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Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:21 pm**

I think it's mainly us UK buyers who are feeling it...£73 is a hell of alot of money....

IF I could afford the game I'd buy it...I'd think it was alot of money but I'd still purchase the game because I know it will be one of the highlights of my wargaming hobby......you see in no way can I afford £73 for a game....its way above my disposable income (I'm a single parent who is disabled and have to rely on benefits)...I struggle finding the money for your average priced game as it is....if your lucky enough to be able to spend £73 and be able to play a game I've been looking forward to for the last three years, then please be a little more sympathetic to those of us who literally can't afford it.

I'm not doubting its worth the money...its just upsetting I've been priced out.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:38 pm**

I have been following this game from the start, checking the forum every week. I dont tend to say too much or post much, but im always here in the background. In fact it was almost 2 years ago since I posted the topic of which book to buy in preperation for the game lol! It looks well worth the wait I must admit, but...

 I never thought id be sat here wanting a game so badly but refusing to pay such a steep price. Im afraid im going to have to give this a miss. Im absoloutely gutted. The price is too steep, the development time and the amount of detail does not matter in a market where there are ALOT of games which have just as much play time (im not just counting wargames). You have, in my opinion (of which im entitled to before you all jump me) priced one heck of alot of people out of purchasing a game which is already in a very small market of wargaming. I just dont get it. Im really dissapointed, guess I will have to wait another year for another fantastic Matrix xmas sale! lol [:(]

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:47 pm**

In my mind this is gouging long time customers pure and simple, regardless of the justifications about development costs, research etc, which to me sound a little manufactured anyways. To use an example -

Not too long ago, I guided a long time wargamer back into the fold with Combat Mission ShockForce and its modules and had to talk about value, costs etc; that was an easy sell compared to this! For $70 you got the base game plus the two modules which included the Marine and British forces, several new scenarios and campaigns, scenario and map editor and literally hundreds of hours of gameplay. I argued development costs because of the research and artist work into new units and the new animations in a 3D environment, plus the continual development of the base engine included with the upgrades.

With BFTB there is no such thing at $80! It's the same base modified engine from HTTR and COTA, and this battle is probably the easiest to research since it's been done so many times. How will this appeal to anyone other than the hardcore wargamers? From comments here, even many wargamers and fans of the series are alienated. Sure if you want it, you will buy it regardless that's a strawman argument. I don't get this pricing other than to milk the customers. Count this wargamer out as well.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:48 pm**

Don't forget Howard matrixgames doesn't usually put their premium games up on the xmas sale the year of release. So, you might be looking at xmas sale of 2011 before you see this one with a 25% discount which at $80 isn't very much in fact haha it's exactly $20 which would just put it back to what it should have sold for in the first place. lmao what a marketing strategy. No real sale at all just a chance to hopefully finally get it for the full retail price before the price gouging extra $20.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:49 pm**

Disclaimer, I just made the purchase and I'm downloading now. Just a couple thoughts came to my mind.

I can understand the price seems high for some people but what is it really? I consider it like 55 euros for the game (usual price for new games around here) and then the extra 20 euros (of which some goes to VAT) is a small thanks for making these games. Maybe it buys someone a beer or two which I would buy anyway if I met any of the developers in person [:)]. I know it doesn't go to some big corporation jackass. Beer offer will stand if you sometime come to Finland regardless of the price of the game [;)].

Such games as this series don't really exist anywhere else and I don't see any problem supporting the developers when they make games that are as fascinating. When they can offer it for less price they will. Isn't it more important to all of us that they keep making the games and updates?

My 2 euro cents. Please Dave, write some technical article about the engine behind the game. Some technical details would be most interesting.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:53 pm**

ORIGINAL: ElchDivision

ORIGINAL: beatoangelico

I would also note again that this is not our new overall pricing strategy as a publisher, this is just the pricing for this particular game.

I certainly hope so. Sadly this one was the game I was looking forward.

As to the other people, why continue moaning? You have the choice - buy it or leave it. This thread is exploding with statements like this.
If you want the game buy it, if you cant buy it because of your financial situation save up for it (thats what I do when I am broke). If you dont like the setting, buy another game. Its quite simple realy.
But all this moaning about a perfectly good product just because you are pissed off about the price .....

just to answer to all the similar posts...my cash reserves are limited, and my free time is not infinite. I have all the rights to complain about the price since it's the only thing can really keeps me from buying. Just like the publisher has all the rights to say "it is the way it is".
If someone doesn't understand what's the problem it's good for them, since they probably have more money than me. But I don't see the need of posts like this one.

Thats what I meant. You dont have the money, I am very sorry for that and I dont want to be rude. But complaining does not help anybody. If its 20 Euros above your "limit" , save up for it. Smoke 3 boxes of fags less, buy cheap cornflakes instead of Keloggs for a month - its easy. We are not talking about software priced 1000s of Euros.
If someone does not have the money its one thing, but saving up rather than complaining makes it a lot easier.

I complain because I want that Matrix knows that could grab someone on the sidelines of the wargaming like me and they didn't because of the price. No matter how much the devs or the users point that this is a game for the grogs to justify the price, I don't get it and I still think it would be a very good introductory wargame. I'm embittered because I think it's a wasted opportunity. Maybe I'm delusional. Maybe not.
And btw, cheap cornflakes suck [:'(]

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 3:55 pm**

If they had sold it for $20 less they would have ALREADY had alot more sales jusdging by this thread which would have offset the lower price tag, so I still stand by my point. Higher price tag, less people buying it, probably balances out the profit to be honest, but you have less people playing it. Doesnt make sense to me at all.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:00 pm**

ORIGINAL: wodin

I think it's mainly us UK buyers who are feeling it...£73 is a hell of alot of money....

IF I could afford the game I'd buy it...I'd think it was alot of money but I'd still purchase the game because I know it will be one of the highlights of my wargaming hobby......you see in no way can I afford £73 for a game....its way above my disposable income (I'm a single parent who is disabled and have to rely on benefits)...I struggle finding the money for your average priced game as it is....if your lucky enough to be able to spend £73 and be able to play a game I've been looking forward to for the last three years, then please be a little more sympathetic to those of us who literally can't afford it.

I'm not doubting its worth the money...its just upsetting I've been priced out.

Wodin

I can't help but think it's not just the fact that's it's priced out of your range - but the same reason I won't buy it. You and I have similar buying and playing tendencies...we buy and play and move on...£73 (whether you afford it or not) is alot of money for a game you know and I know will not play solidly for much longer than a few weeks.

Well - you know yourself better than I do - but I thought we had a similar gaming makeup, that's all.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:01 pm**

Do European gamers want a discount? Follow these steps:

1. Get a Paypal acct (free)
2. Deposit $80 USD
3. Click "Buy Now" on BftB site and enter the USA store
4. Pay using Paypal
5. Save a lot of money (Euros still worth more than dollars)
6. Download and enjoy

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:15 pm**

It pains me to say this because I like Matrix so much but it seems on me that more and more games are being released here that I say wow when I see the price or details.

Across the Dnper 2 is too much considering I have to buy the first one as well. I don't own any of the series BFTB engine was based on and was planning on getting this title today but once I saw the price I can safely say I won't download the demo nor ever buy it. There is no good reason to raise the price of a game released 4 years ago other than to gouge the consumer. Atleast Admiral's Edition has some lower cost titles based off its model to see if the title is to your liking.

I value my money and am on a limited budget there are too many options vying for my entertainment dollar than spending it on something when I get the impression someone is taking me to the woodshed. After seeing what's going on here I know War in the East is going to cost mega bucks, I'll save and buy it but instead of getting my kids and wife to purchase me games from Matrix on Fathers Day, birthdays or Christmas, I'll ask for something else. Matrix will get money for games I see myself playing for a long time but they'll not get my fringe purchases.

I'll never buy anything from Panther Games being upfront and decent with customers is my most important criteria, raising prices on a 4 year old game is unacceptable.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:27 pm**

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

I would like to read a review about this game,

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/aah ... eview.html

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/airborne-as ... 959p1.html

Average rating (of mainstream media) summarized at metacritic:

....but can't find one.

You do know how to use Google, though, do you? There are many other reviews, I recommend to check out www.wargamer.com .

You can find a review of Conquest of the Aegean at wargamer.com:

http://www.wargamer.com/article/2318/Co ... the-Aegean

And at Armchairgeneral:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/review-a ... gean.htm/1

I never said this game carries major deficiencies, I said they claim to have the best AI .....

They don't claim it, I can't remember Panther's wording (marketing-wise) on that one, but what I can tell you is that the CUSTOMERS use to say that, including me (I own HTTR and COTA). Tim Stone (who is being nicknamed "Hexmaster" by some people [:D]) stated that he never got to play against such a flexible, capable AI until the point when he played COTA's AI for his review in 2006 (was it for www.rockpapershotgun.com?), which says a lot.

Try the demo, and see for yourself. It then comes down to personal taste (and maybe price tag) for the decision to buy it or not, but the AI won't cause any disappointment, rest assured.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:36 pm**

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

ORIGINAL: ElchDivision

Not to forget the battles in the Harz Mountains in 1945. Would be nice if I could play around with Sturmbatallion AOK 11 in which my grandfather served. ooooooooh the possibilities !!!!
Hmmm...My grandfather was in the 32nd Infantry Division, 94th Infantry regiment , Company D. 17 in 1939 and 27 when the Russians let him go. Off subject I know, but what division was he in?

Infanterie-Regiment 94

Feldpostnummern ab der Mobilmachung: Die Einheiten wurden als Teile vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 in der Feldpostübersicht eingetragen. Anfang 1940 wurden die einzelnen Kompanien gestrichen und diese ab Mitte 1940 direkt beim jeweiligen Stab eingetragen. 1941 wurde die Kolonne zur 8. leichte Fahrkolonne der Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 32 umbenannt. 1942/43 wurde der Eintrag vom III. Bataillon gestrichen. Alle anderen Einheiten wurden am 3. Februar 1944 zu Teilen vom Grenadier-Regiment 94 umbenannt.

Einheit Feldpostnummer Nummer ab Mitte 1940
Regimentsstab 25047 25047
Stab I. Bataillon 04003 04003 A
1. Kompanie 24276 04003 B
2. Kompanie 04391 04003 C
3. Kompanie 04633 04003 D
4. Kompanie 04393 04003 E
Stab II. Bataillon 24987 24987 A
5. Kompanie 27775 24987 B
6. Kompanie 14604 24987 C
7. Kompanie 12732 24987 D
8. Kompanie 24869 24987 E
Stab III. Bataillon 24870 24870 A gestr. 42/43
9. Kompanie 12795 24870 B gestr. 42/43
10. Kompanie 12981 24870 C gestr. 42/43
11. Kompanie 12971 24870 D gestr. 42/43
12. Kompanie 28444 24870 E gestr. 42/43
13. Kompanie 05337 05337
14. Kompanie 24986 24986
Kolonne 25074 25074 bis 1941
Mit freundlicher Genehmigung von: Kannapin, Norbert: Die deutsche Feldpostübersicht (3 Bd.), vollständiges Verzeichnis der Feldpostnummern, Biblio-Verlag (1980), ISBN-10: 3764811838

Das Infanterie-Regiment 94 wurde am 6. Oktober 1936 vorerst ohne Regimentsstab im Wehrkreis II aufgestellt. Das I. Bataillon vom Regiment wurde durch das I. Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 4 in Neustettin, im Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Das II. Bataillon vom Regiment wurde durch das IV. Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 25 in Köslin, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Ebenfalls Anfang Oktober 1936 wurde durch die Umbenennung vom Ergänzungs-Bataillon 11 ein Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 in Schlawe, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Die Bataillon vom Regiment unterstanden den Infanterie-Regimentern 4 und 96 der 32. Infanterie-Division. Am 12. Oktober 1937 konnten dann die bereits bestehenden Teile zum neu gebildeten Regimentsstab in Köslin, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, treten. Die 13. und 14. Kompanie wurden gleichzeitig ebenfalls in Köslin aufgestellt. Das Regiment wurde jetzt direkt der 32. Infanterie-Division unterstellt. Durch Abgaben aus allen Einheiten der Division wurde im Herbst 1938 der Regiments-Reiterzug aufgestellt. Das Ergänzungs-Bataillon wurde im Herbst 1938 zum I. Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 umbenannt. Im Frühjahr 1939 wurde durch Abgaben vom Regiment und der Infanterie-Regimenter 4 und 89 ebenfalls in Neustettin noch ein II. Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 aufgestellt. Während sich die 32. Infanterie-Division im August 1939 an der Grenze auf den Beginn des 2. Weltkrieges im Spätsommer einstellte wurde in Köslin auch das noch fehlende III. Bataillon vom Regiment aufgestellt. Am 1. September 1939 um 4:45 Uhr überschritt das Infanterie-Regiment 94 mit unterstellter I. Abteilung vom Artillerie-Regiment 32 die Grenze zu Polen. Ende Januar 1940 musste das II. Bataillon vom Regiment zur Neuaufstellung vom Infanterie-Regiment 509 der 292. Infanterie-Division auf den Truppenübungsplatz Groß Born, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, abgegeben werden. Es musste daraufhin aus Mitteln der Division wieder ersetzt werden. Anfang Oktober 1940 mussten das III. Bataillon vom Regiment mit der 13. Kompanie vom Regiment zur Neuaufstellung des II. Bataillons vom Infanterie-Regiment 411 der 122. Infanterie-Division auf den Truppenübungsplatz Groß Born abgegeben werden. Die Einheiten wurden aus den bestehenden Bataillonen, sowie die 13. durch Abgabe je einen Drittels der 13. Kompanien der anderen beiden Regimenter ersetzt. Das Personalfehl wurde mit neu zugewiesenem Ersatz aufgefüllt. Am 15. Oktober 1942 erfolgt die Umbenennung vom Regiment zum Grenadier-Regiment 94.

Für die Ersatzgestellung des Regiments war das Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 94 zuständig.

Regimentskommandeure:

Oberst Franz Seuffert 12. Oktober 1937 - 30. Juni 1940

Oberst Wilhelm Wegener 1. Juli 1940 - 31. Mai 1942

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:45 pm**

ORIGINAL: ElchDivision

Infanterie-Regiment 94

I think a link to the Wehrmachtslexikon would have been sufficient. [8|][;)]

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:50 pm**

I never post. I am a habitual lurker – but after reading through this thread, I find myself compelled to add my 2 cents (or nonsense rather).
First off, I need to qualify my statement by saying that I will not be purchasing this game – at any price, simply because it is not my kind of game. Now, War in the East, I will be willing to pay $80+ due to the fact that it has been my dream game ever since I spent 300+ hours playing War in Russia on my Atari 800 decades ago (if only I had spent those hours on my high school homework instead of pushing units across Russia…sigh).
One thing everyone should know is that our hobby (computer based wargaming) is a very, very niche market and it is not getting bigger. The PC gaming market in general is shrinking fast – soon to be a niche market itself. So, we will soon be a very, very niche market within a niche market – nano-niche if you will (hah, I crack myself up). We cannot expect more wargame developers to start supporting our hobby, realistically we are stuck with what we have for the most part. We can all count on one hand the good wargame developers we have left (Panther being one of them). Just imagine if this economic tsunami drags down just a couple – say, Panther, AGEOD, and 2by3. Where would our hobby be? Virtually sunk, that’s where. And if any of us think that this pricing structure is in the least bit a case of greedy people wanting to line their pockets, well that is just crazy talk. Panther and Matrix know the market, they know what past and present sales figures look like and they want to survive. They will never get rich, they just want to survive and keep supporting our hobby. If they are pricing this title higher than others, I fully trust that they are doing so because they have to – I have no doubt. They know more than we do as far as the behind the scenes economics of wargame publishing and distribution goes. It serves little purpose to tell them that if they lower the price they will sell more units. They have looked at ALL the angles and the current price tag is what they have decided it will take to continue publishing titles to support our hobby

Things are tight financially for many of us so we all have to carefully consider how and where we spend out limited funds – but seriously, if your situation is such that a $20.00 price increase is enough to send you over the edge like many posters here are doing – perhaps you should not be spending even $50 or $40 on a game. Think about it.

Sorry for all the blah blah blah. Back to lurking I go.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 4:51 pm**

Unfortunately, higher price points do not generate more revenue. Nor does the justification of higher price points for features few people will ever use (the editor) drive sales.

What would generate more revenue would be discounted copies excluding the editor, but capable of using content generated by it. At this price it does two things: first, it alienates existing fans from becoming continuing customers; secondly, it does not generate word of mouth sales from current or potential fans. Economically speaking, this is a disastrous.

Every single associated topic will have "but... it costs $80-$90"- even if it's the greatest thing someone has played. Imagine the buzz and sales over a $35 ($50 with editor) premium wargame! People suddenly become dedicated fans, they tell people about it (whether those people care or not), and generate sales through sheer enthusiasm. The best part? It only costs $35! The price suddenly turns from boon to blessing. It would actually expand the market instead of narrowing it further.

If we didn't care, we would just shrug this off and move on. The fact that the overwhelming response is negative should show there is a great amount of concern over this price. If I was the publisher for this game, I would have the balls to step forward and say, "No, we aren't charging that much, because you'll ruin sales. We're going to do this instead."

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 5:16 pm**

ORIGINAL: GoodGuy

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

I would like to read a review about this game,

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/aah ... eview.html

http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/airborne-as ... 959p1.html

Average rating (of mainstream media) summarized at metacritic:

Highway to the Reich

Conquest of the Aegean

....but can't find one.

You do know how to use Google, though, do you? There are many other reviews, I recommend to check out www.wargamer.com .

You can find a review of Conquest of the Aegean at wargamer.com:

http://www.wargamer.com/article/2318/Co ... the-Aegean

And at Armchairgeneral:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/review-a ... gean.htm/1

I never said this game carries major deficiencies, I said they claim to have the best AI .....

They don't claim it, I can't remember Panther's wording (marketing-wise) on that one, but what I can tell you is that the CUSTOMERS use to say that, including me (I own HTTR and COTA). Tim Stone (who is being nicknamed "Hexmaster" by some people [:D]) stated that he never got to play against such a flexible, capable AI until the point when he played COTA's AI for his review in 2006 (was it for www.rockpapershotgun.com?), which says a lot.

Try the demo, and see for yourself. It then comes down to personal taste (and maybe price tag) for the decision to buy it or not, but the AI won't cause any disappointment, rest assured.

I ment a review for this game, but thanks for the link. Ha Ha, I did use google but found nothing for this game. But thank you I read them, and I must say now I do have an intrest. I do have a qeustion tho, is the demo to coa, the same as this game?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 5:22 pm**

ORIGINAL: ElchDivision

ORIGINAL: axisandallies

ORIGINAL: ElchDivision

Not to forget the battles in the Harz Mountains in 1945. Would be nice if I could play around with Sturmbatallion AOK 11 in which my grandfather served. ooooooooh the possibilities !!!!
Hmmm...My grandfather was in the 32nd Infantry Division, 94th Infantry regiment , Company D. 17 in 1939 and 27 when the Russians let him go. Off subject I know, but what division was he in?

Infanterie-Regiment 94

Feldpostnummern ab der Mobilmachung: Die Einheiten wurden als Teile vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 in der Feldpostübersicht eingetragen. Anfang 1940 wurden die einzelnen Kompanien gestrichen und diese ab Mitte 1940 direkt beim jeweiligen Stab eingetragen. 1941 wurde die Kolonne zur 8. leichte Fahrkolonne der Infanterie-Divisions-Kolonne 32 umbenannt. 1942/43 wurde der Eintrag vom III. Bataillon gestrichen. Alle anderen Einheiten wurden am 3. Februar 1944 zu Teilen vom Grenadier-Regiment 94 umbenannt.

Einheit Feldpostnummer Nummer ab Mitte 1940
Regimentsstab 25047 25047
Stab I. Bataillon 04003 04003 A
1. Kompanie 24276 04003 B
2. Kompanie 04391 04003 C
3. Kompanie 04633 04003 D
4. Kompanie 04393 04003 E
Stab II. Bataillon 24987 24987 A
5. Kompanie 27775 24987 B
6. Kompanie 14604 24987 C
7. Kompanie 12732 24987 D
8. Kompanie 24869 24987 E
Stab III. Bataillon 24870 24870 A gestr. 42/43
9. Kompanie 12795 24870 B gestr. 42/43
10. Kompanie 12981 24870 C gestr. 42/43
11. Kompanie 12971 24870 D gestr. 42/43
12. Kompanie 28444 24870 E gestr. 42/43
13. Kompanie 05337 05337
14. Kompanie 24986 24986
Kolonne 25074 25074 bis 1941
Mit freundlicher Genehmigung von: Kannapin, Norbert: Die deutsche Feldpostübersicht (3 Bd.), vollständiges Verzeichnis der Feldpostnummern, Biblio-Verlag (1980), ISBN-10: 3764811838

Das Infanterie-Regiment 94 wurde am 6. Oktober 1936 vorerst ohne Regimentsstab im Wehrkreis II aufgestellt. Das I. Bataillon vom Regiment wurde durch das I. Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 4 in Neustettin, im Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Das II. Bataillon vom Regiment wurde durch das IV. Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 25 in Köslin, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Ebenfalls Anfang Oktober 1936 wurde durch die Umbenennung vom Ergänzungs-Bataillon 11 ein Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 in Schlawe, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, aufgestellt. Die Bataillon vom Regiment unterstanden den Infanterie-Regimentern 4 und 96 der 32. Infanterie-Division. Am 12. Oktober 1937 konnten dann die bereits bestehenden Teile zum neu gebildeten Regimentsstab in Köslin, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, treten. Die 13. und 14. Kompanie wurden gleichzeitig ebenfalls in Köslin aufgestellt. Das Regiment wurde jetzt direkt der 32. Infanterie-Division unterstellt. Durch Abgaben aus allen Einheiten der Division wurde im Herbst 1938 der Regiments-Reiterzug aufgestellt. Das Ergänzungs-Bataillon wurde im Herbst 1938 zum I. Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 umbenannt. Im Frühjahr 1939 wurde durch Abgaben vom Regiment und der Infanterie-Regimenter 4 und 89 ebenfalls in Neustettin noch ein II. Ergänzungs-Bataillon vom Infanterie-Regiment 94 aufgestellt. Während sich die 32. Infanterie-Division im August 1939 an der Grenze auf den Beginn des 2. Weltkrieges im Spätsommer einstellte wurde in Köslin auch das noch fehlende III. Bataillon vom Regiment aufgestellt. Am 1. September 1939 um 4:45 Uhr überschritt das Infanterie-Regiment 94 mit unterstellter I. Abteilung vom Artillerie-Regiment 32 die Grenze zu Polen. Ende Januar 1940 musste das II. Bataillon vom Regiment zur Neuaufstellung vom Infanterie-Regiment 509 der 292. Infanterie-Division auf den Truppenübungsplatz Groß Born, ebenfalls Wehrkreis II, abgegeben werden. Es musste daraufhin aus Mitteln der Division wieder ersetzt werden. Anfang Oktober 1940 mussten das III. Bataillon vom Regiment mit der 13. Kompanie vom Regiment zur Neuaufstellung des II. Bataillons vom Infanterie-Regiment 411 der 122. Infanterie-Division auf den Truppenübungsplatz Groß Born abgegeben werden. Die Einheiten wurden aus den bestehenden Bataillonen, sowie die 13. durch Abgabe je einen Drittels der 13. Kompanien der anderen beiden Regimenter ersetzt. Das Personalfehl wurde mit neu zugewiesenem Ersatz aufgefüllt. Am 15. Oktober 1942 erfolgt die Umbenennung vom Regiment zum Grenadier-Regiment 94.

Für die Ersatzgestellung des Regiments war das Infanterie-Ersatz-Bataillon 94 zuständig.

Regimentskommandeure:

Oberst Franz Seuffert 12. Oktober 1937 - 30. Juni 1940

Oberst Wilhelm Wegener 1. Juli 1940 - 31. Mai 1942

Danke!

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 5:40 pm**

ORIGINAL: SuluSea
I'll never buy anything from Panther Games being upfront and decent with customers is my most important criteria, raising prices on a 4 year old game is unacceptable.

I suspect that you know that this statement is untrue.
Shame that you feel it nessesary, from the home of capitalism, to suggest that a man is not entitled to be paid for his labour. And by golly the man has laboured. If you think the game is four years old, why has it taken 4 years for this to come out?
I expect no answer, because there is not one that can have any credence.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 5:55 pm**

Things are tight financially for many of us so we all have to carefully consider how and where we spend out limited funds – but seriously, if your situation is such that a $20.00 price increase is enough to send you over the edge like many posters here are doing – perhaps you should not be spending even $50 or $40 on a game. Think about it.

that's a good point. I'll just say that in 2010 the average price of the games I've bought so far is less than 10 €. I'm not kidding [:)] . I'm willing to do an exception from time to time, but within certain limits. 75 € for a single game exceeds these limits, simple as that.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2010 6:09 pm**

I only want to contribute with a commercial consideration. Look at these numbers:

Uncommon valor : ------------- 6037 topics 47361 posts
War in the Pacific -------------- 23302 topics 336006 posts
Witp-AE ------------------ ------ 9243 topics 171381 posts
Steel panthers WAW ------------ 15277 topics 120402 posts
Conquest of the Aegean ------------ 733 topics 10043 posts
Highway to the reich ------------ 1258 topics 7418 posts

These are statistics from matrix forum. Really you think that pricing Battle from the bulge like WITP-AE has been a good commercial move?
Don’t you think that before the price you could have thought mainly on how to expand the customer base?
If you want many customers you need to tempt them, not frighten them. Then, when the product has success
you need no more marketing. Customers do it for you.
Think at the apple store applications selling policy. Many developers when release a new product
and want to launch it apply a special price policy for a limited time before to apply the whole cost.
So said, the discussion on the price, if it is too high or no, if 20$ more or less can make the difference
don’t hit the target. I think that simply every product has an its own “customer trigger price”
and it seems you inadvertently released it.

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