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ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak


Cinematic depiction of my rant:

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

ORIGINAL: aaffins

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

IRL, wasn't CL Perth sailing as part of a US TF when it was sunk? Ditto for CA Canberra! Maybe that's the real reason why it is a no-no in his game - sailing with the USN is bad joss!

RAN and USN ships sailed together all the time in SoPac and SWPAC. In ADBA toss in the RN and Dutch as well. Mixing it up has plenty of historical basis.

Cheers,
CB

ORIGINAL: aaffins

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

We've got logistics coming out of ears!

End of March, 1942 updates...here's the aircraft losses so far. I think these are in our favor.

And here's the ships sunk report. This is clearly not great for us.

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: aaffins

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

IRL, wasn't CL Perth sailing as part of a US TF when it was sunk? Ditto for CA Canberra! Maybe that's the real reason why it is a no-no in his game - sailing with the USN is bad joss!

Yes, Perth was with Houston for their final dance in the Sunda Strait.
After Coral Sea, the RAN cruisers and modern destroyers were regularly embedded in 7th Fleet task forces.

Here is an example of TF44:
At the start of May, the Americans learned of an imminent Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, and Hobart was sent with HMAS Australia to rendezvous with United States forces in the Coral Sea. At 07:00 on 7 May, Rear Admiral Crace, embarked aboard Australia as commander of Task Force 44, was ordered to take his ships (Australia, Hobart, US cruiser Chicago, and US destroyers Perkins, Walke, and Farragut) to the Jomard Passage, and engage any Japanese ships found en route to Port Moresby, while several US carrier groups engaged a Japanese force headed for the Solomon Islands.

My overall thinking is that this is kind of a weird game. To this point we haven't really felt truly stretched or pushed, but by the same token here we are barely into March of '42 and he's got us at a 2.5:1 VP ratio. Our opponent takes great care with his capital ships. I don't feel I'm a particularly conservative players and Cheesesteak definitely is not, but there just haven't been many good opportunities to do damage.

I'm eager to see if our opponent will launch an aggressive move before the amphib bonus expires. He will have Soerbaja wrapped up in the next week or so. Then he'll have quite a significant number of troops available.

Ever heard of the ABDA command, Dutch naval admiral in charge of Dutch, US, OZ and US ships? It didn't work out all that well.

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: aaffins

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

IRL, wasn't CL Perth sailing as part of a US TF when it was sunk? Ditto for CA Canberra! Maybe that's the real reason why it is a no-no in his game - sailing with the USN is bad joss!

Yes, Perth was with Houston for their final dance in the Sunda Strait.
After Coral Sea, the RAN cruisers and modern destroyers were regularly embedded in 7th Fleet task forces.

Here is an example of TF44:
At the start of May, the Americans learned of an imminent Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, and Hobart was sent with HMAS Australia to rendezvous with United States forces in the Coral Sea. At 07:00 on 7 May, Rear Admiral Crace, embarked aboard Australia as commander of Task Force 44, was ordered to take his ships (Australia, Hobart, US cruiser Chicago, and US destroyers Perkins, Walke, and Farragut) to the Jomard Passage, and engage any Japanese ships found en route to Port Moresby, while several US carrier groups engaged a Japanese force headed for the Solomon Islands.

So, to clarify, Cheesesteak is excoriating me for having a TF with essentially the same composition as historical TF 44.

TF44 under command RADM Crace, RN at that!
Crace doesn’t have the best stats in game, and the TF would probably default to USN command with a US CA in it.

ORIGINAL: aaffins


So, to clarify, Cheesesteak is excoriating me for having a TF with essentially the same composition as historical TF 44.

1) Don't ever look for logic in my commentary
2) If one more of our CAs or CLs goes out without 2-3 DDs per cruiser, there may be a friendly fire incident in our next soccer game.

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: aaffins

The Perth and the Australia were sailing with the US CA Louisville and US DDs. This apparently is a mortal sin.

I also hope everyone appreciates the irony of a guy who makes the theme of his AAR Kelly's Heroes kvetching about logistics.

We've got logistics coming out of ears!

He came very, very close to stealing that movie right out from under Eastwood and Sutherland.

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: aaffins


So, to clarify, Cheesesteak is excoriating me for having a TF with essentially the same composition as historical TF 44.

1) Don't ever look for logic in my commentary
2) If one more of our CAs or CLs goes out without 2-3 DDs per cruiser, there may be a friendly fire incident in our next soccer game.

Which one of you is Kieron Dyer / Lee Bowyer?

Hey he kick the ball/s.

ORIGINAL: aaffins

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy



IRL, wasn't CL Perth sailing as part of a US TF when it was sunk? Ditto for CA Canberra! Maybe that's the real reason why it is a no-no in his game - sailing with the USN is bad joss!

Yes, Perth was with Houston for their final dance in the Sunda Strait.
After Coral Sea, the RAN cruisers and modern destroyers were regularly embedded in 7th Fleet task forces.

Here is an example of TF44:
At the start of May, the Americans learned of an imminent Japanese invasion of Port Moresby, and Hobart was sent with HMAS Australia to rendezvous with United States forces in the Coral Sea. At 07:00 on 7 May, Rear Admiral Crace, embarked aboard Australia as commander of Task Force 44, was ordered to take his ships (Australia, Hobart, US cruiser Chicago, and US destroyers Perkins, Walke, and Farragut) to the Jomard Passage, and engage any Japanese ships found en route to Port Moresby, while several US carrier groups engaged a Japanese force headed for the Solomon Islands.

So, to clarify, Cheesesteak is excoriating me for having a TF with essentially the same composition as historical TF 44.

First of all you guys need to work out some Allied doctrine and stop playing Helfrich vs Wavell vs Hart in the ABDA.

Secondly, judging by your sunk ship list it's probably best to back off until you have a clear idea of what's coming before committing any more of your CA/CL regardless of nationality or TF composition.

A good rule is matching gun caliber and range. Sister ships are perfect of course to sail together, but even ships of different nationality and type can work well if they're matched for modernity, speed, gun range, torpedo range and especially if you're adding one due to something special like surface radar or AA package.

At night you might consider smaller TFs, so actually a greater high/low mix of cruisers/DD. I often use 3-4 CA/CL with 4 DD for night engagements as eight total has been shown to be more efficient (about this many actually engage effectively at night but rarely more) and then you can have more total TFs as well to wear down the opponents.

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: aaffins


So, to clarify, Cheesesteak is excoriating me for having a TF with essentially the same composition as historical TF 44.

1) Don't ever look for logic in my commentary
2) If one more of our CAs or CLs goes out without 2-3 DDs per cruiser, there may be a friendly fire incident in our next soccer game.

Which one of you is Kieron Dyer / Lee Bowyer?

Prolly Dyer here.

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak

ORIGINAL: jdsrae

ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak




1) Don't ever look for logic in my commentary
2) If one more of our CAs or CLs goes out without 2-3 DDs per cruiser, there may be a friendly fire incident in our next soccer game.

Which one of you is Kieron Dyer / Lee Bowyer?

Prolly Dyer here.

Agreed, I'm much closer to Bowyer

Is that a bunch of refs fighting?