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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:23 am
by Orm
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:24 am
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:24 am
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:26 am
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 8:27 am
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:16 pm
by Courtenay
I think you just found a bug:
USA:
CA + INF Div Pago Pago -> San Diego
CA + INF Div San Diego -> Norfolk
CA + INF Div Norfolk -> BoB 0-box
While it is legal to chain moving a unit, you have to move out of the port and back into it to pick the unit up, and US cruisers don't have the range to go out of San Diego, back into San Diego, and then to Norfolk. Some CW cruisers do, so if there were a CW cruiser on the west coast, this could be legal, but you say it was a US cruiser.

This is not in RAC, but is in the FAQ:
Q11.4-2 11.4.5 Is chaining Naval Transports legal? Yes. Date 07/03/2008
Note however that second and subsequent transports must pick up the unit by "moving through" the port and cannot pick up the unit before it itself starts moving. Date 25/06/2008
It seems that MWiF does not implement this ruling.

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:40 pm
by Orm
Courtenay wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:16 pm I think you just found a bug:
USA:
CA + INF Div Pago Pago -> San Diego
CA + INF Div San Diego -> Norfolk
CA + INF Div Norfolk -> BoB 0-box
While it is legal to chain moving a unit, you have to move out of the port and back into it to pick the unit up, and US cruisers don't have the range to go out of San Diego, back into San Diego, and then to Norfolk. Some CW cruisers do, so if there were a CW cruiser on the west coast, this could be legal, but you say it was a US cruiser.

This is not in RAC, but is in the FAQ:
Q11.4-2 11.4.5 Is chaining Naval Transports legal? Yes. Date 07/03/2008
Note however that second and subsequent transports must pick up the unit by "moving through" the port and cannot pick up the unit before it itself starts moving. Date 25/06/2008
It seems that MWiF does not implement this ruling.
Looks like RAC has further clarifications that makes this legal. The extra cost is just one MP. See below.

Cut from RAC 11.4.5 Naval transport:
....
Chaining naval transports is legal. However, the second and subsequent transports need to pick up the
unit by “moving through” the port. If the second (or subsequent) transport starts in the port where it picks up cargo
that just arrived on another transport, it costs 1 MP but 0 range to pick up the cargo - July 19, 2007.]

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:23 pm
by Courtenay
Orm wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:40 pm
Courtenay wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:16 pm I think you just found a bug:
USA:
CA + INF Div Pago Pago -> San Diego
CA + INF Div San Diego -> Norfolk
CA + INF Div Norfolk -> BoB 0-box
While it is legal to chain moving a unit, you have to move out of the port and back into it to pick the unit up, and US cruisers don't have the range to go out of San Diego, back into San Diego, and then to Norfolk. Some CW cruisers do, so if there were a CW cruiser on the west coast, this could be legal, but you say it was a US cruiser.

This is not in RAC, but is in the FAQ:
Q11.4-2 11.4.5 Is chaining Naval Transports legal? Yes. Date 07/03/2008
Note however that second and subsequent transports must pick up the unit by "moving through" the port and cannot pick up the unit before it itself starts moving. Date 25/06/2008
It seems that MWiF does not implement this ruling.
Looks like RAC has further clarifications that makes this legal. The extra cost is just one MP. See below.

Cut from RAC 11.4.5 Naval transport:
....
Chaining naval transports is legal. However, the second and subsequent transports need to pick up the
unit by “moving through” the port. If the second (or subsequent) transport starts in the port where it picks up cargo
that just arrived on another transport, it costs 1 MP but 0 range to pick up the cargo - July 19, 2007.]
Thank you. I missed this completely. I am annoyed that this is not in FAQ, and the FAQ entry has a later date.

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:28 pm
by Orm
Courtenay wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:23 pm
Thank you. I missed this completely. I am annoyed that this is not in FAQ, and the FAQ entry has a later date.
I suspect that this might be an addendum to the clarification and made at a later date and only for MWIF. I know that they asked for several clarifications when they translated RAW to RAC. Not sure that all those added clarifications have the new clarification date added.

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:14 am
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

No DoW

Actions:
Naval:
Combined: Italy, Japan
Land: Germany

No Naval Air

Naval Moves:
Japan:
Task Force from Fukuoka of CV Soryu + 3 x BB's -> 2 Box South China Sea (SCS)
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Sub Telok Betong -> South East Indian Ocean 3 box
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:17 am
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

Naval Movement:
Italy: Sub from La Spezia -> 2 box Cape St Vincent
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:22 am
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)
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Japan won't search in Bismarck Sea

Other two areas will be initiated.

Allies can add Air to Cape St Vincent
Albacore can reach 1 box
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 11:01 am
by Orm
NAV2 to the 0-box. Thank you.

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:18 pm
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

Naval Combat:

Subs committed to combat

Axis find on 1 : 5 roll

Axis choose 0 Box only
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Spend 4 SP to choose Combat Type
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:25 pm
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

Naval Combat:
Axis choose Submarine combat
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Italian sub is aborted

Please advise which Nations's CP's receive the below;
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 9:34 pm
by Orm
One Belgian CP takes the D result.
A on Belgian CP -> Boma, Belgian Congo
A on Dutch CP -> Port of Spain, Trinidad
A on CW CP -> Liverpool

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:09 pm
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

Naval Combat:
Final result
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Italian Sub aborted back to La Spezia

Next Combat:
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Japan initiates search and sub is committed

Axis find 1 10 roll

CP is destroyed
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:15 pm
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

No Strat Bombing

Ground Strikes:
Italy:
Germany: Ju87B -> Kiev
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Japan: CVP -> Batavia
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Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 10:37 pm
by toenailthehun
Jul/Aug '41
Impulse #6 (Axis)

Ground Strikes:
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No success

Re: The Australian Axis Rebels versus the Swedish Allied Empire (5 player game)

Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 1:00 am
by Courtenay
WiF can be an incredibly frustrating game. With those rolls, skip the ground strikes and go straight for the attacks! :)