Early fall 1942.
Mark Pednauct, Lt and Major Jenson arive in Liepzig and are escorted to there hotel. A spacious suite with chilled champagne and assorted cheeses await the weary men, who have traveled the better part of a week.
"Mark, can you stay our of trouble while I find out what we are doing in Liepzig, I thought we where to report to your father in Berlin?"
"Sure, I have no strength for trouble, I can bare get this bottle open", he laughed and stumbles fully dressed with aa bursting bottle into a stuffed chair.. Jenson looks at him and debates leaving him.. but he know s he has not taken any drugs for pain as they only had a few days worth and the medicine of choice , for each, had been alcohol. Jensons pain was just as real, just not as obvious.
He made his way to the operator of the hotel and showed his papers which, although somewhat dated and singed by an almost mythical General stationed two thousand km away did get him a priority line to Berlin Staff HQ where he was informed by the Senior Pednauct's aide that the General would meet the, in Liepzig the day after tommorrow and they where sent there for a "surprise", the good kind he was assured. To tired to say or do anything he simply requested some real food to be brought up, and found the Lt. ,who actually had been promoted to captain although neither knew this at the time, passed out hugging a half empy magnum. The bottle had only been touched and most of the expensive beverage was staining the plush carpets. He managed to get the bottle away from Mark and drag him into one of the bedrooms. When the food arrived he apologised to the servor who promptly told him that Mark's father owned this hotel and not to worry about something as trivial as a stain on the carpet. The two men finished getting him in bed and Jenson sat down for his first real meal, not on a moving train or something cold and barely recognisable as food on the railside.
Twice they detrained to avoid airstrikes. He had heard rumers of how bad the airwar was going, but had no idea. He also heard that his commandoes where not to be reconstituted and thought without air parity at a minimum that probably was why that decision was made too. The several thousand elite men that it took to reform the commandoes could now form the necleus of a much larger force.
The next day was uneventful until the evening meal, which they took wearing their dress uniforms which appeared out of thin air obviously from the generals actions.
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The dinner was in itself good, a fine red wine with several verieties of local wild meats, boar, venisan and a baked fish the major hade never heard of before, some veriety of trout ? Tasted different than those he had eaten in his native Norway.. if they only knew.. of course the army knew, he doubted anyone had told Mark though.. he spoke German fluently and Russian, he was a master at langauges. The officers next to them, three majors and a captain all wearing combat ribbons from the French campiegns began to get a little too loud for the majors comfort, seeing several locals look nervously at them he wondered if this was a ritual, getting drunk and generally abusive? He called over the server and asked as discreatly as possible,
"They are not too bad tonight sir", the waitor replied.
Sensing theat something was amiss with the major Mark asked him, and simply was told that the boar on his plate was fine but the three others where a little tough for his taste, in a voice designed to be heard.
General laughter erupted, and not having been insulted here before the three demanded an apology.
"I think you should finish your dinner and leave", Jenson replied.
By this time the matre'd had informed the Hotel manager, as they where co owned and managed although you had to leave the hotel to enter the main resturant, the staff did not though and the Hotel manager approached Jenson.
"Sir, perhaps you and your guest would like to finish your meal in your suite?"
"You know who my guest is?" the Manager nods nervously and Jenson asked politely,"please ask these officers to leave, or I will"
Going pale the manager approached the table and found the men looking at him with a mixture of anger and disbelief, having heard the conversation.
They rose as one and charged over to Jenson... who put his hand out to MArk as if to insist he continue eating, Mark of course was not in the habit of picking fights with drunken officers was all too happy to allow this now amusing, at least to him, spectacle to continue.
The manager turned to the four men, as Jenson had stoud and pleaded, "please take your disagreement outside"
Jenson simply smiled at the three, and asked ,"well, I am waiting as are the other guests for your apologies for your rude behavior?"
The largest of the three pocked Jenson with his finger, tryuing to intimidate him, and slured out;" you plogise".
Then things got totally out of control.
"They are not too bad tonight sir", the waitor replied.
Sensing theat something was amiss with the major Mark asked him, and simply was told that the boar on his plate was fine but the three others where a little tough for his taste, in a voice designed to be heard.
General laughter erupted, and not having been insulted here before the three demanded an apology.
"I think you should finish your dinner and leave", Jenson replied.
By this time the matre'd had informed the Hotel manager, as they where co owned and managed although you had to leave the hotel to enter the main resturant, the staff did not though and the Hotel manager approached Jenson.
"Sir, perhaps you and your guest would like to finish your meal in your suite?"
"You know who my guest is?" the Manager nods nervously and Jenson asked politely,"please ask these officers to leave, or I will"
Going pale the manager approached the table and found the men looking at him with a mixture of anger and disbelief, having heard the conversation.
They rose as one and charged over to Jenson... who put his hand out to MArk as if to insist he continue eating, Mark of course was not in the habit of picking fights with drunken officers was all too happy to allow this now amusing, at least to him, spectacle to continue.
The manager turned to the four men, as Jenson had stoud and pleaded, "please take your disagreement outside"
Jenson simply smiled at the three, and asked ,"well, I am waiting as are the other guests for your apologies for your rude behavior?"
The largest of the three pocked Jenson with his finger, tryuing to intimidate him, and slured out;" you plogise".
Then things got totally out of control.
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The men where surprised as in lightning qiuckness this seemingly quite, slighly built man dropped their large friend to the floor with one quick twist of his arm, the two other majors withdrew sensing perhaps that getting into a restuarant brawl would not help their careers, or maybe it was the look of shear joy on Jensons face, back in his element after so long he actual felt a release as his brain kicked out stimulants and his muscles responded. The other officer went for his holster. Jenson hit his arm, careful to not break it, but hard enough to injure both the man and his pride.
Soon the two where out the door, the other two looking in amasemment and then a staff car arived.
"What is this?" Barked a colonel. Saluting crisply Major Jenson replied he was "assisting" the two officers now getting two thier feet and the four looked down sensing the colonels anger and knowing they had crossed the line of apropriate behavior by not leaving and by confronting the major four to one, even if only two of the party of four actiually made any contact. All five of you, back inside before the Gestopo shows up."
The men walked inside, Mark smiled at the Colonel, "Heinz?"
"Mark, please tell me you where not involved too?"
Turning to the Matre'd, whom he obviously knew, "this resturant is now closed, allow those remaining to finish, apologise for any inconvienience in the name of the owners and the german army and no one pays, understand?"
A little shaken, the man informed the staff who began circulating to the tables of the remaining guests, taking final desert orders and informing them of their good fortune, asking also for their discretion. Rumors are bad for business.
Sitting the six junior officers down, Heinz asked what had happened and Mark gave a surprisingly even account, including Jensons insulting comment and the mens refusing to leave after appropriately being asked by the managment. Well, you are in dead lucky, Major Jenson, who is not whereing his Knights cross agaisnt military protocal, is a highly decorated veteran from the East. He could easily have killed all four of you. On the second count as my generals son is here, any offiicial report of this simply will not be tollerated? yes" they all nodded..
"You four leave, 145th yes? Good, I will unofficially be visiting your senior officers this weekend," I even hear one word of this incedent and I will personally see your for off fighting at the coldest reaches in the east, our penal battalions may need men of your calibre."
Crestfallen by the twin humiliations of a smaller man soundly beating two off there number and a senior officer threaten them, they where all too willing to allow this incedent to be officially forgotten.
"Well, what do you have to say for yourselves.. yes you two Mark, you could have stopped this at any time!", " I heardsuch glowing reports about you Jenson, perhaps the generals confidence is misplaced,?" the words stung like a slap.
Neither said anything, and the Colonel spoke softly this time, his words deafening to the two men nontheless, "I would not want to be in either of your shoes in an hour when your father arrives and Frederick informs him you allowed this incedent to happen rather than leaving in a dignified German manner and allowing their ranking officers to appropriately handle things tommorrow!"
"Now, how if the boar?" the three eat in silence and Jenson wondered at the General and what affect this would have, indeed why he was still playing at sitter for this obviously capible and healing young man.
The general arrived, wether he was informed or not neither knew as nothing was said about this for several days, greating them both he truly looked the happy father, thanking Jenson for his part in his son's safe return. "Tomorrow we discuss you're mens future, and I show you a surprise"
Soon the two where out the door, the other two looking in amasemment and then a staff car arived.
"What is this?" Barked a colonel. Saluting crisply Major Jenson replied he was "assisting" the two officers now getting two thier feet and the four looked down sensing the colonels anger and knowing they had crossed the line of apropriate behavior by not leaving and by confronting the major four to one, even if only two of the party of four actiually made any contact. All five of you, back inside before the Gestopo shows up."
The men walked inside, Mark smiled at the Colonel, "Heinz?"
"Mark, please tell me you where not involved too?"
Turning to the Matre'd, whom he obviously knew, "this resturant is now closed, allow those remaining to finish, apologise for any inconvienience in the name of the owners and the german army and no one pays, understand?"
A little shaken, the man informed the staff who began circulating to the tables of the remaining guests, taking final desert orders and informing them of their good fortune, asking also for their discretion. Rumors are bad for business.
Sitting the six junior officers down, Heinz asked what had happened and Mark gave a surprisingly even account, including Jensons insulting comment and the mens refusing to leave after appropriately being asked by the managment. Well, you are in dead lucky, Major Jenson, who is not whereing his Knights cross agaisnt military protocal, is a highly decorated veteran from the East. He could easily have killed all four of you. On the second count as my generals son is here, any offiicial report of this simply will not be tollerated? yes" they all nodded..
"You four leave, 145th yes? Good, I will unofficially be visiting your senior officers this weekend," I even hear one word of this incedent and I will personally see your for off fighting at the coldest reaches in the east, our penal battalions may need men of your calibre."
Crestfallen by the twin humiliations of a smaller man soundly beating two off there number and a senior officer threaten them, they where all too willing to allow this incedent to be officially forgotten.
"Well, what do you have to say for yourselves.. yes you two Mark, you could have stopped this at any time!", " I heardsuch glowing reports about you Jenson, perhaps the generals confidence is misplaced,?" the words stung like a slap.
Neither said anything, and the Colonel spoke softly this time, his words deafening to the two men nontheless, "I would not want to be in either of your shoes in an hour when your father arrives and Frederick informs him you allowed this incedent to happen rather than leaving in a dignified German manner and allowing their ranking officers to appropriately handle things tommorrow!"
"Now, how if the boar?" the three eat in silence and Jenson wondered at the General and what affect this would have, indeed why he was still playing at sitter for this obviously capible and healing young man.
The general arrived, wether he was informed or not neither knew as nothing was said about this for several days, greating them both he truly looked the happy father, thanking Jenson for his part in his son's safe return. "Tomorrow we discuss you're mens future, and I show you a surprise"
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The next day was indeed a surprise as they drove a distance to the tank proving grounds for the newest of the German arsonal of fascist supperiority, sic. thgey saw two tanks where being driven through muddy obsticles and smoke fill diches testing speed, suspeeension and other qualities, and they could not be more different on from the other.
"These are our future, this ugly tank," the three stood next to a Tiger tank, "is known as the Tiger, it is heavily armored and mounts a 88mm gun not unlike the dual purpose 88's fielded already which have proved so effective vs enemy armor. "
"Its range?",ask MArk his eyes looking on with a childlike huger.
"Do you mean the travel range?, "its effective armor piercing range is nearly 2500meters, like the anti air dual purpse 88's"
"And on the ground ?"
" It can make flat terrein speeds of 33km or more, but should be driven much slower, and may be limited to 50-70 km before refueling"
"It looks heavy"
"It is, nearly 23 tons" but it is a tough shell.
The men walked over to the next vehicle that was being painted a flat grey and white winter camoflage patern.
"This is th "Panther"", Faster, quicker routation of the turret, hi velocity 75mm gun, effective at about the same ranges,
greater distances over the road and faster, but not a heavily armed tank. They boath are being rushed into service, Grossduetchland received the first 40 Tigers, 6th Panzer and several other groups are reffitting with Panthers, then the remainder will fill out DG and other units. We will have an abundance of these by the summer of 43 for our battles shich we hope will get us to Moscow and end the war in the East."
The men talked about the recent fighting, that the general was a senior officer they where informed of the defeats in the farthest Eastern ares, the counterattacks and that the infantry units where cronically undermanned, as where the Germain air forces. They where shocked as the discussion turned to the timing of the pullbacks, evidently the ground forces where in the midst of transfering armor and artiller from the Eastern army, AGS, to AGC when theenemy savaged the edge of army group south. Having a front of nearly 700 km, Model sent a note he wqas deviding control into AGS and a new Army caommand, Army Group East under Guderian, with Manstein taking over Guderians former froces from around Karko North towards Kurk and Orel Bryansk.
The two areas ewxpecting the most presure and thus recievingthe most reinforcments, center A(north) and b(south) of the main highway running form Smolensk to Moscow, while being attacked easily rebuffed the enemy. Guderian took emmdiate action and launched a counterattack to relieve the pressure on the forces withdrawing from The Northeastern Tip of the advances.
Jenson listened in amazment, never before looking at anything other than a small area engagment, the general pleased that his questions showed a knowlege of supply difficulties and winter warfare.
"Mark, this may be difficult to bear, knowing your unit is fighting and your former men are in the throws of battle even now, but you are in for several months of intensive medical treatments, then you will be asseigned to work here until you have recoverd fully"
"I most strongly object" raising his voice, "I am ready in the next weeks to return to duty" The general looked angrily at his son, but sensing the long time arguement was at a loss for words.
"attention", barked Jenson, everyone looked at him at wonder. "Lt, I said stand at attention, NOW" Mark raised himself up.
"You are not asked your oponinon by a senior officer, familial relations irregardless, not one word!" Jenson glowered at him.
The general smiled inwardly acknowkledging Jensons appropriate response to a junior officers insubordination, "general, you seem to have thought a great deal of this, what , if I may be so bold, do I play in this theater of Tanks and training?"
"You are an amazing survivor, I was hoping it would rub of on this one", and Mark realizing the conversation had changed began to sit, as his injuries required him to rest or suffer suvear leg pain.
"Attention, Does this answer your ? Lt.. well, " Mark looked at Jenson with a puzzled look anbd said nothing. "You cannot even remain standing for a minute, how could you lead a tank crew?"
"Sit down at ease, and please watch what you say as to not embarrasse yourself or the general any further."
The men talked further about the problem of fighting so far from supplies, the great distances and the need to be able to react quickly to enemy attacks.
"Mark, I am asking you to be patient, tommorrow we visit the formost specialist in facial skin reconstructive replacement."
Mark said nothing, not knowing really what to say." This Dr. is actually one of the only female Dr. in the country, and studied abroad with the Swiss and in the US. She has seen your medical records and will be giving you her prognossess after a thorough exam. Jenson will you remain my sons minder as we do not really have a new asseignment for you?
"Yes my general", saluted crisply.
Jenson, it is hard for me to believe you are not German by birth, are you really Norseman?(Norwaeigan)
Yes sir, born too two full blooded Norqwegians, I hate communism, and after the shock of war, came to the conclusion that I should be involved, either with the Brits fighting Germany to free my counry, or with you against the Communists."
"So why this chioce?", the general asked surprised slightly at his candor.
"I believe in my heart Germany, however flawed will win this war, and I would like to fight against communism."
"Very well, at least you know why you are fighting"
They drove back to the hotel and several memebers of the staff had begun assemblin briefing papers for the general who was overseeing the allotment of material supplies, ie not the "guns" but the "butter" half of the material needs of the army in the East. His reports and recomendations went to the top in Berlinm, and then reports where sent to Models HQ, OKE outside Smolensk. This was one source of the anomosity the two senior generals had for one another, and the Generals families ties to Hoth where another, as he pushed hard for Hoths placement instead of Model.
"Tomorrow Jenson you will acompany me while Mark stays here for his round of testing with his new Dr.", the staff all laughed and Mark looked at Jenson who simple shrugged the I do not know shrug. Jenson was surprised, but not as surprised as he was in Berlin as destruction was evident all around the city from the now daily night raids. The maps below showed the fronts.
"These are our future, this ugly tank," the three stood next to a Tiger tank, "is known as the Tiger, it is heavily armored and mounts a 88mm gun not unlike the dual purpose 88's fielded already which have proved so effective vs enemy armor. "
"Its range?",ask MArk his eyes looking on with a childlike huger.
"Do you mean the travel range?, "its effective armor piercing range is nearly 2500meters, like the anti air dual purpse 88's"
"And on the ground ?"
" It can make flat terrein speeds of 33km or more, but should be driven much slower, and may be limited to 50-70 km before refueling"
"It looks heavy"
"It is, nearly 23 tons" but it is a tough shell.
The men walked over to the next vehicle that was being painted a flat grey and white winter camoflage patern.
"This is th "Panther"", Faster, quicker routation of the turret, hi velocity 75mm gun, effective at about the same ranges,
greater distances over the road and faster, but not a heavily armed tank. They boath are being rushed into service, Grossduetchland received the first 40 Tigers, 6th Panzer and several other groups are reffitting with Panthers, then the remainder will fill out DG and other units. We will have an abundance of these by the summer of 43 for our battles shich we hope will get us to Moscow and end the war in the East."
The men talked about the recent fighting, that the general was a senior officer they where informed of the defeats in the farthest Eastern ares, the counterattacks and that the infantry units where cronically undermanned, as where the Germain air forces. They where shocked as the discussion turned to the timing of the pullbacks, evidently the ground forces where in the midst of transfering armor and artiller from the Eastern army, AGS, to AGC when theenemy savaged the edge of army group south. Having a front of nearly 700 km, Model sent a note he wqas deviding control into AGS and a new Army caommand, Army Group East under Guderian, with Manstein taking over Guderians former froces from around Karko North towards Kurk and Orel Bryansk.
The two areas ewxpecting the most presure and thus recievingthe most reinforcments, center A(north) and b(south) of the main highway running form Smolensk to Moscow, while being attacked easily rebuffed the enemy. Guderian took emmdiate action and launched a counterattack to relieve the pressure on the forces withdrawing from The Northeastern Tip of the advances.
Jenson listened in amazment, never before looking at anything other than a small area engagment, the general pleased that his questions showed a knowlege of supply difficulties and winter warfare.
"Mark, this may be difficult to bear, knowing your unit is fighting and your former men are in the throws of battle even now, but you are in for several months of intensive medical treatments, then you will be asseigned to work here until you have recoverd fully"
"I most strongly object" raising his voice, "I am ready in the next weeks to return to duty" The general looked angrily at his son, but sensing the long time arguement was at a loss for words.
"attention", barked Jenson, everyone looked at him at wonder. "Lt, I said stand at attention, NOW" Mark raised himself up.
"You are not asked your oponinon by a senior officer, familial relations irregardless, not one word!" Jenson glowered at him.
The general smiled inwardly acknowkledging Jensons appropriate response to a junior officers insubordination, "general, you seem to have thought a great deal of this, what , if I may be so bold, do I play in this theater of Tanks and training?"
"You are an amazing survivor, I was hoping it would rub of on this one", and Mark realizing the conversation had changed began to sit, as his injuries required him to rest or suffer suvear leg pain.
"Attention, Does this answer your ? Lt.. well, " Mark looked at Jenson with a puzzled look anbd said nothing. "You cannot even remain standing for a minute, how could you lead a tank crew?"
"Sit down at ease, and please watch what you say as to not embarrasse yourself or the general any further."
The men talked further about the problem of fighting so far from supplies, the great distances and the need to be able to react quickly to enemy attacks.
"Mark, I am asking you to be patient, tommorrow we visit the formost specialist in facial skin reconstructive replacement."
Mark said nothing, not knowing really what to say." This Dr. is actually one of the only female Dr. in the country, and studied abroad with the Swiss and in the US. She has seen your medical records and will be giving you her prognossess after a thorough exam. Jenson will you remain my sons minder as we do not really have a new asseignment for you?
"Yes my general", saluted crisply.
Jenson, it is hard for me to believe you are not German by birth, are you really Norseman?(Norwaeigan)
Yes sir, born too two full blooded Norqwegians, I hate communism, and after the shock of war, came to the conclusion that I should be involved, either with the Brits fighting Germany to free my counry, or with you against the Communists."
"So why this chioce?", the general asked surprised slightly at his candor.
"I believe in my heart Germany, however flawed will win this war, and I would like to fight against communism."
"Very well, at least you know why you are fighting"
They drove back to the hotel and several memebers of the staff had begun assemblin briefing papers for the general who was overseeing the allotment of material supplies, ie not the "guns" but the "butter" half of the material needs of the army in the East. His reports and recomendations went to the top in Berlinm, and then reports where sent to Models HQ, OKE outside Smolensk. This was one source of the anomosity the two senior generals had for one another, and the Generals families ties to Hoth where another, as he pushed hard for Hoths placement instead of Model.
"Tomorrow Jenson you will acompany me while Mark stays here for his round of testing with his new Dr.", the staff all laughed and Mark looked at Jenson who simple shrugged the I do not know shrug. Jenson was surprised, but not as surprised as he was in Berlin as destruction was evident all around the city from the now daily night raids. The maps below showed the fronts.
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The mess south of Seratov has stabalized as the enemy gets a little out off breath and our new additions pound them back.
This is repeated throughout the southeast, and one successfull "backhand blow" leaves the enemy short several armored regiments! The enemy has managed to destabilize small sections of the center, the front is just too long to effectively halt every enemy advance cold, and ground is being given up North of the main Highway in the center where supplies are most difficult. The temps continue to fall, I cannot wait till the actual winte offensive begins[X(]
Our inability to reorganise the artillery and armor befor this offensive has caught us offgaurd, but not ill prepared as Grossduetchland with the new Tiger and Panther tanks is already in the center getting ready to counterattack!
The mess south of Seratov has stabalized as the enemy gets a little out off breath and our new additions pound them back.
This is repeated throughout the southeast, and one successfull "backhand blow" leaves the enemy short several armored regiments! The enemy has managed to destabilize small sections of the center, the front is just too long to effectively halt every enemy advance cold, and ground is being given up North of the main Highway in the center where supplies are most difficult. The temps continue to fall, I cannot wait till the actual winte offensive begins[X(]
Our inability to reorganise the artillery and armor befor this offensive has caught us offgaurd, but not ill prepared as Grossduetchland with the new Tiger and Panther tanks is already in the center getting ready to counterattack!
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Generals notes AGE general Guderian
This winter offensive has really hurt us, as we now have lost several a class light scouting units, several mobil infantry regiments, several HQ all overrunn as we continue to fall back towards the South. The speen and quickness of the advance, and the large numbers of well supplied troops actually remeind me of our breakout at Rostov last summer!. Lets hope they are stopped before the have a front wide breakout.
One odd thing is the thirty division enemy attack towards Astrakan, in the desert without rail lines, those red army troops are free to go all the way to Baku, they sure will not live through the summer months out on the edge, unmless they chang direction and flow wesetward? Perhaps they will, but these deep penetrations our forces made, while undefensible really hurt them for rail line support. Several new Armored regiments arrived this week, we should see this new Panther tank take
on teh t34's the enemy uses and preliminary results are positive. VR in the center reports the new Tigers are doing well, if we can manage supplies we may just have an army to fight with next year, Infantry levels are very dangerously low.
Generals notes AGE general Guderian
This winter offensive has really hurt us, as we now have lost several a class light scouting units, several mobil infantry regiments, several HQ all overrunn as we continue to fall back towards the South. The speen and quickness of the advance, and the large numbers of well supplied troops actually remeind me of our breakout at Rostov last summer!. Lets hope they are stopped before the have a front wide breakout.
One odd thing is the thirty division enemy attack towards Astrakan, in the desert without rail lines, those red army troops are free to go all the way to Baku, they sure will not live through the summer months out on the edge, unmless they chang direction and flow wesetward? Perhaps they will, but these deep penetrations our forces made, while undefensible really hurt them for rail line support. Several new Armored regiments arrived this week, we should see this new Panther tank take
on teh t34's the enemy uses and preliminary results are positive. VR in the center reports the new Tigers are doing well, if we can manage supplies we may just have an army to fight with next year, Infantry levels are very dangerously low.
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Hey Freeboy - Great read and thanks for the map screens!
Thanks!
Rick
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Rick
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Mid December
Colonel Bruno Steneister
We refit into our new tanks, the Panthers we have heard so much about really pack a powerfull high velocity gun. Yesterday we began moving toward the lines, and the rearward movement from Seretov, and all along the Southeastern front may actually stop as the supply reports I saw in HQ yesterday indecated more is getting forward. If we actually had air parity I think this last offensive would not have been so harsh. Rumors are we will be back on the offensive in this area, attampting to isolate and destroy many overextended red army troops as well as the Astrokan breakout before the spring thaw and the wait till summer.
The key rail center at Stalingrad remains well in the rear, as does Karkov, But news from the center region held by Army group center are not so good. They only recieved a fraction of the troops our front was to release, and the extra troops from Germany where very slow to arrive, or are still in route due to enemy interdiction. It is amazing the things I never knew, and thus had no interest in, before my promotion! In the Center area Smolensk, while not directly threatened, seems to need several more divisions of troops to solidify the lines north and south.
I heard from Mark that he is scheculed for some new type of skin surgery on his face and ear, they are actually taking some off his ass! It seems Jenson is now going to be offered a position training a new armored group being formed from Norwegian volenteers. Mark sent me a letter discribing the new Tiger tanks which we have not seen yet, a huge tank weilding a 88mm gun. Seems the Summer of 43 offensives will show us what we can do with our new armor. As usual for this time of year losses are terrific on both sides. we are critically undermanned in our infantry units.. and without renewed requitment will see some challenges for the abiltiy to take a great deal of enemy territory in 43.
A new rumor also is the Hoth will withdraw in the North and transfer troops toward the center for a push on Moscow. All these rumors are nothing, less than nothing when we are due to face a determined enemy who is proving that they still have teath in there bites!
Colonel Bruno Steneister
We refit into our new tanks, the Panthers we have heard so much about really pack a powerfull high velocity gun. Yesterday we began moving toward the lines, and the rearward movement from Seretov, and all along the Southeastern front may actually stop as the supply reports I saw in HQ yesterday indecated more is getting forward. If we actually had air parity I think this last offensive would not have been so harsh. Rumors are we will be back on the offensive in this area, attampting to isolate and destroy many overextended red army troops as well as the Astrokan breakout before the spring thaw and the wait till summer.
The key rail center at Stalingrad remains well in the rear, as does Karkov, But news from the center region held by Army group center are not so good. They only recieved a fraction of the troops our front was to release, and the extra troops from Germany where very slow to arrive, or are still in route due to enemy interdiction. It is amazing the things I never knew, and thus had no interest in, before my promotion! In the Center area Smolensk, while not directly threatened, seems to need several more divisions of troops to solidify the lines north and south.
I heard from Mark that he is scheculed for some new type of skin surgery on his face and ear, they are actually taking some off his ass! It seems Jenson is now going to be offered a position training a new armored group being formed from Norwegian volenteers. Mark sent me a letter discribing the new Tiger tanks which we have not seen yet, a huge tank weilding a 88mm gun. Seems the Summer of 43 offensives will show us what we can do with our new armor. As usual for this time of year losses are terrific on both sides. we are critically undermanned in our infantry units.. and without renewed requitment will see some challenges for the abiltiy to take a great deal of enemy territory in 43.
A new rumor also is the Hoth will withdraw in the North and transfer troops toward the center for a push on Moscow. All these rumors are nothing, less than nothing when we are due to face a determined enemy who is proving that they still have teath in there bites!
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LAte December t 159
FM personal notes Model OKE
I am amazed at the ability of the enemy to hit us after lossing what we estimate at nearly 2.5 million men and related equipement. Our losses this last 5 weeks have been stagerring, putting the late winter offensives on possible hold and perhaps a general reorganization. We are still tank heavy in the south, and have large reserves of Artillery made in Germany to draw upon. Als othe fact we have added Turkey with the 50 or so divisions has helped blunt this red offensive.
Several new enmemy armies showed up in both the North and the Centeral South this week and I am releasing Hoth and
Guderian and Manstein to realign there forces. VR recieved several new tank regiments, and the center should hold as a result , the latest reports showing both the tigers and Panthers doing well.
One area of not is near Astrakan, the enemy continues to pour troops into this vast area.. we may need to address this in the summer and destroy another vast enemy front south of the Volga/Don Caspian.
The actual losses and available infantry totals are a closely held secret, but we will need better air, more air, and a lot more infantry to get into Moscow in 43, which looked so promissing last October! While the war is by no means lost, we are no longer confidently winning in each zone.
FM personal notes Model OKE
I am amazed at the ability of the enemy to hit us after lossing what we estimate at nearly 2.5 million men and related equipement. Our losses this last 5 weeks have been stagerring, putting the late winter offensives on possible hold and perhaps a general reorganization. We are still tank heavy in the south, and have large reserves of Artillery made in Germany to draw upon. Als othe fact we have added Turkey with the 50 or so divisions has helped blunt this red offensive.
Several new enmemy armies showed up in both the North and the Centeral South this week and I am releasing Hoth and
Guderian and Manstein to realign there forces. VR recieved several new tank regiments, and the center should hold as a result , the latest reports showing both the tigers and Panthers doing well.
One area of not is near Astrakan, the enemy continues to pour troops into this vast area.. we may need to address this in the summer and destroy another vast enemy front south of the Volga/Don Caspian.
The actual losses and available infantry totals are a closely held secret, but we will need better air, more air, and a lot more infantry to get into Moscow in 43, which looked so promissing last October! While the war is by no means lost, we are no longer confidently winning in each zone.
"Tanks forward"
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Th debate rages among senior staff, Withdrawe and wait for the great weapons to turn the tide? or advance and attempt to knock USSR out , ie take Moscow and demand surrender? VOTE NOW? any feedback is welcome. I have one concern and that is the MASSIVE sov air supperioty, hardly worth the advantages of adding the plus supply in the south and Turkey to see the US clobber me! anyway.. I could still be offensive, in the game, and yet it would certainly be a last chance.
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We need screenies and loss reports if we're to add input into a descision like that, Freeboy.
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ok, screenies will show the enemy has, see above taken back area above don river Northeast of Stalingrad.. It really is about troops, and I am loath to reveal state secrets!
OK so you can get some screanies later.. It really does not matter about the territroy, He lost so much in strategic cities if the game did not cheat, which I swear it is, he would have under 10% of his total allowable builds per turn. given that his army magically reapperas wqithin months of being eaten I have resigned myself to the slow and deliberate backstepping into shorter and more defensible positions, always looking to kill the odd Gaurds troops, armor and artillery.
He is KILLING me in air strength. I want super weapons now dammit![X(]
Game turn 162 timeline Dec 1942..
OK so you can get some screanies later.. It really does not matter about the territroy, He lost so much in strategic cities if the game did not cheat, which I swear it is, he would have under 10% of his total allowable builds per turn. given that his army magically reapperas wqithin months of being eaten I have resigned myself to the slow and deliberate backstepping into shorter and more defensible positions, always looking to kill the odd Gaurds troops, armor and artillery.
He is KILLING me in air strength. I want super weapons now dammit![X(]
Game turn 162 timeline Dec 1942..
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PLAYER NOTE!
The intellegence community, my freind emailed me re this, has indicated that the RED ARMY had upwards of 50k SURPLUSSES of infatnry sqds for the begining fo the game!
HOW COULD THIS BE! I destroyed his army ten times over and took what 4 ten % cities and about 20 5 % which should drive the replacenment rate, starts around 1800 or so HIS, to around 10% no? I am not happy!
The intellegence community, my freind emailed me re this, has indicated that the RED ARMY had upwards of 50k SURPLUSSES of infatnry sqds for the begining fo the game!
HOW COULD THIS BE! I destroyed his army ten times over and took what 4 ten % cities and about 20 5 % which should drive the replacenment rate, starts around 1800 or so HIS, to around 10% no? I am not happy!
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Well, you gotta remember that the Soviet don't win until they capture Berlin
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ORIGINAL: Karri
Well, you gotta remember that the Soviet don't win until they capture Berlin
And Berlin is a long way away from Moscow and they only have, what 4 years to do it.
Russia’s 41st Army COLLAPSED in Pokrovsk — 25,000 Soldiers KILLED After a RIDICULOUS Russian Assault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CtW3GqPQg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_CtW3GqPQg
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Yes, I realize the designers set this in the hystorical contest BUT really, what you are doing is hamstringing the winning player.. example. shock bonus for 1943 when on the ropes? My oponent holds the two 5% cities in the North, plus Archangel and Moscow, Gorki Tula, the city next to Tula, and as I understand it does not det those 5% back. So at around 10% how in the world does he have such large amounts of units/ replacements? This is a travesty of notes! There sshould be a new notes that say, donot worry about taking the reds cities, makes no difference as they get unlimited men and equipment![:@]
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How many have you actually killed, how many he has assigned and how many in the pool?
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PLAYER NOTE!
The intellegence community, my freind emailed me re this, has indicated that the RED ARMY had upwards of 50k SURPLUSSES of infatnry sqds for the begining fo the game!
HOW COULD THIS BE! I destroyed his army ten times over and took what 4 ten % cities and about 20 5 % which should drive the replacenment rate, starts around 1800 or so HIS, to around 10% no? I am not happy!
If you do the math for the loss of those ammounts of cities you mention, his production would be about 23.5% of max, not 10! With the "gear up" in the first winter his production is about 55% of what it was on turn 1. There is no hidden event. all captured cities lower production with what's stated at the map.
I don't know of any equipment that starts at a rateo 1800 for the soviet player.
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