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Finished The Conquering Tide by Ian Toll the other night. It was a very good read like the first book in the trilogy. Now I have to wait for the third book to come out in 2018.

Next up is a trilogy I purchased while reading these two books. It shifts to the European theater.

The Liberation Trilogy by Richard Atkinson.

Volume one: An Army At Dawn

Volume two: The Day of Battle

Volume three: The Guns at Last Light

And the link: https://www.amazon.com/Liberation-Trilo ... on+trilogy

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Finished The Conquering Tide by Ian Toll the other night. It was a very good read like the first book in the trilogy. Now I have to wait for the third book to come out in 2018.

Next up is a trilogy I purchased while reading these two books. It shifts to the European theater.

The Liberation Trilogy by Richard Atkinson.

Volume one: An Army At Dawn

Volume two: The Day of Battle

Volume three: The Guns at Last Light

And the link: https://www.amazon.com/Liberation-Trilo ... on+trilogy

I enjoyed these books myself, particularly the first. It dealt very well with an underserved theater of the war. The others, while well done, were kind of 'been there, done that', IMO. Be interested to hear your take when you're done.

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Indian Removal by Grant Foreman 1932


Well footnoted, lots of first person accounts. Few people know the complete story. The Cherokees deserved their Trail of Tears

I know that this is a very sensitive subject. Pointing out that Indian tribes warred amongst themselves for hundreds of years and deliberately kicked one another off of prime hunting / fishing / farming ground or is fraught with political peril these days. Does the author go into internecine Indian warfare as well as that involving 'white' settlers?

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Indian Removal by Grant Foreman 1932


Well footnoted, lots of first person accounts. Few people know the complete story. The Cherokees deserved their Trail of Tears

I know that this is a very sensitive subject. Pointing out that Indian tribes warred amongst themselves for hundreds of years and deliberately kicked one another off of prime hunting / fishing / farming ground or is fraught with political peril these days. Does the author go into internecine Indian warfare as well as that involving 'white' settlers?

The more sensitive the better... reason to look closer

He just covers the time from the end of 1812 war up to the last removals. By then it was White, Indian, Black vs. Indian,White Black. The Cherokee helped defeat the other tribes during 1812/Creek Wars and Indian Removal started slowly then peaking went into the 1830s. Tribes of Chickasaws, Choctaws, Creeks suffering first.

It shows how Whites, Indians and Blacks were already living side by side, then after 1812 War and Creek Wars the wild unstable times resulting from White immigrants flooding west(Alabama,Mississippi,Tennessee) - land hungry and conflicting with both Indians and white indigenous peoples.
Every white person that could get ANY Indian to mark a piece of paper was laying claim to land. Barrels of whiskey where left near tribal settlements to keeep them constantly drunk.

Some tribes went out west with ease and style. In some tribes the "Chiefs" took the money and went east to a big city while the rest of the tribe went out west in squalor. There was no monolith of happenings. The Creek Chief Red Eagle was full blooded white.


As one person noted : The Creek tribes that are being rounded up contain people of every shade of red, every shade of white, every shade of black.

Another:
I was a Confederate officer and fought the entire Civil War and I never saw human misery like I saw during the Creek removal.

Many of the Indian peace treaty signers were killed by their people once out west.

There is alot of unknown history from this era. A very detailed book, where the author presents tons of data, the majority of it first person, without spin.

Having a Creek ancestor that was married to a white ,and living white, she stayed. Ive studied the history beyond the general knowledge. Its become a cliche for a white to say "I have Indian blood" yet if you have white ancestors that were among the first settlers there's a reason to say it.

I believe most of the whites knew there is no difference in peoples so "Its better then that its us with the control"

Alcohol affected Native Americans a lot more than Europeans due to Europeans drinking it for many many generations whilst Native Americans had no tolerance to it.

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Alcohol affected Native Americans a lot more than Europeans due to Europeans drinking it for many many generations whilst Native Americans had no tolerance to it.

All they had in the Southeast before "1492" was a natural mild honey beer/ale and the Black Drink which was a purging with a non alcoholic buzz. And some other chemical buzzes. They were first rate botanists.

Oh I'm sure they used hallucinogenics and I believe the original tobacco brought back to Europe was also hallucinogenic unlike todays. Just didn't use alcohol which isn't surprising as Alcohol is a male drug where as I'm sure they used female drugs (i.e using female plants)

Right having finished Invasion of England 1940 I should have about a week before We March Against England arrives. Time hopefully to get the second House of Cards book - To Play the King - finished off [:)]

I am currently reading Ship of Ghosts: The Story of the USS Houston, FDR's Legendary Lost Cruiser, and the Epic Saga of Her Survivors by James D. Hornfischer. I recommend this book to anyone interested in the history of World War II in the Pacific theatre.

Mmmmm I left the Pacific to read a couple of books on Sea Lion. I've now finished those and am at a bit of a loss as to what to read next [&:]

I wanted to head back to the Pacific but now I have a taste for 1939/40 ETO.... I think I'll re-read the Sea Lion books again while I wait for the next Friedman book to appear before Christmas.

Just getting into Gettysburg July 1 by David G. Martin. Not to far in but loving all the detail.

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Just getting into Gettysburg July 1 by David G. Martin. Not to far in but loving all the detail.

Does he theorize what Jackson would have done?

I looked ahead and thought I saw a chapter heading concerning that

I have just started "To Hell and Back" from Ian Kershaw. It is incredible how the same mistake is repeated.
Nobody knows how to end a war properly.

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I have just started "To Hell and Back" from Ian Kershaw. It is incredible how the same mistake is repeated.
Nobody knows how to end a war properly.

warspite1

Can you let us know what you think after say a couple of chapters please. Interesting subject but just too worried that its too high level (given the sheer amount that needs to be covered). Anyway, thanks in advance.

I'm still reading Personal Demons by Elliott Kay.

"...We hit the site with a couple of Hellfire missiles from a Predator drone a little over half an hour ago."
Alex snorted. "Wait. Hellfire missiles? You shot a demon cult with weaponized irony?"

I'm having so fun with this [:D]
If that got your attention, I recommend you to start from #1 novel in the series: Good Intentions.

I've moved from Grainger's 'Fall of the Selukid Empire' to Eugene Rogan's 'Fall of the Ottomans'. Do I sense a pattern?

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I've moved from Grainger's 'Fall of the Selukid Empire' to Eugene Rogan's 'Fall of the Ottomans'. Do I sense a pattern?

warspite1

Yes I spot it - your next book will be Harrison's Legends of the Fall?

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I have just started "To Hell and Back" from Ian Kershaw.

It's been a few years since I've read the autobiography of Audie Murphy of the same title, but I remember enjoying that as well.