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RE: TOAW 3.5 approaches ?

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 11:48 am
by r6kunz
ORIGINAL: BigDuke66

@Telumar
What real issues do we have?
I know only about the "flak isn't working in none-flak units" bug and I really would like to see a hotfix for it so we can continue playing & scenario design.

I wonder if this is really the show-stopper that some people seem to think? I ran a VERY simplified test:
I used Brett Turner's Two Weeks in Normandy 300. I set up three German Infantry Battalions, open terrain, not dug in. The were 1) a TOE Inf Bn, 2) a TOE Inf Bn combined with a FLAK Bn in a single counter, and 3) a TOE Inf Bn stacked with the FLAK Bn. Each of these were bombarded with 200 planes of the RAF TAC air, one round.

The results, averaged for ten runs each: German loses 1) 6.8% 2) 8.3% 3)9.1%. RAF losses 1)0% 2)0% and 3)2.3% aircraft.
Note that the 2) and 3) German losses reflect losses of taken by FLAK weapons.

I have not seen any statistics on the number of RAF TAC aircraft lost to FLAK, although my impression the FLAK had a greater effect of reducing the ground support effect (forcing higher altitude, short bomb runs).

So if this test is representative of massive TAC air, I do not consider this a show-stopper. And apparently even if the "Good 3.5 Fairy" were to bestow on us the AA effect of organic AA equipment, it would not change much in the final analysis. Perhaps that the air units could have a lower proficiency rating to reflect the degrading but not destructive effect of AA

Incidentally, how long has this been a bug? I recall seeing it dates back to Century of Warfare, but I am not sure where I saw that...

Looking forward to the experiences of others. Can we take this off of the "Broken" list and put it on the "Like to Have" list?


RE: TOAW 3.5 approaches ?

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:51 pm
by Shazman
It is broken. How can you say it isn't when, in fact, it is? I can say that from now on the sky will look green but that doesn't make it look green.
 
The most irritating thing is that Ralph seems to have no interested in going forward with TOAW. He has done an excellent job improving the AI. It's much, much better than it was. All of the work he has done with 3.4 has been good. The things that are not working properly has nothing to do with his skills, rather with long standing problems that didn't really reveal themselves until the game was tweaked. Unfortunate but there it is.
 
Maybe we could all send ten dollar bills to Matrix and have them forward those to Ralph as ransom for 3.5 [:D]

RE: TOAW 3.5 approaches ?

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:33 pm
by Oberst_Klink
ORIGINAL: Shazman

It is broken. How can you say it isn't when, in fact, it is? I can say that from now on the sky will look green but that doesn't make it look green.

The most irritating thing is that Ralph seems to have no interested in going forward with TOAW. He has done an excellent job improving the AI. It's much, much better than it was. All of the work he has done with 3.4 has been good. The things that are not working properly has nothing to do with his skills, rather with long standing problems that didn't really reveal themselves until the game was tweaked. Unfortunate but there it is.

Maybe we could all send ten dollar bills to Matrix and have them forward those to Ralph as ransom for 3.5 [:D]
Or crowd-funding to get the rights for the code...

Klink, Oberst

RE: TOAW 3.5 approaches ?

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:57 pm
by golden delicious
ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

Or crowd-funding to get the rights for the code...

Too small a crowd and too big a fund.

RE: TOAW 3.5 approaches ?

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:54 pm
by ncc1701e
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Attached is a zip file containing the wishlist document that Jarek Flis and I have been developing for months. It was developed by collecting the wishes expressed here, there, and everywhere. We've tried to be comprehensive, but, in spite of the label, that is unattainable. We'll try to continue to maintain it as more issues are raised. Hopefully, this will reduce the repetitive posting of the same wishes over and over.

...

Note that items in red are new. Items in blue have been implemented.

Is this unofficial list still valid? Incoming 3.5 patch will contain blue items. Red and black items are perhaps for future.

Thanks