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RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:06 pm
by Lowpe
Lets see: we agree on mostly everything, and you have added a little more detail.
AA in Ceylon...Ceylon is either conquered or not and the AA doesn't really play a role. If not conquered, then the AA is almost meaningless there. Having it instead at Calcutta or someplace else (like Karachi should the shtf) is much better.
The temptation is for the Allies to use those British destroyers early...you could try for a flank move to Batan, but I don't think they can make it. Might run into something else though. Once the British destroyers are in Balikpapen they can refuel and join Force Z.
I have never seen one Iboat running amok like that...with regard to fuel in cargo ships. But life is risks.[:)]
I wouldn't buy out the P40 is the PI (I believe they withdraw), but I would change their leaders. I wasn't all that clear there. I would abandon the head to head air game and try to use them to strafe ships or new conquered runways; or for CAP traps. Normally you can only do this once.
I would buy out the B17s, but I would also buy out the Chinese bombers that don't withdraw and fly them to Ledo/India. They can fly supply into China were they will have value instead of eating supply in China.
WITPQS answered your question on the half movement. In fact he expanded on it.[&o]
Palembang Fortress: Easily countered quickly by Japan. Should be one of the highest priorities Japan has during the opening. I don't see this or the Mersing option being worthy of HR, but of course check with your opponent first before the game starts.
How about another free one: Move Marblehead to the Sandakan base on eastern Northern Borneo and disband. Use flank speed to get there on day 1; wait a day or two and then ambush the Miri invasion force or attack some of the Japanese cruisers in the area hunting the thundering herd (especially once the Japanese are low on ammo).
And finally, disband Force Z at Tanjoewangi (whatever, the base next to Singers) and use it to swim into the Mersing Option on day 3. Sure to be a surprise, and sure to be very bloody for both sides..[:D]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 12:04 am
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: wdolson
David Carradine was mostly Irish and some Irish have a pseudo epicanthic fold around the eyes which makes them look vaguely Asian. The epicanthic fold is the name of the feature that give East Asians the different look to the eye.
It's interesting that Native Americans are genetically almost indistinguishable from Asians, but have less of the epicanthic fold. My SO and I did the DNA genealogy test. My SO's report said she was around 37% Asian or Native American. It couldn't tell which. She knows her father was about 1/2 native Mexican Indian (ie Aztec). She has reminded me on occasion her ancestors removed people's hearts while they were still beating. There were also some rumors her mother's father was 1/2 Nez Perce, but nobody really wanted to talk about it. Back when he was a kid Native American ancestry was a shameful thing.
I thought it interesting that the test couldn't determine between Native American and Asian while it can distinguish where in Europe your ancestry came from. It even identified a tiny trace from Sardinia with me, though almost all the rest is Northern European or undetermined European. The Sardinian was just the right percentage to be from a survivor of the Spanish Armada. My Irish grandmother's family came from the part of Ireland where the Spanish Armada washed ashore after a storm wrecked many ships onto the Irish shores and that line of the family is the only one with brown eyes and dark hair, which is suspected to come from the survivors of the Spanish Armada. My other three grand parents had blue eyes and blond hair. My father was blond until he went completely white.
Bill
ORIGINAL: obvert
Interesting.
My mom's side of he family has some evidence of he epicanthic fold. It's from her Norwegian heritage. For Norwegians it comes from the Central Asian Sammi who live nomadically across the north of skandanavia. I can really see it in pictures of my grandmother's mother.
Did this come to Ireland with the Vikings who also brought the blue eyes and blond hair?
My daughter, now 6 weeks old, had a similar look to my mom as a baby with dark hair and slightly almond shaped eyes (epicanthic fold). Both my wife and I were surprised as we have lighter brown/auburn hair and European looking eyes. I'd love to get a full genetic profile done. I'm sure there would be some surprises.
I think I may have some Sammi too. My Y chromosome originated up near the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia according to my DNA testing. It's possible the epicanthic fold came to Ireland with the Norwegian Vikings. I am sure I have some Norwegian Viking genetics on the Irish side in my family. County Mayo on the NW coast of Ireland was raided a fair bit by the Vikings. I probably have some Viking on my mother's father's side who is a mix from the British Isles, though they have been in North America since the 1600s. One ancestor founded Spingfield, MA, another commanded Roger's Rangers in the French-Indian War. What's interesting is for how long that side of the family has been on this continent there are no detectable traces of Native American or African genetics. There may be some, but it wasn't picked up in the test (which doesn't test the entire genome).
Bill
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:17 pm
by Lecivius
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
My big thing is that I am totally embarrassed to have a 7-page long AAR report with no action. Maybe it comes from my Navy days.
Makes me wonder if we were in the same Navy. I remember mountains of paperwork getting pushed around just to do an HI exercise.
Many points here I agree to. However (there is ALWAYS some smart ass that says that! [:D])
I would run tankers from DEI to Oz, then run the short legged ones back to the DEI, and the long legged ones to Iran. You can never have enough of those big fellas. I hate to put them at risk.
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Lastly, I get the Cavite base force out asap. Load it amphib no supply & it leaves in 1 day. It keeps your subs from reloading from Manila if you run off with your AS support, but that base unit is gold in a port like Brisbane, with a small, overworked, repair yard.
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:04 pm
by Zorch
My genetic scan.

Strangely, the WitP:AE area is not shown.
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:07 pm
by Lecivius
ORIGINAL: Zorch
Strangely, the WitP:AE area is not shown.
That's because it's in the heart [;)]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:22 pm
by AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: Lecivius
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
My big thing is that I am totally embarrassed to have a 7-page long AAR report with no action. Maybe it comes from my Navy days.
Makes me wonder if we were in the same Navy. I remember mountains of paperwork getting pushed around just to do an HI exercise.
Many points here I agree to. However (there is ALWAYS some smart ass that says that! [:D])
I would run tankers from DEI to Oz, then run the short legged ones back to the DEI, and the long legged ones to Iran. You can never have enough of those big fellas. I hate to put them at risk.
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Lastly, I get the Cavite base force out asap. Load it amphib no supply & it leaves in 1 day. It keeps your subs from reloading from Manila if you run off with your AS support, but that base unit is gold in a port like Brisbane, with a small, overworked, repair yard.
Actually we were in different Navies.[:D] In the VP squadrons we rarely didn't make contact (and that was almost always a USN boat who felt that he had better things to do than participate in scheduled war games!) The Soviets were always most cooperative. If nothing happened one page would do , not 7. [:D]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:26 pm
by AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: Lecivius
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
My big thing is that I am totally embarrassed to have a 7-page long AAR report with no action. Maybe it comes from my Navy days.
Makes me wonder if we were in the same Navy. I remember mountains of paperwork getting pushed around just to do an HI exercise.
Many points here I agree to. However (there is ALWAYS some smart ass that says that! [:D])
I would run tankers from DEI to Oz, then run the short legged ones back to the DEI, and the long legged ones to Iran. You can never have enough of those big fellas. I hate to put them at risk.
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Lastly, I get the Cavite base force out asap. Load it amphib no supply & it leaves in 1 day. It keeps your subs from reloading from Manila if you run off with your AS support, but that base unit is gold in a port like Brisbane, with a small, overworked, repair yard.
I usually try to get Cavite out but given a choice between that unit and tenders , I'll take the tenders.
The problem with Darwin , is unless you have some of the off shore islands , and heavy fighter presence , the base will be heavily attacked. I'd stack troops , fuel and supplies , but that's about it. Like the real base, Darwin is very vulnerable.
It DOES make good bait. I'll often stash supplies and a couple of infantry divisions at Katherine. JFB's seldom RECON there , and when they see Darwin as MOSTLY under defended , they try for a quick grab....with very insufficient force.. [:D]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:51 pm
by rustysi
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Nah, its how you try to get some assets to safety. Same as using singles to try to 'blockade' run supplies to an isolated base if you wish. Its when they're used to precede an invasion or some such that I see it as a no-go.
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:03 pm
by AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: rustysi
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Nah, its how you try to get some assets to safety. Same as using singles to try to 'blockade' run supplies to an isolated base if you wish. Its when they're used to precede an invasion or some such that I see it as a no-go.
If it's gamey , well, did anyone tell the USN? Cause that's pretty much what they did. [:)]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:39 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: rustysi
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Nah, its how you try to get some assets to safety. Same as using singles to try to 'blockade' run supplies to an isolated base if you wish. Its when they're used to precede an invasion or some such that I see it as a no-go.
Hai!
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:09 pm
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: rustysi
As to The Thundering Herd, are you going to use single ship TF's? Some think it gamey, I think it fair in the first days of the war, with all the panic involved.
Nah, its how you try to get some assets to safety. Same as using singles to try to 'blockade' run supplies to an isolated base if you wish. Its when they're used to precede an invasion or some such that I see it as a no-go.
Hai!
Have you tried painting their decks to resemble geisha girls?
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:30 am
by AW1Steve
I've just found out that apparently Geoff and I have a "plan". This is news to me, as I haven't had any communications in a week from Geoff. And I learned of this by reading his AAR. I have some real doubts about wanting to potentially dedicate a year or more of time and effort to a PBEM where my opponent notifies me last of anything. We live 26 miles away from each other , but I've had no phone calls, meetings or even emails , and always seem to be the last one to find anything out. Apparently my opponent thinks I live on the dark side of the moon. I'm very seriously considering this PBEM to be a colossal and not very funny joke on me. [:(]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:43 am
by Mike McCreery
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
I've just found out that apparently Geoff and I have a "plan". This is news to me, as I haven't had any communications in a week from Geoff. And I learned of this by reading his AAR. I have some real doubts about wanting to potentially dedicate a year or more of time and effort to a PBEM where my opponent notifies me last of anything. We live 26 miles away from each other , but I've had no phone calls, meetings or even emails , and always seem to be the last one to find anything out. Apparently my opponent thinks I live on the dark side of the moon. I'm very seriously considering this PBEM to be a colossal and not very funny joke on me. [:(]
Your time may be better spent talking directly to your potential opponent. Have you tried to set up a meeting? Complaining about it to 3rd parties is not going to resolve your issues.
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:21 am
by AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: Wargmr
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
I've just found out that apparently Geoff and I have a "plan". This is news to me, as I haven't had any communications in a week from Geoff. And I learned of this by reading his AAR. I have some real doubts about wanting to potentially dedicate a year or more of time and effort to a PBEM where my opponent notifies me last of anything. We live 26 miles away from each other , but I've had no phone calls, meetings or even emails , and always seem to be the last one to find anything out. Apparently my opponent thinks I live on the dark side of the moon. I'm very seriously considering this PBEM to be a colossal and not very funny joke on me. [:(]
Your time may be better spent talking directly to your potential opponent. Have you tried to set up a meeting? Complaining about it to 3rd parties is not going to resolve your issues.
Tried repeatedly. Failed. I'm not complaining (as that achieves nothing) so much a back briefing and explaining to those who've followed this an other threads exactly why this whole sticky mess has gone off the rails. They deserve an explanation why I'm looking at pulling the plug. [:(]
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:28 am
by Mike McCreery
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: Wargmr
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
I've just found out that apparently Geoff and I have a "plan". This is news to me, as I haven't had any communications in a week from Geoff. And I learned of this by reading his AAR. I have some real doubts about wanting to potentially dedicate a year or more of time and effort to a PBEM where my opponent notifies me last of anything. We live 26 miles away from each other , but I've had no phone calls, meetings or even emails , and always seem to be the last one to find anything out. Apparently my opponent thinks I live on the dark side of the moon. I'm very seriously considering this PBEM to be a colossal and not very funny joke on me. [:(]
Your time may be better spent talking directly to your potential opponent. Have you tried to set up a meeting? Complaining about it to 3rd parties is not going to resolve your issues.
Tried repeatedly. Failed. I'm not complaining (as that achieves nothing) so much a back briefing and explaining to those who've followed this an other threads exactly why this whole sticky mess has gone off the rails. They deserve an explanation why I'm looking at pulling the plug. [:(]
Fair enough, some relationships dont work out. Tell him that it is you, not him and move on
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:16 am
by dave sindel
ORIGINAL: Wargmr
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
ORIGINAL: Wargmr
Your time may be better spent talking directly to your potential opponent. Have you tried to set up a meeting? Complaining about it to 3rd parties is not going to resolve your issues.
Tried repeatedly. Failed. I'm not complaining (as that achieves nothing) so much a back briefing and explaining to those who've followed this an other threads exactly why this whole sticky mess has gone off the rails. They deserve an explanation why I'm looking at pulling the plug. [:(]
Fair enough, some relationships dont work out. Tell him that it is you, not him and move on
I'd bet I'm not alone in expressing disappointment that this game might never happen now. I was really looking forward to seeing you and the Gorn get after each other.
RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:52 am
by Lecivius
I came across this, wasn't sure which AAR to post it in...

RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:00 pm
by AW1Steve
Apparently I need a new avatar.....[:(]

RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:03 pm
by Lecivius
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RE: Off to see the lizard.....
Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:10 pm
by Xargun
ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
Apparently I need a new avatar.....[:(]
ohhhhhhhh candy....