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Well for some more turtledoving Civil war history rewrite.

I did try to come up with other versions of how the South won the first American Civil war and how it ended in in a second civil war.

I Did the "Cliburne option" and a "McClellan Political win" to explain how how the First Civil war ended.

Basically in the Cliburne option they accept what Confederate General Pat Cliburne urged. A freeing of all blacks on the condition they fight for the South. HOWEVER the twwist is that McClellan wins the 1864 elections and offers peace to the South and independance on the conditon that all slaves are free. Cliburne talks Jefferson Davis into this option and the war ends with the North wiithdrawing its troops.

So Slavery ends and most blacks move north forming the WWII version of the Black divisons (including the fame Buffalo Division and the "MUSKEEGEE" airmen.

In subsequent years the US Cavalry begins the Indian wars With Custer killed because the South is supplying the indians but then makes a deal allowing all remaining Indian tribes to withdrawl into the South And they create famous divisions like the 2nd "Indian Head division"

Also the South Backs Maximillians move into Mexico and the Juaristas end up going guerilla with a Southern Expitidionary force helping the Mexicans fight against the insurgency for a long time. France keeps selling good to the South.

Finally in the 1940s things come to a head when its reveiled that the North is helping bandit "Pancho Villa" raid into the South from Mexico and the war starts and France backs the South with war goods and Britian backs the North with war goods from Canada.

The whole thing is meant to explore what ifs and meant to be fun. Also as I stated elsewhere wanted to consider different tactical doctrines and see how non equal sides can fight with different strategic goals.

Hope to see this come to fruition one day

Warsaw Pact vs. Nato please

I think in the 80's, GDW released 4 boardgames, Third World War, Arctic Front, Southern Front and Persian Gulf that I believe could be played individually, or combined into 1 monster-sized game.

Computerizing those order of battles into scenarios for the new TOAW would be great.

In fact, I do recall playing a computerized monster game of that magnitude, but it was probably about 10 years ago, so I can't even confirm the game platform was even TOAW! I believe the scenario wasn't included with the game, but had to be downloaded from a fan site.

Any help or info would be much appreciated.
Maybe the scenario (or just use the data files to save time and effort) could be updated to this new TOAW.

I'm sorry I don't have more details, but I've seen this site and people who visit Matrix, and this seems the site to ask for details on old-hard-to-find-games.

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: konk

Warsaw Pact vs. Nato please

I think in the 80's, GDW released 4 boardgames, Third World War, Arctic Front, Southern Front and Persian Gulf that I believe could be played individually, or combined into 1 monster-sized game.

Computerizing those order of battles into scenarios for the new TOAW would be great.

Someone (Trey Marshal?) Has done just that for ACOW.

you may want to know that both Trey Marshal and I have made scenarios based on the GDW series you refer to. I think Trey's scenarios were a more faithful reproduction of the GDW games. My 1988 Global Conflict scenario is based on my own modifications I had made over the years to the GDW WWIII series and adapted them to TOAW.

Fantastic! Knowing that information alone will result in me buying the game.
I liked reading all the scenario suggestions people have listed, but give me a good ole Nato vs WP battle anyday.

Are there options for Chemical release for the WP?

Will there be one grand scenario to be able to play all Theaters linked together/simultaneously on one super-sized map?

The Soviet Strategic Reserve
With the GDW games, I always loved the option of committing the Soviet Strategic Reserve to the theater of my choice.

Maybe there could be 2 options for each scenario, one where the USSR didn't commit the reserve to that Theater, and one where they did, OR just make it an option the USSR can exercise or not, possibly at any time as well.

I would imagine it would entail a large reserve force entering the side of the Soviets later in the scenario, but there would be a hefty Victory Point penalty.

If there was an option for WHEN the SSR would be committed, maybe there would be a sliding scale for VP's. ie, the sooner it was comitted, the heftier the VP penalty?


Just some input, food for thought, etc.
Thanks Matrix. It's great you're open to this feedback during the development stage.

Not to change the subject, but so many folks get p*ssed when there are delays. I just guess they sometimes don't realize they should be estatic to be able to be in the loop of information at all.

THANKS to ALL and MATRIX! You go Girl!
konk


Any chance of re-releasing Red Lightning? Just fighting the Air battle alone was great fun. If I recall properly, I think it even affected chances of airdrops (ie, if Nato had massive air superiority, and the Soviets attempt a drop of an Airborne Divison deep into Nato territory, the forces could be butchered en route!)

Will there be Helo forces in the re-write of TOAW? Attrition to the Helo forces due to the Simulated Air war?

Will there be Helo forces in the re-write of TOAW? Attrition to the Helo forces due to the Simulated Air war?

What do you mean? There are already helicopters in TOAW:COW. They take losses if they attempt to move or fight against air superiority.

ORIGINAL: konk

Fantastic! Knowing that information alone will result in me buying the game.
I liked reading all the scenario suggestions people have listed, but give me a good ole Nato vs WP battle anyday.

I will try to answer your questions but I would encourage you to take a look at the briefing and the scenario for more details. It is available on WarfareHQ and the Strategist websites.

Are there options for Chemical release for the WP?

Yes for both NATO and WP

Will there be one grand scenario to be able to play all Theaters linked together/simultaneously on one super-sized map?

My scenario uses one huge map that includes all of Europe-Middle East and parts of Afghanistan and a separated map that includes the Korean Peninsula, Japan and parts of the USSR and China

The Soviet Strategic Reserve
With the GDW games, I always loved the option of committing the Soviet Strategic Reserve to the theater of my choice.

Maybe there could be 2 options for each scenario, one where the USSR didn't commit the reserve to that Theater, and one where they did, OR just make it an option the USSR can exercise or not, possibly at any time as well.

I would imagine it would entail a large reserve force entering the side of the Soviets later in the scenario, but there would be a hefty Victory Point penalty.

If there was an option for WHEN the SSR would be committed, maybe there would be a sliding scale for VP's. ie, the sooner it was comitted, the heftier the VP penalty?

There are options for just about everytyhing (I used all 500 events) and have more than 20-30 options per side that deal with invading countries, troop deployments, etc. Most divisions deploy to their "known" locations but I basically left up to the players how they want the war to start, where they want to send their reinforcements, and how each theater should develop. Please read the briefing.
I will wait to see the Matrix changes and revise the scenario accordingly

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Will there be Helo forces in the re-write of TOAW? Attrition to the Helo forces due to the Simulated Air war?

As already stated there are airmobile, attack, and transport helicopter units in TOAW.
I made a weak attempt to model naval helicopters but does not work very well.