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Prince of aholes-
seriously man give it a rest with your obnoxious bs. stfu and go do something constructive with your time rather than acting like an internet tard. [:-]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

The following information is taken from Thomas Jentz's " Dreaded Threat".

30 degrees Penetration
88mm Pzgr 39 APCBC- Tiger E Round
100....500.....1000.....1500....2000m
127....117.....106.......96......88mm

I have that too. But it doesn't say 'Tiger E Round' The round was used for all 88m/L56. The curious thing is the velocity of the Pzgr39 is listed as 800m/sec and not as accurate as the Pzgr Patr. but a Jentz book on the Tiger I apparently has the 88mm/L56 Pzgr39 with a velocity of 773m/sec and much more accurate. (Unless the guns vs armor site is mistaken).

OK I found the data.

30 degrees Penetration
773 m/s
88mm Pzgr 39 APCBC- Tiger E Round
100....500.....1000.....1500....2000m
120....110.....100.......91......84mm

Now what to do about this?

< Message edited by Prince of Eckmühl -- 12/25/2010 7:31:10 AM >
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Aw, all I want for Christmas is my two feet of concrete!

ORIGINAL: fmj

Prince of aholes-
seriously man give it a rest with your obnoxious bs. stfu and go do something constructive with your time rather than acting like an internet tard. [:-]

Are you a lewis?

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

< Message edited by Prince of Eckmühl -- 12/25/2010 7:31:10 AM >

Aw, all I want for Christmas is my two feet of concrete!

We could send a man around to fit you for a pair of cement overshoes.[:D]

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

ORIGINAL: fmj

Prince of aholes-
seriously man give it a rest with your obnoxious bs. stfu and go do something constructive with your time rather than acting like an internet tard. [:-]

Are you a lewis?

Well in this thread PoE you are doing a standup troll impression, bravo.

ORIGINAL: Ron

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

ORIGINAL: fmj

Prince of aholes-
seriously man give it a rest with your obnoxious bs. stfu and go do something constructive with your time rather than acting like an internet tard. [:-]

Are you a lewis?

Well in this thread PoE you are doing a standup troll impression, bravo.

Hey, go over to the BF forum and lobby for Lewis and his sockpuppets there. See how far that gets you.[8|]

ORIGINAL: Ron

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

ORIGINAL: fmj

Prince of aholes-
seriously man give it a rest with your obnoxious bs. stfu and go do something constructive with your time rather than acting like an internet tard. [:-]

Are you a lewis?

Well in this thread PoE you are doing a standup troll impression, bravo.

It's no impression. He is the real deal. I think he spent his whole Christmas online.

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

It's no impression. He is the real deal. I think he spent his whole Christmas online.

Look everyone; Lewis posted without editing!

A New Year's resolution perhaps?

Meanwhile, there's much being talked about in regard to the new BF game.

However, Lewis and his sockpuppets can't participate at Battlefront.com.

It seems Steve won't let poor little Lewis play in any BF games!

BTW, there was no shortage of concrete in Normandy:

BTW, Normandy is June 1944+.  See the first post in this thread.  You are trolling again.  You can't stay on topic nor support your argument, then I suppose you must advertise for Battlefront.

Edit: a simple search yields that even in June 1944, the use of concrete is not evident for these Normandy documented pictures. StuGIII and StuGIV evident. Again, the assertion that StuG's used concrete in anything near the degree stated by Prince of Ecktroll is incorrect.

http://www.normandy-1944.com/LaFiere03.html

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

BTW, Normandy is June 1944+.  See the first post in this thread.  You are trolling again.  You can't stay on topic nor support your argument, then I suppose you must advertise for Battlefront.

Fine, let's take a look at the thread title:

Stug BS discussions

A sober individual could conclude that the title alone set the tone for what's followed, which is to say that you're incapable of generating anything other than BS.

Now let's analyze your first post:

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I have seen such God-Awful BS discussions regarding the StuGIII over the years that its just tiresome. I would like to finally shut up both sides and hopefully get some realism in a game that handles these weapons.

The comment above assumes that you have something worthwhile to add to the body of knowledge surrounding this vehicle. That's clearly not the case.

Obviously the 'CM' crowd at BF is just spinning wheels.

The whiners at CM 'GAMESQUAT' can't do anything but rehash whinerages.

Why insult people that are your betters, Lewis, smarter, better-educated, and more accomplished than yourself? Or are you the only person on the planet whose sensibilities are relevant in this regard.

I think a fresh look at the issue of the StuGIIIG vs. Soviet 76mm ammunition is a discourse that needs settling

So, where in the title or post does it say anything about a date Lewis?

Oh, but let me repost a III.G from 1943, which you've conveniently forgotten about:



Mr.Tittles?

If we accept that 88mm AP penetration table that shows cement to armor ratio of 6-8%.
So 250mm of concrete would be worth less than an inch of armor. Not good. About as much protection as some track links. But better than nothing.

ORIGINAL: Mobius

If we accept that 88mm AP penetration table that shows cement to armor ratio of 6-8%.
So 250mm of concrete would be worth less than an inch of armor. Not good. About as much protection as some track links. But better than nothing.

What's the weight of track links to concrete? Tracks can be used for repair or even to help other disabled vehicles be repaired. Concrete is dead weight.

Its no surprise that evidence can not be shown that its use was prevalent or prevalent after a certain time frame. The exceptions certainly do not make the rule. I have certainly provided evidence that it was not universally used.

And Prince can not do anything but whine and post haphazard information.

ORIGINAL: Mobius

If we accept that 88mm AP penetration table that shows cement to armor ratio of 6-8%.
So 250mm of concrete would be worth less than an inch of armor. Not good. About as much protection as some track links. But better than nothing.

How the heck can you measure this stuff?

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

How the heck can you measure this stuff?

Same question for a later production vehicle:

That's your problem, not ours.  You see, you made the claim that CONCRETE was the true source of StuG invincibility.  Now prove it.

Edit: And try to date those invincible-StuGs if you can.

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Now prove it.

There's no photographic or anecdotal evidence that a Stug.III.g was ever penetrated through the concrete-encrusted surfaces.

Or does that not coincide with the findings of your ouija board?

Let me post a second image of the vehicle depicted in my previous post.

Can you find yourself in the photo?

That argument is as weak as your humor.&nbsp; And, hasn't that been dealt with before?

ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

Now prove it.

Can you find yourself in the photo?

I like it, almost a "Where's Waldo" image, just no Waldo.

My question is that if applying concrete was totally worthless, then why does it seem to appear with some form of regularity? I just want to know if it was not for protection of some sort, then what was it for?