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ORIGINAL: Alby

I just realized the Title of this thread, so NO
the Japanese do not get TransPOT planes.
[:D]

Ok, let's play nice -- for what-if's, yeah, some transport planes need to be in certain OOBs -- don't know what the Japanese used, but the Marines could borrow some planes from the Army, which is probably what would've happened if they ever needed them.

The Airborne drops in Europe were one thing, but the German experience on Crete convinced the Americans that paratroop drops on a defended island was nothing more than a suicide mission. No go in the Pacific.

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin
The Airborne drops in Europe were one thing, but the German experience on Crete convinced the Americans that paratroop drops on a defended island was nothing more than a suicide mission.

The USMC maybe, but the US Army conducted a number of (successful) parachute operations in the pacific, most dramatic was perhaps the recapture of Corregidor. [;)]

Alby,

I'm very disappointed. Why don't my troops have lazer guns? Why can't I have my own OOB of trolls? Also, why can't you re-write all of the code to allow my tanks to fly?

You guys are just not working hard enough on this - Matrix paid you all LOADS of money to work on it, now get back into your pit!






[;)]

[:D]

ORIGINAL: Alby

[font="times new roman"] data on Japanese paratroop operations in the Pacific War.[/font]

[font="times new roman"]1) Celebes Island [NEI] Menado-Kema area [target Langoan Airfield]; IJN 1 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Cdr Toyoaki Horiuchi]; 334 men were dropped from G3M1-L transport aircraft on 11 Jan 42 and 185 more paratroops on 12 Jan 42.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
2) Sumatra Island [NEI] Palembang area [target Palembang 1 Airfield]; IJA 2 Parachute Regiment of 1 Parachute Brigade [CO Col Seiichi Kume]; 360 paratroops were dropped from Ki-56 and Ki-57 transport aircraft on 14 Jan 42 and 100 more men on the next day.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
3) Timor Island [NEI] Dili-Koepang area [target Penfoei Airfield]; IJN 3 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Lt Cdr Koichi Fukumi]; 308 paratroops were dropped from G3M1-L planes on 20 Feb 42 and 323 more on the next day. Seizing of Timor was the first combined paratroop and amphibious operation in the history of warfare. IJN marines and IJA amphibious units also took part in this operation. Additionally participating forces were covered by F1M2 floatplanes from the seaplane carrier MIZUHO.
All three paratroop operations carried out in the beginning of the war were successful.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
4) Leyte Island [the Philippine Islands] [target network of airfields seized by US forces]; IJA 3 Parachute Regiment - Katori Shimpei Force [CO Lt Col Tsunehiro Shirai]; 409 paratroops were dropped on 6 Dec 44 from Ki-57 planes. Operation WA ended in disaster as IJA paratroops were not able to hold their initial gains and were wiped out by overwhelming US forces.[/font]


So, it appears actually should go to 1944 instead of 1943, and perhaps should not start as early as in the game now.
of course since Flashfyre nor I created these units or formations in the first place, your childish name calling must be directed at someone else huh?

So far you have called us Pedophiles, monkeys, and probably a few other choice names.
The likes of your idiocy, has never been seen on this forum in the 6 years I have been a member here.

tell you what, you take almost a year out of your life and work to improve this game , lets see what you come up with.
probably nothing because you are too busy with your childish name calling to actually do anything but criticise someone elses work.
you are a real class act.
[8|]

However, have you researched into Japanese paratroop ops in China? AFAIK they conducted a few there well before the pacific war started.

ORIGINAL: Alby

[:D]

He is not joking you! Get back to work and earn that truck load of money they paid you under the bandstand![;)]

Just checked the transport is available from Jan 40 to end of 45, the actual formation with the aircraft in it is available from Jan 40 to end of 43.

In 43 the glider becomes available and it remains available through the end of 45.

This was in the enhanced version.

However I have noticed that some countries can buy tranport aircraft as core units and some can not. Japan can not.

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Just checked the transport is available from Jan 40 to end of 45, the actual formation with the aircraft in it is available from Jan 40 to end of 43.

In 43 the glider becomes available and it remains available through the end of 45.

This was in the enhanced version.

However I have noticed that some countries can buy tranport aircraft as core units and some can not. Japan can not.

You may only buy transports in your Core Force if a) the Campaign routine determines that your nation has air assets available for the date/theater, or b) you change the Air Sections in the Preferences Screen to anything but the default XXX. Each number in this setting, up to a maximum of 25, gets you one Air Section (formation). In the case of a), you may not receive enough Sections to buy enough transports for an entire Core.

This whole problem with transports and core forces is not because of the OOBs; it is a function of the way the Campaign Generator routine is written, and what parameters were set by the programmers for Air Availability for each nation.

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: Alby

[font="times new roman"] data on Japanese paratroop operations in the Pacific War.[/font]

[font="times new roman"]1) Celebes Island [NEI] Menado-Kema area [target Langoan Airfield]; IJN 1 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Cdr Toyoaki Horiuchi]; 334 men were dropped from G3M1-L transport aircraft on 11 Jan 42 and 185 more paratroops on 12 Jan 42.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
2) Sumatra Island [NEI] Palembang area [target Palembang 1 Airfield]; IJA 2 Parachute Regiment of 1 Parachute Brigade [CO Col Seiichi Kume]; 360 paratroops were dropped from Ki-56 and Ki-57 transport aircraft on 14 Jan 42 and 100 more men on the next day.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
3) Timor Island [NEI] Dili-Koepang area [target Penfoei Airfield]; IJN 3 Yokosuka SNLF (Air) [CO Lt Cdr Koichi Fukumi]; 308 paratroops were dropped from G3M1-L planes on 20 Feb 42 and 323 more on the next day. Seizing of Timor was the first combined paratroop and amphibious operation in the history of warfare. IJN marines and IJA amphibious units also took part in this operation. Additionally participating forces were covered by F1M2 floatplanes from the seaplane carrier MIZUHO.
All three paratroop operations carried out in the beginning of the war were successful.[/font] [font="times new roman"]
4) Leyte Island [the Philippine Islands] [target network of airfields seized by US forces]; IJA 3 Parachute Regiment - Katori Shimpei Force [CO Lt Col Tsunehiro Shirai]; 409 paratroops were dropped on 6 Dec 44 from Ki-57 planes. Operation WA ended in disaster as IJA paratroops were not able to hold their initial gains and were wiped out by overwhelming US forces.[/font]


So, it appears actually should go to 1944 instead of 1943, and perhaps should not start as early as in the game now.
of course since Flashfyre nor I created these units or formations in the first place, your childish name calling must be directed at someone else huh?

So far you have called us Pedophiles, monkeys, and probably a few other choice names.
The likes of your idiocy, has never been seen on this forum in the 6 years I have been a member here.

tell you what, you take almost a year out of your life and work to improve this game , lets see what you come up with.
probably nothing because you are too busy with your childish name calling to actually do anything but criticise someone elses work.
you are a real class act.
[8|]

However, have you researched into Japanese paratroop ops in China? AFAIK they conducted a few there well before the pacific war started.

Show us a reference or something and we will be glad to change it
[:)]
when I researched Japansese Paratroop operations this was all I could really find.

We really cannot research everything for all 28 nations. That would be all we ever do.
We also cant just change things because someone says
"AFAIK they conducted a few there"
We would be changing things almost nonstop if that were the case.
The Japanese OOB has had the paratroops set up they way they were since version..???
That being said
I have now adjusted them to go from Jan 39-end of 44
[:)]

ORIGINAL: Don Doom

ORIGINAL: Alby

[:D]

He is not joking you! Get back to work and earn that truck load of money they paid you under the bandstand![;)]

On top Of bandstand!!!!
[:D]

I must concur with Alby on these requests to make changes.

Folks, WE did our research...we loked in books, visited websites, compared data, made decisions. The end result is what you see in the Mod. It's not perfect; there are mistakes and errors in it, which we intend to correct as we find them.

However, we won't be doing research to prove YOUR claim. That's YOUR responsibility; if any of you have differing information that supports your claim, please provide it to us. Book titles and page numbers, web links, etc. YOU must do the research for yourselves.

Better yet, use the tools provided with the game and make your own Mod. If you don't have valid factual data to back up a claim, no problem. Just change what you want to whatever you want in your own version.

reference:
http://www.star-games.com/exhibits/snlf/snlf.html

SNLF units jumped trained in 41. So they should be available at this point. But its only a game!

ORIGINAL: String


However, have you researched into Japanese paratroop ops in China? AFAIK they conducted a few there well before the pacific war started.

Well, don't keep us in suspense -- please educate us.

Oh, this guy is a WiTP fan -- I guess he just dropped in to stir up some sh*t.

Give us some data, man, or just go away. [:-]

Now Gunny, play nice
[:D]

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: Alby

I just realized the Title of this thread, so NO
the Japanese do not get TransPOT planes.
[:D]

Ok, let's play nice -- for what-if's, yeah, some transport planes need to be in certain OOBs -- don't know what the Japanese used, but the Marines could borrow some planes from the Army, which is probably what would've happened if they ever needed them.

The Airborne drops in Europe were one thing, but the German experience on Crete convinced the Americans that paratroop drops on a defended island was nothing more than a suicide mission. No go in the Pacific.

I beg your pardon Glenn, but MY old unit was dropped onto Corregidor, by parachute!!
To this day, the 503rd PIR is called "The Rock", and it's regimental emblem shows the eagle over "The Rock"........

I just read past Glenn's comment ref "lack of U.S. paradrops in the Pacific" and noted with pleasure somebody had already mentioned the Corregidor jump..Others were made in New Guinea as well....
To coin an airborne phrase, I was ready to "stand in the door" on this one.......[8D]

Well, I see that the guy who started this (Forgorin) has fallen silent.   I think he just wants to keep discussion going, and that's fine.   
 
As for editing the OOBs to match your personal preferences, yes, I've done it, and they MAY or MAY NOT screw up any attempts to play scenarios.   No matter to me --I'm a campaign player.  
 
You shouldn't fear experimenting with the OOBs -- just backup the originals in another folder, and you can do as you please.  
 
Don't expect the mod team to jump each time a pet peeve comes up -- you guys have the same tools as OOB designers have, and you can alter the database to your heart's content.   

ORIGINAL: FlashfyreSP

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Just checked the transport is available from Jan 40 to end of 45, the actual formation with the aircraft in it is available from Jan 40 to end of 43.

In 43 the glider becomes available and it remains available through the end of 45.

This was in the enhanced version.

However I have noticed that some countries can buy tranport aircraft as core units and some can not. Japan can not.

You may only buy transports in your Core Force if a) the Campaign routine determines that your nation has air assets available for the date/theater, or b) you change the Air Sections in the Preferences Screen to anything but the default XXX. Each number in this setting, up to a maximum of 25, gets you one Air Section (formation). In the case of a), you may not receive enough Sections to buy enough transports for an entire Core.

This whole problem with transports and core forces is not because of the OOBs; it is a function of the way the Campaign Generator routine is written, and what parameters were set by the programmers for Air Availability for each nation.

Even setting the air assets number does not allow for air transport as some countries. As Japan the air craft and formation exsist and I have set the air assets group number to no avail. This was in 1940 in China, and no the first mission was not so dark aircraft were not avaialble.

As for the bit about airctraft being a progammer thing, I am well aware of that.

Well, I just started one. WWII Campaign, 1941, against China, and could buy transports and paratroops.

Lot of factors involved here...check them all. Sometimes one will be in effect when you start the campaign, but not later. Weather, # of air sections, visibility, mission, campaign date and location, etc. If it doesn't work once, try again.


Mission type is critical: you cannot perform air drops unless Advancing or Assaulting. The game will not provide transports for other mission types. And in the generated campaign (not the WWII one), no transports are allowed as core force units. This appears to be another of those coding issues.

So, is everybody clear on the availability of air transports for campaigns now?

ORIGINAL: omegaall

reference:
http://www.star-games.com/exhibits/snlf/snlf.html

SNLF units jumped trained in 41. So they should be available at this point. But its only a game!

And they are. Paratroops and transports are both available in 1941. That was not in dispute...but claims that Japanese paratroops dropped in China before 1940 are, and will need verification; we found no such evidence.