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ORIGINAL: pad152

Dutch T.IVa - Aircraft Type

How come this aircraft is listed as a Torpedo bomber and not a Float Plane?

reff:
http://pub131.ezboard.com/fjpspanzersfr ... =467.topic

My guess would be that a float plane cannot conduct a strike mission. Indicating it as a torp bomber will let it do Naval Attack.

Penguin should have a classification of PG rather than MSW.

Her history at DANFS during 20s and 30s looks pretty much more like one of the China gunboats rather than a minesweeper.

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Recommissioned 13 October 1923, she was fitted out for temporary service as a gunboat and assigned to the Asiatic Fleet. Sailing west she took up duties as a Yangtze Patrol vessel, operating out of Shanghai. She remained on China station until the end of the decade, then sailed to Cavite, whence she steamed to Guam, where she was homeported for the last years of her naval career.

During the thirties, she performed various services for the administrators of Guam, including patrol and rescue missions in areas traversed by the newly established transpacific air routes. However, with increased political tension in the Far East, and increased possibilities for war, her patrol duties were stepped up and took on a more defensive posture.

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Regards,
F.

Caranorn,

Although Joslen is an excellent starting point, or primer, it does not include the organization of Commonwealth formations, or the nebulous organizational issues with the units in the Far East. To expand the knowledge of British and Commonwealth formations, especially in the Pacific Theater, I would suggest the following books:

George Forty, "British Army Handbook - 1939-1945."

Chris Ellis and Peter Chamberlain, "Handbook on the British Army 1943."

TM 30-410, "Handbook on the British Army...."

Mark Bevis, "British and Commonwealth Armies 1939-1943."
"British and Commonwealth Armies 1944-1945."

Malcolm Bellis, "Regiments of the British Army 1939-1945 (Armour and Infantry)"
"Regiments of the British Army 1939-1945 (Artillery)"
"Divisions of the British Army 1939-1945"
"British Tanks and Formations 1939-1945"

Chris Kempton, "Loyalty & Honour’’ - The Indian Army: September 1939 - August 1947." 3 Volumes - Divisions; Brigades; Higher Formations, Deployment, Forces & Columns

David Hughes, "The British Armies of the Second World War: An Organizational History."
10 Volumes currently published - covers all Commonwealth formations with TOEs and OoBs.

Obviously, there are numerous other titles, but this would be a good starting point. After you've digested all of this, then there are the Official Histories - the US "Green Book" series, and the Australian and New Zealand Official Histories are particularly good. I'm currently trying to find my set of "The War Against Japan," the British Official History - they're buried in storage somewhere. The official histories will give you an overview of the significant actions, and in alot of cases, some TOE and OoB information. The Indian Official History is 24 volumes - more than I care to delve into at this time - LOL

Hope this helps,

Brad

ORIGINAL: Herrbear

Dutch T.IVa - Aircraft Type

How come this aircraft is listed as a Torpedo bomber and not a Float Plane?

My guess would be that a float plane cannot conduct a strike mission. Indicating it as a torp bomber will let it do Naval Attack.

Herrbear

There is no such thing as a strike mission and float planes can conduct naval attacks (at lease when under player control).

Wouldn't it be better to have Langley as a CVE (without aircraft but with 30-40 capacity) at the start of the game (december 1941)? She still had more then half her flight deck and was used to transport aircraft (which AV cannot do in WitP). She had a capacity of at least 30 planes, probably more, IIRC she had at least 24 fighters on board when she was finally sunk.

Marc aka Caran...

ORIGINAL: Caranorn

Wouldn't it be better to have Langley as a CVE (without aircraft but with 30-40 capacity) at the start of the game (december 1941)? She still had more then half her flight deck and was used to transport aircraft (which AV cannot do in WitP). She had a capacity of at least 30 planes, probably more, IIRC she had at least 24 fighters on board when she was finally sunk.

Marc aka Caran...

90% of the time she is the main target and is sunk no matter what you do to try and salvage her. Must be a game target priority for historical reasons (like the British BB/BC & the Lex)

Um, what is up with the turret armour on the American NCLs? The 312 rating is just a tad high. They had 3" roofs & sides, 5" faces and 4" barbettes. That is about a 175 rating if i am reading your system correctly.

Mike

whats an NCL

ORIGINAL: The Dude

whats an NCL

New Light Cruisers designed for the Federation. The old sub light cruisers rebuilt for warp operations were getting long in the tooth.

Yes! Actually, i meant the St Louis, Brooklyn, Cleveland classes.

I think Matrix should make Federation & Empire into a computer game. That was one game made to be on the computer.

Mike

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: The Dude

whats an NCL

New Light Cruisers designed for the Federation. The old sub light cruisers rebuilt for warp operations were getting long in the tooth.

Wooo! GO Starfleet Battles and Starfleet Command!

Totally love SFB. Kzinti's were my babies as no one else would play them. Almost useless but I love a challenge.

Federation Space would make a great little game on the PC.

ORIGINAL: Lemurs!

Yes! Actually, i meant the St Louis, Brooklyn, Cleveland classes.

I think Matrix should make Federation & Empire into a computer game. That was one game made to be on the computer.

Mike

I never noticed the armour gaff. Just assumed they were correct as they made it through the UV forums. Same with New Mexico 14"/45s. Never assume!!![;)]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: Caranorn

Wouldn't it be better to have Langley as a CVE (without aircraft but with 30-40 capacity) at the start of the game (december 1941)? She still had more then half her flight deck and was used to transport aircraft (which AV cannot do in WitP). She had a capacity of at least 30 planes, probably more, IIRC she had at least 24 fighters on board when she was finally sunk.

Marc aka Caran...

90% of the time she is the main target and is sunk no matter what you do to try and salvage her. Must be a game target priority for historical reasons (like the British BB/BC & the Lex)

Well she can survive (I get her out to Australia almost every game, you just have to know when to make the run and how).

But the main question is, should she be an AV or a CVE? Her official rating in 1941 was AV, but her ability was much more then that, and the allies could use that transport capacity early on?

Marc aka Caran...

P.S.: Err. doesn't this topic say something along the lines of no long drawn out discussions? I refer to the of topic starships. I won't talk of the Brooklyn's, while I love those ships I don't know enough of them (I feel they did not get to play the role in history they deserved, huge potential aparently wasted).

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker


I never noticed the armour gaff. Just assumed they were correct as they made it through the UV forums. Same with New Mexico 14"/45s. Never assume!!![;)]

Sorry about that, Ron--I didn't really participate in the forums during beta testing, except to occasionally check on the game's ETA, as I went back to school full-time last year (have only played one turn since fall semester started two weeks ago. [:(]) I just happened to notice that the Mississippi's guns were 14"/45s when I was looking at her flak, but I thought I remembered their being 14"/50s in Seekrieg 4. So I did some research on the web and found out that Seekrieg 4 was correct. So if anyone gives you a hard time about that one, you can just blame it on me for falling down on the job of fact-checking. [:)]


[edited for quoting mistake [>:] ]

Data Collected.


Post your comment/suggestion then take the discussion elsewhere.

This thread is for the Official Scenarios only #1 thru #16 only

Hey Pry, TY for all the work, their is a stagering amount of info hear and I appricate you looking at it all.

Scenario 15 1.21

Idaho's delay should be 420131

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/battleships/idaho/bb42-ida.html

Scenario 15 1.21

55th Fighter Group

This unit eventually was sent to Europe--it really shouldn't be available to transfer to the Pacific. One squadron, though, the 54th Fighter Squadron, was transferred to Alaska Command and fought in the Aleutians. The 55th was one of the first P-38 groups. Technically, they should get P-38Es in early 1942, but I don't expect the design will be altered to accomodate such a small unit that didn't even shoot down a Japanese plane until August 1942

http://www.web-birds.com/8th/55/55th.htm

http://afhra.maxwell.af.mil/wwwroot/rso/squadrons_flights_pages/0054fs.html

[edited to include link to 55th FG info.]

After some researc (again connected with my WPO mod), I have determined that in game the USS Arkansas uses the wrong gun.

The 12"/50 Cal Mk8 gun in the game was a totally new design made for the Alaska Class CBs. It was designed to achieve a 39,000 yard range, while firing the same shell used by the Arkansas. The USS Arkansas should be equipped with an older 12in/50 Mk7 Gun. This was the last 12 inch gun built by the US until the new design, which was called the Mk 8. FOr the Mk 7 gun, the max range should only be 34 or 35,000 yards, NOT the 39,000 of the Mk 8 gun.