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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:55 am
by balto
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wee warning from some recent bitter experience, when France gives up make sure you have plenty of UK MPPs and all your ground units in ports ready to run. Its not just you'll lose them but also the Germans seem to get some massive bonus for destroying anything left.
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Not sure I understand what you are saying? I get that it costs MPP to transport units, but I do not understand the rest of that. Thanks
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:31 am
by Aurelian
Once France falls, they'll won't move very far. (One hex IIRC). If they're not at a port, they're not going to get out. I wonder if it's better not to land the BEF at all.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:45 am
by n0kn0k
ORIGINAL: Aurelian
Once France falls, they'll won't move very far. (One hex IIRC). If they're not at a port, they're not going to get out. I wonder if it's better not to land the BEF at all.
Check my AAR for the awnser to that. Yes to landing at least 5 units for morale purpose. Keep them near a port. As soon as the Germans come near Paris bail out. If the French surrender you are in hostile territory.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:12 am
by warspite1
As feared... the BEF has been totally destroyed.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:46 am
by Josh
ORIGINAL: warspite1
As feared... the BEF has been totally destroyed.
Wow. That's a *massive* setback.
Nothing you can't handle I trust. [;)]
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:24 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
The British were enveloped from the northwest when the Germans took Le Havre. Caught in the open the remaining understrength divisions of the I and II Corps were destroyed in detail by the German armour.
Meanwhile the German XXI Corps spearheaded the push toward Bourges in a bid to turn the breach in the French lines into a chasm that would split the French in two.
They say every picture paints a thousand words. Well the following picture paints one word....and its not a very nice word either boys and girls! [X(]
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:39 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
The Germans get a clean sweep! With the loss of Huntiger's 2nd Army, and the remnants of the BEF, the entirety of Billotte's First Army Group ceased to exist.
The butchers bill....
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:48 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
Sadly the Italian Navy has not taken the bait and are no doubt waiting for better opportunities. Either that or Supermarina refused to let Campioni out to play. Either way its very frustrating - especially as the Italian army seems very overpowered compared to historically....
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:11 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
At sea the German wolf packs are dealing a devastating blow the Allied destroyer force too.
Anyway. That's enough of the doom and gloom. Time for the good news.....
......
...well that's a bit of a blow. There is no good news.....[:(]
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:30 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
There was one brief glimmer of hope. General Wavell in Cairo got a report that his Western Desert Force, advancing west, had taken a key town.
Joy however turned to red-faced incandescent rage when the town that was gloriously captured was found in fact to be the Egyptian town of Mersa Matruh......
I say, does anyone know where Libya is? Whoops!
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:31 pm
by Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
28th July 1940
At sea the German wolf packs are dealing a devastating blow the Allied destroyer force too.
Anyway. That's enough of the doom and gloom. Time for the good news.....
......
...well that's a bit of a blow. There is no good news.....[:(]
I will put it to you that there is good news that France have held until now. I will also put to you that you have caused the German forces losses it will cost to replace. And your submarines has mauled the German ore import. And you forced Germany to fight in Norway.
And Finland has been given aid.
I say that the Western Allies have done lots of things and most of it good. That is good news in my humble opinion.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:12 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
28th July 1940
At sea the German wolf packs are dealing a devastating blow the Allied destroyer force too.
Anyway. That's enough of the doom and gloom. Time for the good news.....
......
...well that's a bit of a blow. There is no good news.....[:(]
I will put it to you that there is good news that France have held until now. I will also put to you that you have caused the German forces losses it will cost to replace. And your submarines has mauled the German ore import. And you forced Germany to fight in Norway.
And Finland has been given aid.
I say that the Western Allies have done lots of things and most of it good. That is good news in my humble opinion.
warspite1
Thank you for the encouragement[:)]. You are hired as my chief morale officer.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:13 am
by operating
Warspite,
A couple of questions: Can land units be disbanded and or can fleets be scrapped? When using naval bombardments on MMP locations is there any effect on MMP? Also what effects are there on ground units from naval bombardments? (ie, morale/cohesion or unit damage)
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:58 am
by n0kn0k
ORIGINAL: operating
Warspite,
A couple of questions: Can land units be disbanded and or can fleets be scrapped? When using naval bombardments on MMP locations is there any effect on MMP? Also what effects are there on ground units from naval bombardments? (ie, morale/cohesion or unit damage)
Landunits = yes
Navy = no (otherwise I'd sell the whole French navy each game)
For the others i'd have to test first.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:15 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: n0kn0k
ORIGINAL: operating
Warspite,
A couple of questions: Can land units be disbanded and or can fleets be scrapped? When using naval bombardments on MMP locations is there any effect on MMP? Also what effects are there on ground units from naval bombardments? (ie, morale/cohesion or unit damage)
Landunits = yes
Navy = no (otherwise I'd sell the whole French navy each game)
For the others i'd have to test first.
warspite1
What he said [;)]
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:18 pm
by warspite1
28th July 1940
France
The French decide to die with honour and so the call goes out - take as many Germans with you as possible!
Attacks are launched by De Gaulle against 2nd Army south east of Rouen with some success, but attacks against I Frontier Corps and II Corps are little more than spirited sideshows.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:34 pm
by warspite1
28 July 1940
United Kingdom
Meanwhile shore bombardment against the Italian Garrison is entirely effective.... for the Italians [&:]. The RN forces take some losses against this super-human Italian Garrison....
The Western Desert Force continues its trek west and comes across the Italian 10th Army's I Corps that are manning the Libyan/Egyptian border. Upon hearing the news, the Mediterranean Fleet, race east with Ark Royal and Eagle's aircraft on CAP.
The British start to rebuild their fighters and a destroyer flotilla. A Garrison is built for Egypt and two Corps are built to begin replacing those lost in France.
In the northwest approaches the deadly game of cat-and-mouse continues - the 4th Destroyer Flotilla is not long for this world me thinks....
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:50 pm
by marklv
ORIGINAL: warspite1
28th July 1940
Sadly the Italian Navy has not taken the bait and are no doubt waiting for better opportunities. Either that or Supermarina refused to let Campioni out to play. Either way its very frustrating - especially as the Italian army seems very overpowered compared to historically....
I believe the Italians deployed 30-32 divisions or so on the front with France in 1940, so it's not inaccurate. Of course an Italian division had roughly the firepower of a French or British brigade, but they clearly outnumbered the French. What happened historically is that the French Alpine divisions fortified themselves very effectively on the mountains and blocked any Italian advances there, while on the coast the Italians did not advance past Menton for reasons best known to themselves. Had they pushed hard on the coastal road they could well have taken Nice, but Mussolini wanted to let the Germans do the hard work. On the other hand the Italian air force was quite effective in harassing the French forces - and also civilian refugees fleeing the German advance from the north.
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:24 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: marklv
ORIGINAL: warspite1
28th July 1940
Sadly the Italian Navy has not taken the bait and are no doubt waiting for better opportunities. Either that or Supermarina refused to let Campioni out to play. Either way its very frustrating - especially as the Italian army seems very overpowered compared to historically....
I believe the Italians deployed 30-32 divisions or so on the front with France in 1940, so it's not inaccurate. Of course an Italian division had roughly the firepower of a French or British brigade, but they clearly outnumbered the French. What happened historically is that the French Alpine divisions fortified themselves very effectively on the mountains and blocked any Italian advances there, while on the coast the Italians did not advance past Menton for reasons best known to themselves. Had they pushed hard on the coastal road they could well have taken Nice, but Mussolini wanted to let the Germans do the hard work. On the other hand the Italian air force was quite effective in harassing the French forces - and also civilian refugees fleeing the German advance from the north.
warspite1
Well this front is far from my specialist subject, but suffice to say it was only a throw away comment. Regardless of whether the Italians are or are not over rated here (and my guess is they probably are) it doesn't affect my liking for the game so far - but is just the exasperated cry of a war gamer who is having his bottom handed to him [;)]
RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:37 pm
by warspite1
28 July 1940
The US and Soviets spend nothing.
So that wraps up the Allied turn, let's see what happens next.....