. [:D] The Nells were cut up pretty bad over the Naval Base.. now that December 7th Surprise has worn off, Park & Co will be ready.
String: I like your style [;)] I really can't say whether I've made up my mind one way or the other, but.. hmmmm...
RE: Allied naval forces in the SRA
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:39 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: Alikchi
String: I like your style [;)] I really can't say whether I've made up my mind one way or the other, but.. hmmmm...
Thankyou [8D]