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RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:22 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: Arstavidios
I don't leave stacks with only minors in the south, I always stack them with at least one German division.
the germans have a good defensive capacity. so even if you can't attack any more you can slow down the soviets for quite some time if you manage your force carefully. This is also interesting. The soviets have a long way to go and they do not have that much manpower. you have to make them bleed and use the opportunities for counterattacks as they advance into newly conquered hexes that have not been fortified yet.
I do not usually do that myself, but since they had rather good CV, a lvl 3 fort, and only one hex to be attacked from, I judged it (with error ofc) that they should be able to hold.
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:22 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Keep up the good fight terje! Lots of guard divisions eh? He seems a bit impatient,open the door and see how far he'll stick himself through it.
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ALOT of guards indeed. I am not sure Sean is impatient, but we shall see.
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:26 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: tm1
Hi Terje
Hope you don't mind me posting im really enjoying the battle, it looks like a tough fight ahead fcr both of you.
This is what makes it great to play when its close.
You have certainly have much more experience and playing time than me but i hope you don't mind me sharing my 2 cents worth to your current situation
with few ideas of my own.
Firstly one of the members put forth the idea of a general withdrawal then counter attack, a good idea but if you give up to much ground its sometimes hard to win back.
Also Im certain any one who plays this game loathes giving up 1 inch let alone 1 hex wether they play Soviet or German.
However after looking at your map after t68 it looks like a tough ask to hold Smolensk, what about a partial withdrawal of Army Group Centre to a defensive line along the Dnepr River and dig for the winter.
The same for Army Group North shortening your defence lines with the hope of creating some kind of reserve.
My thinking is the south is the key to victory lots of open terrain,Infantry is no match for Tanks, it looks to me that you have concentrated your Panzers there so Army Group South should hold its ground till summer.
From what I see your opponent seems a very capable player and will have some formidable strategy prepared for the summer of 43 to counter your moves.
If your line has held over the winter when summer comes make your move in the south but instead of attacking fall back first as Von Manstein did at Kharkov then turn and strike with your Panzers better still if you can pull off Hannibals Cannae strategy you could destroy the entire Soviet southern front leaving you free to attack the Soviet central front.
Of course easy said than done but I believe I have read posts on here from fellow members that tell me your a master of encirclements.
I guess im not telling you anything you have not done in the past or even thought about before so good luck and don't surrender yet.
cheers
Regards TM
Not at all. I am happy that people post.
The problem with falling back is that that means ALL my units will be out of forts, and that could easily lead to a major defeat way earlier.
My goal/hope/wish/dream now is to be able to keep "holding" as I do in AGC, and drive my panzers north to AGC during mud, and then strike in the area of AGC in winter, since the USSR is not well dug in there anymore.
The thinking about the south being the best terrain for panzers is spot on, and why I deployed them there, but I cannot make enough encirclements, and the USSR is too well entrenched down there, which is why I intend to move them to AGC for the winter.
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:21 pm
by terje439
Turn 69
Disclaimer
Quick update now as CW is about to start in WoT.
Overall
The USSR lashes out, and they are rude. We once more restore the situation.
The USSR made 8 helds, 1 scouted, 12 retreats and 2 routs for a total of 23 attacks.
We made 23 attacks and scored 6 helds, 15 retreats and 2 routs.
Losses
USSR : 85.000 troops, 1.119 guns, 235 AFVs, 273 AC.
Axis : 69.000 troops, 1.016 guns, 122 AFVs, 110 AC.
USSR units in pockets at start of turn
0.
USSR units in pockets at end of turn
0.
#of USSR reserve activations
3.
USSR units destroyed
None.
Axis units disbanded
1 Fortified Zone.
Partisans
9, all delt with.
German Pools
Manpower : 1.728
Vehicles : 174.994
Armaments : 99.552
Hiwi : 105

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:07 am
by terje439
Turn 70
Overall
Mud arrives, and just in time too I think. My panzers are pulled back, and we manage to retrieve our isolated units. I now need to relocate my panzers, as well as give them some rest.
We made 1 attack, and scored 1 retreat, while the USSR launched 19 attacks, scoring 6 helds, 11 retreats and 2 routs.
Losses
USSR : 55.000 troops, 532 guns, 207 AFVs, 171 AC.
Axis : 62.000 troops, 952 guns, 78 AFVs, 41 AC.
USSR units in pockets at start of turn
0.
USSR units in pockets at end of turn
0.
#of USSR reserve activations
0.
Partisans
We eliminated 4 out of 5.
German Pools
Manpower : 190
Vehicles : 171.778
Armaments : 56.964
Hiwi : 4

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:26 am
by loki100
are you still optimistic that you can make 1943 into a stalemate, thus giving yourself some depth for the later stages?
that was a lof of isolated tanks you had there ... they really need to start talking to each other more often?
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:19 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: loki100
are you still optimistic that you can make 1943 into a stalemate, thus giving yourself some depth for the later stages?
that was a lof of isolated tanks you had there ... they really need to start talking to each other more often?
I cannot make -43 a stalemate, but I can prevent losing in -43 [;)]
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:26 am
by terje439
Turn 71
Overall
This is the first turn with mud in all zones, so we make no attacks, but instead use this chance to fall back some, and reorganize our line. The USSR tried two attacks, but both ended with held results.
Finally some quiet turns.
Losses
USSR : 41.000 troops, 274 guns, 19 AFVs, 49 AC.
Axis : 25.000 troops, 115 guns, 12 AFVs, 15 AC.
Partisans
We eliminated 5 out of 8. Mud makes it harder to hunt them down on the first turn after they appear.
German Pools
Manpower : 665
Vehicles : 166.785
Armaments : 51.491
Hiwi : 91

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 9:48 am
by terje439
Turn 72
Overall
No attacks were made from either side, and all I did was to reform the line in the best way possible. We are now awaiting winter.
Losses
USSR : 27.000 troops, 87 guns, 10 AFVs, 169 AC.
Axis : 19.000 troops, 36 guns, 7 AFVs, 16 AC.
German units disbanded
2 Fortified Zones are no longer needed as we have divisions in place instead.
Partisans
4 out of 6 were delt with.
German Pools
Manpower : 1.227
Vehicles : 159.339
Armaments : 67.293
Hiwi : 237

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:08 am
by terje439
Turn 73
Overall
The USSR launches 3 attacks (2 helds and 1 retreat) in the Kerch area, and when I look at their CV, I understand why. Have anyone else seen such offensive CV numbers during mud before?? Seems way off to me, but I could be wrong (see below).
Losses
USSR : ??.000 troops, ?? guns, ?? AFVs, ?? AC.
Axis : 13.000 troops, 22 guns, 7 AFVs, 13 AC.
Partisans
7 started on the map, 1 remain.
German Pools
Manpower : 10
Vehicles : 158.563
Armaments : 77.010
Hiwi : 17

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:37 am
by Blubel
IIRC the Crimea belongs to the European weather zone, so there might not be mud there...
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:05 pm
by terje439
True, but not that far north, and look at the weather report for the hex I have selected...Strange...
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:59 pm
by STEF78
The CV of the russian isn't divided as far as he hasn't played. So the Cv of 18 is before the effect of mud.
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:05 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: STEF78
The CV of the russian isn't divided as far as he hasn't played. So the Cv of 18 is before the effect of mud.
Are you sure, I am not [;)]
Pretty sure I saw a lot of 1CV USSR units out there, but I could be wrong.
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:18 pm
by Michael T
I have come to the conclusion that displayed CV values are meaningless in the game these days.
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 9:54 pm
by terje439
True ofc, yet those two units beat back a fresh German div and 2 Rum Divs...
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:13 pm
by terje439
Turn 74
Overall
The mud is gone, and I fly a lot of recon missions. The picture they paint is not a nice one, so we stay on the defensive. From now on we will react, not act.
Neither side launched any attacks.
Losses
USSR :24.000 troops, 59 guns, 7 AFVs, 49 AC.
Axis : 10.000 troops, 24 guns, 6 AFVs, 30 AC.
Partisans
All 9 are gone.
German units disbanded
1 Luftwaffe Field Division (this is all they are good for imo).
German Pools
Manpower : 6.889
Vehicles : 162.250
Armaments : 90.642
Hiwi : 4.472

RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:05 am
by Arstavidios
I don't agree with disbanding the luftwaffe field divisions.
later on they grow to the same strength as regular divisions and they can be quite useful, even in 1942, to hold the line in quiet places of the front.
I prefer disbanding some luftwaffe Hqs FDB units and extra airfields first if I really need to get some extra manpower. also in 1942 I reduce the TOE of german division to about 75%. Divisions are often short of rifle squads while they usually have plenty of other things.
just my opinion though.
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:47 pm
by terje439
ORIGINAL: Arstavidios
I don't agree with disbanding the luftwaffe field divisions.
later on they grow to the same strength as regular divisions and they can be quite useful, even in 1942, to hold the line in quiet places of the front.
I prefer disbanding some luftwaffe Hqs FDB units and extra airfields first if I really need to get some extra manpower. also in 1942 I reduce the TOE of german division to about 75%. Divisions are often short of rifle squads while they usually have plenty of other things.
just my opinion though.
The problem as I see it, is that later is not good enough, I tend to need those rifle squads at the front asap, and when they appear, the LW Field Divisions are just too weak. I then prefer to disband them and let the manpower go into the regular divisions.
But as you say, different minds, different oppinions [:)]
Terje
RE: Laugh n a 1/2 - No Manstein63
Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 4:51 pm
by terje439
Turn 75
Disclaimer
Forgot to take a screenshot since there is nothing going on, and no requests.
Overall
The USSR launch three attacks scoring 2 helds and 1 retreat, while we do nothing. The 11th Army disbands automatically this turn, and I am not sure if the devs have thought about one of the changes they made. Since army air groups cannot change HQ, I am now stuck with an airgroup stuck to AGS that I cannot relocate to another HQ. No biggie, just annoying [;)]
Losses
USSR : 17.000 troops, 112 guns, 11 AFVs, 48 AC.
Axis : 12.000 troops, 64 guns, 7 AFVs, 7 AC.
Partisans
10 show up, 2 remain.
German units disbanded
Another Luftwaffe Field Division is disbanded. Sorry Herman.
German Pools
Manpower : 6.930
Vehicles : 162.621
Armaments : 103.159
Hiwi : 14