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RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:33 am
by Twigster
ORIGINAL: tyronec
Grognard and I have had a misunderstanding, I have been playing to L/M/V/R taken in '41 is an instant victory, he has not.
Have agreed to continue without this clause, the write up for T12 below is as written at the time. Would have done a few things differently; not assaulting Leningrad until it was out of supply among others.
T12
Leningrad front. Leningrad is cut off from supplies and we take two more hexes north of the river.
Moscow front. Moscow is cut off, we clear one of the three stacks.
Voronezh front. Get within one hex of the city, two infantry armies and five Pz. Corps on the way.
Rostov front. The swamp hex next to Rostov has been abandoned and can get a three-hex attack, so will forget about crossing the Don. Four infantry corps and a Pz. Corps ready to assault next turn.
Air war. Luftwaffe are set up to stop supplies coming in to Moscow and Stalino.
219 VPs.
Not sure how "Sudden Death" can be misconstrued. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:39 am
by tyronec
Not sure how "Sudden Death" can be misconstrued. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
It wasn't, the difference was at to whether we were playing to a victory condition about L/M/V/R or not.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:29 am
by EwaldvonKleist
You can drop production to save supply but it cost you tons of political point.
The same can be done without AP cost by evacuating not needed factories around, its a more precise form of production cutting but it needs more planning ahead.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:35 am
by Twigster
ORIGINAL: tyronec
Not sure how "Sudden Death" can be misconstrued. Be interesting to see how this plays out.
It wasn't, the difference was at to whether we were playing to a victory condition about L/M/V/R or not.
"We are playing all default rules; no bonuses, no para drops, restricted amphib, server game, Sudden Death. "
Sorry... still not sure as to how there could have been any confusion concerning your game parameters. Especially since at no point were any questions raised.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:46 pm
by tyronec
Sorry... still not sure as to how there could have been any confusion concerning your game parameters. Especially since at no point were any questions raised.
It comes from how the game was agreed between us, before the AAR was started.
It doesn't matter now, we are playing on, the player effected is me and I'm quite happy to live with the consequences.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:02 pm
by chaos45
His manpower losses are massive just from ground lost so quick, be interesting to see as it goes forward, but I think he will run out of men come 1942...as eventually he has to fight....and if your smart since you have taken so much ground just step back 1-2 hexes most of the winter and his winter offensive will be a waste.
RE: T12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:03 pm
by Twigster
ORIGINAL: tyronec
Sorry... still not sure as to how there could have been any confusion concerning your game parameters. Especially since at no point were any questions raised.
It comes from how the game was agreed between us, before the AAR was started.
It doesn't matter now, we are playing on, the player effected is me and I'm quite happy to live with the consequences.
Fair enough. My interest in it at all is simply that I am trying to make sense of what I am seeing. I am quite certain that you are happy with the consequences as you are getting an easy win.
Soviet GT 12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:37 pm
by Grognard1812
Soviet GT 12
Recon missions showed that the Luftwaffe had placed a number of airbases 2 to 3 hexes west of Moscow with about 200
Messerschmitt fighters, and another 100 fighters about 10 hexes further west. It appears that the Luftwaffe
was attempting to intercept any attempts by the Soviet air force to airdrop supplies to the isolated units in
Moscow. The Soviet air force had about 1300 fighter and fighter bombers in airbases just east of Moscow. In an
attempt to overwhelm with numbers the intercepting German fighters, over 20 air transport of supply missions
were conducted by the Soviet air force using about 10 - 20 bombers in each mission (only selecting one bomber
air group) with 50 to 100 fighters / fighter bombers escorting. Few bombers were lost and the units in Moscow
were air dropped supplies removing them out of an isolated status.
An airfield bombing mission was then attempted against the Luftwaffe airbases just west of Moscow, but even
with fighter escort half the Soviet bombers were lost.
RE: Soviet GT 12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:51 pm
by HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Grognard1812
Soviet GT 12
Recon missions showed that the Luftwaffe had placed a number of airbases 2 to 3 hexes west of Moscow with about 200
Messerschmitt fighters, and another 100 fighters about 10 hexes further west. It appears that the Luftwaffe
was attempting to intercept any attempts by the Soviet air force to airdrop supplies to the isolated units in
Moscow. The Soviet air force had about 1300 fighter and fighter bombers in airbases just east of Moscow. In an
attempt to overwhelm with numbers the intercepting German fighters, over 20 air transport of supply missions
were conducted by the Soviet air force using about 10 - 20 bombers in each mission (only selecting one bomber
air group) with 50 to 100 fighters / fighter bombers escorting. Few bombers were lost and the units in Moscow
were air dropped supplies removing them out of an isolated status.
An airfield bombing mission was then attempted against the Luftwaffe airbases just west of Moscow, but even
with fighter escort half the Soviet bombers were lost.
Hmmmmmm, interesting note that you have one blue counter on the whole map, the tank Division. So you have all of your units either directly connected to Stavka or attached to HQs attacked to Stavka? Or you just turned off all color and made everyone white? Basically I'm curious what you have going on here
Soviet GT 12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:52 pm
by Grognard1812
A strong defensive position has been established east of the river Don at Voronezh. Was able to isolate 2 panzer
divisions with a Soviet cavalry and tank division who also flipped the hexes from Axis control to Soviet control,
hopefully delaying the assault on Voronezh by a turn. Also a cavalry division moved around the elite air landing
division also isolating it. Strong air units were transferred into the area to provide air support, the airbases
and army HQs in the area are all attached to the same front.
RE: Soviet GT 12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:59 pm
by Grognard1812
A defensive line south and east of the lower Don river was established near the city of Rostov. Three high morale
units were placed in Rostov, and a large number of air units were transferred to the area.
Should be an interesting Game turn 13.
RE: Soviet GT 12
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:22 pm
by Grognard1812
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
ORIGINAL: Grognard1812
Soviet GT 12
Recon missions showed that the Luftwaffe had placed a number of airbases 2 to 3 hexes west of Moscow with about 200
Messerschmitt fighters, and another 100 fighters about 10 hexes further west. It appears that the Luftwaffe
was attempting to intercept any attempts by the Soviet air force to airdrop supplies to the isolated units in
Moscow. The Soviet air force had about 1300 fighter and fighter bombers in airbases just east of Moscow. In an
attempt to overwhelm with numbers the intercepting German fighters, over 20 air transport of supply missions
were conducted by the Soviet air force using about 10 - 20 bombers in each mission (only selecting one bomber
air group) with 50 to 100 fighters / fighter bombers escorting. Few bombers were lost and the units in Moscow
were air dropped supplies removing them out of an isolated status.
An airfield bombing mission was then attempted against the Luftwaffe airbases just west of Moscow, but even
with fighter escort half the Soviet bombers were lost.
Hmmmmmm, interesting note that you have one blue counter on the whole map, the tank Division. So you have all of your units either directly connected to Stavka or attached to HQs attacked to Stavka? Or you just turned off all color and made everyone white? Basically I'm curious what you have going on here
The Air HQ for all the Soviet airbases east of Moscow is the Long Range Air Command which is attached to STAVKA,
and almost all the Army HQs in the area are also attached to STAVKA. Not always but sometimes the air units
provide ground support to the ground units. Defensively since I have the fighter interception level at 300%
they usually intercept any Luftwaffe air missions in the area.
T13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:15 pm
by tyronec
T13
The soviets have done multiple supply drops to Moscow and Stalino, costing 559 planes for 22 fighters. For some reason my fighters around Stalino did little but the Moscow Luftwaffe were busy. His air force is split three ways between Moscow, Voronezh and Rostov.
I need to make new plans for the remains of the '41 campaign.
Objective must be to take as many cities as possible before the blizzard.
There is mud predicted for South and Central.
AGN. There is not much up here, only Cherepovets within striking distance and there is a lot of swamp. Will maintain some pressure with the Finns.
AGC. Perhaps 3 cities available North/East of Moscow. Will continue to assault Moscow.
AGS. There are 4 cities around the Voronezh area, and most of my armour is here.
Will revert to crossing the Don above Rostov, may have mud here next turn so nothing will happen then. I should be able to take Rostov in the time available.
RE: T13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 12:15 pm
by tyronec
City assaults progress, Stalino is taken and only one hex left each at Moscow and Leningrad.
31 units destroyed. VPs are at 231.
We move all the Pioneers out of the Leningrad assault force and the LBs out of AGS where mud is expected next turn.
About half my armour is collecting around Moscow ready to attack East and do three HQBs (had only done two to date for the whole game). The rest is near Voronezh and Stalino.
The attacks on Moscow, Stalino and the Don river (which I couldn't follow up for shortage of movement points).
Soviet GT 13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:44 pm
by Grognard1812
Soviet GT 13
The defensive line in the Voronezh area at the end of GT 13. Awaiting the inevitable Axis assault to try to
take Voronezh - hopefully the city will hold out 4 more turns until the mud season arrives.
RE: Soviet GT 13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:50 pm
by Grognard1812
The defensive line south and east of the Lower River Don near Rostov. Again hopefully Rostov can remain in
Soviet control for another 4 turns until the mud season arrives.
GT 13 Air War
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:07 pm
by Grognard1812
Was able to re-supply the isolated units in Moscow by sending only one level bomber air group unit at
a time, each mission escorted by about 50 or more fighters and fighter bombers, bypassing the Luftwaffe's attempt
to air blockade Moscow. Relatively light air losses during Soviet game turn 13.
Soviet GT 13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:16 pm
by Grognard1812
Hopefully the weather forecast is accurate and there will be an early Rasputitsa - mud season this year, delaying
the Axis attack on Rostov by a turn.
RE: Soviet GT 13
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:51 pm
by SparkleyTits
That mud could be a nice help at Rostov
My prayers are with you for voronezh
RE: Soviet GT 13
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:21 am
by topeverest
This looks very desperate from a Russian perspective in 42.