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Thanks Miller i appreciate it,though around Smolensk I am anything but set. Need the Russians to live up to "Dogged Defenders" or I am looking at a sub-lease on Moscow property to Uncle Adolf.

The Great White North,or just Northern Front....... Nothing really to see here accept a reinforcing division makes a magical appearance close to the Finn no attack line. I can really use this division!

Oops,ahead of myself with screen-shots........here is the "Total Losses first page."

Well,well lookie here we have German AFV losses at: (Drum Roll PLEASE!) 1015! So we broke 1,000 and that is close to a third of his starting armor.

Here are the aircraft losses for both sides as of turn#8:

Interesting indeed with some 1,300 Luftwaffe planes gone that has got to start diminishing effectiveness. The RED Air-Force has lost what now close to 10,000 airframes? I certainly hope the ministry of production is rolling these things out!

Here is the screen so far that I have come to hate,that is the destroyed units screen! I always as the RED ARMY have destroyed units..........the Germans(so far)don't. Enough said.

Northern Front situation:

Basically things are unchanged here. The addition of the 3rd rifle division showing up is a welcome surprise. I will now hazard a look at what happened south of Leningrad and the Pskov area.

I'm certainly happy that the 3rd rifle division formed near Leningrad this turn,because the Krauts have broken through and cut off part of 8th army. They have also taken Pskov and panzers are closing in on the high ground south of Leningrad.

Well the 2 rifle divisions and the NKVD rgt that formed on no-name island in the northern gulf of Riga are pinning at least 2 German divisions in containing them. Every small bit of aid helps the cause,2 less infantry divisions to storm into Leningrad's streets!

I thought it was going to be ugly,it is ugly but not as bad as I'd feared. Take a gander and feel free to comment.

The Smolensk FRONT is now the Vyazma Front! To say things deteriorated would be an understatement but I can still cobble together something for next turn that resembles a line. More on this later,my first thoughts are the 5 divisions i have on trains already are coming to Moscow!

Still a line holding shape is my Bryansk Front situation. Hope things went well in the south as I'll need to shift divisions to reconstruct the center at Moscow.

Kiev Front the bad guys,(between Hitler and Stalin bad is relative),that is the Germans for the purposes of this AAR! {no personal,racial or ethnic slight intended to anyone who thinks the Soviets were worse. Nor should this thread be construed in any way shape or form as advocating Stalinist communism) Sorry,in the face of minor in game disaster i couldn't resist a farcical disclaimer to raise my morale.

Anyway things are much less dire on this front and i have a nice Big Riverfor him to cross again. So some reserves coming here,are going elsewhere-----------MOSCOW HO!

Going to add some more units to the KIA list looks like[:D] Good thing is you have losses to give him. It is hard to think like Stalin and sacrifice tons of men[:-]

Southern Front: Again the situation relative to my center at Moscow is not at all too bad. i should even be able to scrape some infantry together to relieve an armored division defending the river line. I always try to free up mobile units for second defense line use.

Congrats on getting another Front activated.  [:D]

Tophat, try more of a checkerboard in the Leningrad area. If he gets to Leningrad after turn 10, he probably can't take it.

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Tophat, try more of a checkerboard in the Leningrad area. If he gets to Leningrad after turn 10, he probably can't take it.

Will do! Thanks for the encouraging target date to try and live through....[:D]

Aside from Leningrad,any words of wisdom or idea on what to do in the center? Or just keep throwing divisions in his way,so as not to be encircled,then attrition him to a standstill?

Keep throwing divisions at him, but in a mostly checkerboard way, don't try to form a line too far west of Moscow. Losing Rzhev isn't a big problem. Losing Kalinin or Tula is a problem.

The problem he'll soon be facing if you keep delaying him is that his northern and southern flanks won't keep up with his central advance, so he's essentially advancing into a winter nightmare just like the Axis historically did. He must've missed the part in the manual that describes that going for Moscow is very dangerous in 1941;)

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Keep throwing divisions at him, but in a mostly checkerboard way, don't try to form a line too far west of Moscow. Losing Rzhev isn't a big problem. Losing Kalinin or Tula is a problem.

The problem he'll soon be facing if you keep delaying him is that his northern and southern flanks won't keep up with his central advance, so he's essentially advancing into a winter nightmare just like the Axis historically did. He must've missed the part in the manual that describes that going for Moscow is very dangerous in 1941;)

He's probably like me and doesn't read the manual right off...or also like me can get caught up in the moment. No,no,no.....played too many Witp games with him,Mr.meticulous has a plan.

I have been pulling industry out of this area kalinin and Tula,not that I want to loose either.

Tula, and the Moscow area in general, has a lot of industry, which is difficult to evacuate in only a handful of turns unless you commit a large part of your rail capacity to do so. That's why delaying actions are important. Men can easily be replaced, factories can not in many cases.

Have you lost any industry thus far?

You may want to consider ordering up some fort units; it's desperate to do but helps digging.

You may want to try a modified checkerboard, with rifle units in trees instead of being plopped every two hexes.

Try not to put the partial strength units too close to the front; they need time to fill out and be ready.

ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Tula, and the Moscow area in general, has a lot of industry, which is difficult to evacuate in only a handful of turns unless you commit a large part of your rail capacity to do so. That's why delaying actions are important. Men can easily be replaced, factories can not in many cases.

Have you lost any industry thus far?

Haven't lost "ANY" industry yet. But that which was moved is "damaged"....so I have lost temporarily at least production. Taking a breather before sending moses this last turn. took me all afternoon to re-organize and change units army commands to keep in command radius.