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RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:38 am
by JeffroK
DD696,
Your pic of the M4 & the French Renault, I think the M4 was a 76mm gunned version rather than the Firefly.
The M4 in canadian colours would be a Firefly.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:33 am
by Raverdave
Yeah "Pucka" has a nice collection, and they are well looked after. There was a rather large private collection out in the back blocks of Narre Warren North but it was all broken up and sold off. Did you get to see the prototype Bushmasters that they blew-up as part of the testing? Really interesting stuff.
@ John Lansford That really shitsmeoff when they will not let you take pics.....seems to me they are trying to force you to buy postcards and books from the shop that is always attached to such places.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:33 am
by Raverdave
ORIGINAL: Terminus
RAVER![&o][&o]
G'day T [;)]
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:52 am
by JeffroK
ORIGINAL: Raverdave
Yeah "Pucka" has a nice collection, and they are well looked after. There was a rather large private collection out in the back blocks of Narre Warren North but it was all broken up and sold off. Did you get to see the prototype Bushmasters that they blew-up as part of the testing? Really interesting stuff.
@ John Lansford That really shitsmeoff when they will not let you take pics.....seems to me they are trying to force you to buy postcards and books from the shop that is always attached to such places.
Raver,
At least the Lee/Grant is now at Pucka, another worthwhile visit is the RAAOC museum at Bandiana (Nr Wodonga, 200m Nth of Melb), they have a lot of small arms and support vehicles. They only had complete ASLAAV's, but were tidying up for ANZAC Day when I last went.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:50 am
by Raverdave
Yup....been there too, but that was a long time ago ( 5 years or so?). Sounds like I need to get back there.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:08 am
by DD696
ORIGINAL: John Lansford
There's a much smaller armored museum in Danville, Virginia, that has many rare vehicles in it and adding more all the time. They've got a Pzkw IV-J that was in the German, Finnish, Syrian and Israeli armies, and some APC's from the Soviet, British, German and US armies. They're all indoors and don't allow photography, but it's a real nice visit.
http://www.aaftankmuseum.com/
According to their website, photography is allowed but flash is not. Looks like it would be interesting but it appears most of it is post-WWII AFV's. They don't provide much information as to what AFV's they have.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:31 am
by patrickl
ORIGINAL: Blackwatch_it
ORIGINAL: TOMLABEL
Yes, that's right. I forgot that the Patton museum is who has the King Tiger.
TOMLABEL
The Kampfgruppe Peiper King Tiger in La Gleize, Ardennes
Yeah, the King Tiger - meanest tankeater![X(]
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:36 pm
by John Lansford
Yeah, they allow photos, but all the AFV's are in a big warehouse with dim lighting, so if you don't have a flash you end up with super dark pictures. They've got a T-34-85, the Mk IV H I mentioned earlier (I recall the side skirts so it wasn't a J), some really old British and US WWI tanks, a lot of guns and artillery, and yes, mostly post-WWII stuff too.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:14 am
by mikemike
ORIGINAL: DD696
According to their website, photography is allowed but flash is not.
The RAF Museum in Hendon had the same restriction when I was there in '87. They had fire detectors that were triggered by photoflashes (probably some kind of UV sensors).
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:27 pm
by marky
ORIGINAL: DD696
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RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 1:33 am
by Feinder
I think the "little unknown" is a French R-35.
-F-
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:58 am
by Historiker
ORIGINAL: DD696
ORIGINAL: Terminus
ORIGINAL: DD696
Late US SPA
That's a German Ferdinand.
Wasn't this also called the Elefant? That just looked too new and in too good of shape to be one of the German AFV's. That's as good a find as the JagdTiger is.
THis is indeed an Elefant.
Mostly its the same tank but the Ferdinand was the first version without any MG. As we see a frontal Driver MG, its an Elefant.
Terminus, you're wrong. The Ferdinand was first, then the Elefant...
I wanted to help identify the rest just to see that it was already done

RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:38 am
by Odin
ORIGINAL: DD696
A more modern German tank destroyer. What is it?
Kanonenjagdpanzer 90mm
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanonenjagdpanzer
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:49 pm
by morganbj
I got to shoot one of those in Graf in 1974, I think it was. I was on a range recon mission at one of the smaller ranges close to the main part of the kaserne when the range OIC, a German lieutenant, asked if I'd like to watch them shoot. After spending a few minutes in the tower with him, he asked if I'd like to fire a few rounds. "Hell, yes!" was my reply.
Well, we went over, climbed in, and after a couple of instructions, I got to fire three or four rounds at a silhouette target downrange. Somebody who knows help me here. As I remember, the trigger was foot activated (i.e., like an old floor-mounted dimmer switch?). Am I geeting senile, or is that how it was done? I remember it was VERY different than our M60A1s.
"Fun, fun fun, 'till daddy tool the T-Bird away."
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 2:10 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: marky
Geez, Marky, I knew you were kinda young but take some vitamins or something! [:D]
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:20 pm
by bobogoboom
ORIGINAL: DD696
ORIGINAL: Terminus
ORIGINAL: DD696
Late US SPA
That's a German Ferdinand.
Wasn't this also called the Elefant? That just looked too new and in too good of shape to be one of the German AFV's. That's as good a find as the JagdTiger is.
history channel[8|] just did an episode of tank overhauling on this vehicle. they just restored it.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:02 pm
by stuman
ORIGINAL: marky
ORIGINAL: DD696
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Now I KNOW this will sink a Japanese Battleship. I don't care how good their armor was.
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:53 pm
by flaggelant
that bomb's gonna way over 3 tons!?!
was that a single bomb load for a 4EB???
can't imagine anything getting up in the air with that thing inside/ attached [X(]
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:54 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Erm, you have heard of Grand Slam and Tallboy, right?
RE: Aberdeen Proving Grounds
Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:56 pm
by DuckofTindalos
The bomb, BTW, weighs 44,000 pounds and was an American weapon called the T-12. With the advent of nuclear weapons, it became obsolete.