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Next on the upgrade list is the Hawkins-class.

[4620 Effingham - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 58,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 29.75 knots
.B Main armament: 9 x 6-inch (152mm), 4 x 4-inch (102mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 12,514 tons
.B Thickest armour: 3-inches (belt)
.P The cruisers of the Cavendish-class originally numbered six ships. They
were designed in 1915 specifically to meet the threat posed by German commerce
raiders.
.P Five ships were laid down between 1916 and 1918 - the sixth was never ordered
- but the ending of the First World War meant that completion was slower than
normal and indeed one of the ships - Cavendish - was to go through a number of
conversions during her life, was but never to be finished as a cruiser. The
remaining four ships - henceforth known as the Hawkins-class - were completed
between 1919 and 1925 and were finished to different specifications. The
technical details above are as Effingham appeared in September 1939.
.P World In Flames allows the Commonwealth player three of the ships - Effingham,
Frobisher and Hawkins - as the fourth, Raleigh, was wrecked in 1922 after running
aground.
.P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 standard displacement.
.P The ships were originally fitted with seven, single 7.5-inch guns, two
forward, three aft and two amidships either side of the aft funnel. Secondary
armament consisted of four, single 3-inch guns. Both submerged and above-the-
waterline torpedo tubes were also mounted.
.P At the 1930 London Naval Conference, in a bid to stop the building of 8-inch
gunned cruisers, Britain agreed to demilitarise the Hawkins-class ships. Whilst
Hawkins and Frobisher had their armament removed by 1937, it was decided to
convert Effingham at the same time to a "light" cruiser i.e. she was given a
6-inch main armament. She was fitted with nine, single 6-inch guns. Her secondary
armament consisted of four twin 4-inch anti-aircraft (AA) guns. A catapult was
added at this time too.
.P Neither of her sisters received the same treatment. For Hawkins it was a case
of re-fitting her seven 7.5-inch guns and providing her with four, single 4-inch
AA guns. But Frobisher took longer to convert back due to other priorities, and
it was not until February 1942 that she was ready for service once more, armed
with five, single 7.5-inch guns and a similar number of 4-inch AA weapons. Note
that Frobisher starts the Global War scenario in the repair pool to reflect the
fact that she was not ready at the start of the war. Close-range AA weaponry
differed from ship to ship, but a variable number of 2-pdr pompoms and 20mm guns
were provided to the three vessels.
.P Both Effingham and Frobisher were oil-burning originally, but Hawkins had a
coal and oil mix for greater flexibility when operating overseas. She was
converted to oil only during her re-armament work.
.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her stacks were trunked into one. The speed of each ship was
between 29 and 31 knots.
.P Defensive armour for the Hawkins-class was similar to their contemporaries,
with a belt of 3-inches at its maximum thickness, and a 1.5-inch armoured deck
covering the vital areas.
.P The class were named after famous Elizabethan-era sea captains.

P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 standard displacement.

"10,000 standard displacement"

What kind of displacement BRT, GRT, Long tons, or Tons?

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Next on the upgrade list is the Hawkins-class.

[4620 Effingham - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 58,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 29.75 knots
.B Main armament: 9 x 6-inch (152mm), 4 x 4-inch (102mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 12,514 tons
.B Thickest armour: 3-inches (belt)
.P The cruisers of the Cavendish-class originally numbered six ships. They
were designed in 1915 specifically to meet the threat posed by German commerce
raiders.
.P Five ships were laid down between 1916 and 1918 - the sixth was never ordered
- but the ending of the First World War meant that completion was slower than
normal and indeed one of the ships - Cavendish - was to go through a number of
conversions during her life, was but never to be finished as a cruiser. The
remaining four ships - henceforth known as the Hawkins-class - were completed
between 1919 and 1925 and were finished to different specifications. The
technical details above are as Effingham appeared in September 1939.
.P World In Flames allows the Commonwealth player three of the ships - Effingham,
Frobisher and Hawkins - as the fourth, Raleigh, was wrecked in 1922 after running
aground.
.P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 standard displacement.
.P The ships were originally fitted with seven, single 7.5-inch guns, two
forward, three aft and two amidships either side of the aft funnel. Secondary
armament consisted of four, single 3-inch guns. Both submerged and above-the-
waterline torpedo tubes were also mounted.
.P At the 1930 London Naval Conference, in a bid to stop the building of 8-inch
gunned cruisers, Britain agreed to demilitarise the Hawkins-class ships. Whilst
Hawkins and Frobisher had their armament removed by 1937, it was decided to
convert Effingham at the same time to a "light" cruiser i.e. she was given a
6-inch main armament. She was fitted with nine, single 6-inch guns. Her secondary
armament consisted of four twin 4-inch anti-aircraft (AA) guns. A catapult was
added at this time too.
.P Neither of her sisters received the same treatment. For Hawkins it was a case
of re-fitting her seven 7.5-inch guns and providing her with four, single 4-inch
AA guns. But Frobisher took longer to convert back due to other priorities, and
it was not until February 1942 that she was ready for service once more, armed
with five, single 7.5-inch guns and a similar number of 4-inch AA weapons. Note
that Frobisher starts the Global War scenario in the repair pool to reflect the
fact that she was not ready at the start of the war. Close-range AA weaponry
differed from ship to ship, but a variable number of 2-pdr pompoms and 20mm guns
were provided to the three vessels.
.P Both Effingham and Frobisher were oil-burning originally, but Hawkins had a
coal and oil mix for greater flexibility when operating overseas. She was
converted to oil only during her re-armament work.
.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her stacks were trunked into one. The speed of each ship was
between 29 and 31 knots.
.P Defensive armour for the Hawkins-class was similar to their contemporaries,
with a belt of 3-inches at its maximum thickness, and a 1.5-inch armoured deck
covering the vital areas.
.P The class were named after famous Elizabethan-era sea captains.

P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 standard displacement.

"10,000 standard displacement"

What kind of displacement BRT, GRT, Long tons, or Tons?

Warspite1

Good spot - will add in [:)]

Mmmm - a bit more of a tidy-up req'd - sorry.

[4627 Hawkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 60,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 30 knots
.B Main armament: 7 x 7.5-inch (191mm), 4 x 4-inch (102mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 13,160 tons
.B Thickest armour: 3-inches (belt)
.P The cruisers of the Cavendish-class originally numbered six ships. They
were designed in 1915 specifically to meet the threat posed by German commerce
raiders.
.P Five ships were laid down between 1916 and 1918, while the sixth was never
ordered. The end of the First World War meant that completion of the remaining
five was slower than normal and indeed one of the ships - Cavendish - was to go
through a number of conversions during her life, and was never completed as a
cruiser. The remaining four ships - henceforth known as the Hawkins-class - were
completed between 1919 and 1925 and were finished to different specifications.
The technical details above are as Hawkins appeared in early 1940 (see below).
.P World In Flames allows the Commonwealth player three of the ships - Effingham,
Frobisher and Hawkins - as the fourth, Raleigh, was wrecked in 1922 after running
aground.
.P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 tons standard displacement.
.P The ships were originally fitted with seven, single 7.5-inch guns, two
forward, three aft and two amidships either side of the aft funnel. Secondary
armament consisted of four, single 3-inch guns. Both submerged and above-the-
waterline torpedo tubes were also mounted.
.P At the 1930 London Naval Conference, in a bid to stop the building of 8-inch
gunned cruisers, Britain agreed to demilitarise the Hawkins-class ships. Whilst
Hawkins and Frobisher had their armament removed by 1937, it was decided to
convert Effingham at the same time to a "light" cruiser i.e. she was given a
6-inch main armament. She was fitted with nine, single 6-inch guns. Her secondary
armament was altered to four, twin 4-inch anti-aircraft (AA) guns. A catapult was
added at this time too.
.P Neither of her sisters received the same treatment. For Hawkins it was a case
of re-fitting her seven 7.5-inch guns and providing her with four, single 4-inch
AA guns. But Frobisher took longer to convert back due to other priorities, and
it was not until February 1942 that she was ready for service once more, armed
with five, single 7.5-inch guns and a similar number of 4-inch AA weapons. Note
that Frobisher starts the Global War scenario in the repair pool to reflect the
fact that she was not ready at the start of the war. Close-range AA weaponry
differed from ship to ship, but a variable number of 2-pdr pompoms and 20mm guns
were provided to the three vessels.
.P Both Effingham and Frobisher were oil-burning originally, but Hawkins had a
coal and oil mix for greater flexibility when operating overseas. She was
converted to oil only during her re-armament work.
.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her stacks were trunked into one. The maximum speed of each
ship was between 29 and 31 knots.
.P Defensive armour for the Hawkins-class was similar to their contemporaries,
with a belt of 3-inches at its maximum thickness, and a 1.5-inch armoured deck
covering the vital areas.
.P The class were named after famous Elizabethan-era sea captains.

4627 Hawkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 60,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 30 knots
.B Main armament: 7 x 7.5-inch (191mm), 4 x 4-inch (102mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 13,160 tons
.B Thickest armour: 3-inches (belt)
.P The cruisers of the Cavendish-class originally numbered six ships. They
were designed in 1915 specifically to meet the threat posed by German commerce
raiders.
.P Five ships were laid down between 1916 and 1918, while the sixth was never
ordered. The end of the First World War meant that completion of the remaining
five was slower than normal and indeed one of the ships - Cavendish - was to go
through a number of conversions during her life, and was never completed as a
cruiser. The remaining four ships - henceforth known as the Hawkins-class - were
completed between 1919 and 1925 and were finished to different specifications.
The technical details above are as Hawkins appeared in early 1940 (see below).
.P World In Flames allows the Commonwealth player three of the ships - Effingham,
Frobisher and Hawkins - as the fourth, Raleigh, was wrecked in 1922 after running
aground.
.P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 tons standard displacement.
.P The ships were originally fitted with seven, single 7.5-inch guns, two
forward, three aft and two amidships either side of the aft funnel. Secondary
armament consisted of four, single 3-inch guns. Both submerged and above-the-
waterline torpedo tubes were also mounted.
.P At the 1930 London Naval Conference, in a bid to stop the building of 8-inch
gunned cruisers, Britain agreed to demilitarise the Hawkins-class ships. Whilst
Hawkins and Frobisher had their armament removed by 1937, it was decided to
convert Effingham at the same time to a "light" cruiser i.e. she was given a
6-inch main armament. She was fitted with nine, single 6-inch guns. Her secondary
armament was altered to four, twin 4-inch anti-aircraft (AA) guns. A catapult was
added at this time too.
.P Neither of her sisters received the same treatment. For Hawkins it was a case
of re-fitting her seven 7.5-inch guns and providing her with four, single 4-inch
AA guns. But Frobisher took longer to convert back due to other priorities, and
it was not until February 1942 that she was ready for service once more, armed
with five, single 7.5-inch guns and a similar number of 4-inch AA weapons. Note
that Frobisher starts the Global War scenario in the repair pool to reflect the
fact that she was not ready at the start of the war. Close-range AA weaponry
differed from ship to ship, but a variable number of 2-pdr pompoms and 20mm guns
were provided to the three vessels.
.P Both Effingham and Frobisher were oil-burning originally, but Hawkins had a
coal and oil mix for greater flexibility when operating overseas. She was
converted to oil only during her re-armament work.
.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her stacks were trunked into one. The maximum speed of each
ship was between 29 and 31 knots.
.P Defensive armour for the Hawkins-class was similar to their contemporaries,
with a belt of 3-inches at its maximum thickness, and a 1.5-inch armoured deck
covering the vital areas.
.P The class were named after famous Elizabethan-era sea captains.

.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her funnels were trunked into one. The maximum speed of each
ship was between 29 and 31 knots.

Use "funnels" or "stacks".

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Mmmm - a bit more of a tidy-up req'd - sorry.

[4627 Hawkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 60,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 30 knots
.B Main armament: 7 x 7.5-inch (191mm), 4 x 4-inch (102mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 13,160 tons
.B Thickest armour: 3-inches (belt)
.P The cruisers of the Cavendish-class originally numbered six ships. They
were designed in 1915 specifically to meet the threat posed by German commerce
raiders.
.P Five ships were laid down between 1916 and 1918, while the sixth was never
ordered. The end of the First World War meant that completion of the remaining
five was slower than normal and indeed one of the ships - Cavendish - was to go
through a number of conversions during her life, and was never completed as a
cruiser. The remaining four ships - henceforth known as the Hawkins-class - were
completed between 1919 and 1925 and were finished to different specifications.
The technical details above are as Hawkins appeared in early 1940 (see below).
.P World In Flames allows the Commonwealth player three of the ships - Effingham,
Frobisher and Hawkins - as the fourth, Raleigh, was wrecked in 1922 after running
aground.
.P When the first of the post-war naval treaties, designed to keep naval spending
in check, was held in 1922, the British were keen to retain these ships. It is
for this reason that the "treaty" or "heavy" cruiser upper limit was subsequently
set at 8-inch guns and 10,000 tons standard displacement.
.P The ships were originally fitted with seven, single 7.5-inch guns, two
forward, three aft and two amidships either side of the aft funnel. Secondary
armament consisted of four, single 3-inch guns. Both submerged and above-the-
waterline torpedo tubes were also mounted.
.P At the 1930 London Naval Conference, in a bid to stop the building of 8-inch
gunned cruisers, Britain agreed to demilitarise the Hawkins-class ships. Whilst
Hawkins and Frobisher had their armament removed by 1937, it was decided to
convert Effingham at the same time to a "light" cruiser i.e. she was given a
6-inch main armament. She was fitted with nine, single 6-inch guns. Her secondary
armament was altered to four, twin 4-inch anti-aircraft (AA) guns. A catapult was
added at this time too.
.P Neither of her sisters received the same treatment. For Hawkins it was a case
of re-fitting her seven 7.5-inch guns and providing her with four, single 4-inch
AA guns. But Frobisher took longer to convert back due to other priorities, and
it was not until February 1942 that she was ready for service once more, armed
with five, single 7.5-inch guns and a similar number of 4-inch AA weapons. Note
that Frobisher starts the Global War scenario in the repair pool to reflect the
fact that she was not ready at the start of the war. Close-range AA weaponry
differed from ship to ship, but a variable number of 2-pdr pompoms and 20mm guns
were provided to the three vessels.
.P Both Effingham and Frobisher were oil-burning originally, but Hawkins had a
coal and oil mix for greater flexibility when operating overseas. She was
converted to oil only during her re-armament work.
.P The ships had two funnels, although during modernisation, Effingham had two
boilers removed and her stacks were trunked into one. The maximum speed of each
ship was between 29 and 31 knots.
.P Defensive armour for the Hawkins-class was similar to their contemporaries,
with a belt of 3-inches at its maximum thickness, and a 1.5-inch armoured deck
covering the vital areas.
.P The class were named after famous Elizabethan-era sea captains.

Were there eight 4" guns in total or four?

ORIGINAL: Elsie93

Here are couple of naval writeups.

Where?[&:]

Re 4-inch AA

Effingham had 8; four twin
Hawkins had 4 single
Frobisher had 5 single

You have read the section on Effingham and not her sisters - although having said that, I see that Effingham also states 4 in the technical details - I have amended to 8 and referred to mounts not guns.

Next on the list for intoduction finalisation are the Queen Elizabeth-class:


[4604 Warspite]
.B Engine(s) output: 80,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 24 knots
.B Main armament: 8 x 15-inch (381mm) guns, 8 x 6-inch (152mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 36,096 tons
.B Thickest armour: 13-inches (belt)
.P The Queen Elizabeth-class numbered five battleships that were ordered for
the Royal Navy (RN) in 1912. All five ships were laid down prior to World War I,
and were completed during 1915/16. A sixth ship, Agincourt, was ordered in 1914
but was cancelled upon the outbreak of war.
.P At completion they were the most powerful battleships afloat. For their main
armament, they used a new, and at that time, untested, 15-inch gun that was to
prove a highly successful weapon. They were originally to have five twin turrets,
but the centre "Q" turret was left off the final design to allow space for extra
boilers. For their secondary armament, fourteen (sixteen in Queen Elizabeth)
6-inch guns were mounted, mostly in casemates. Anti-aircraft (AA) defence was
originally limited to just two, 3-inch high-angle guns. Rounding off the weapons
package were four, submerged, 21-inch torpedo tubes.
.P Defensive armour centred on a belt, 13-inches at its maximum thickness, while
deck armour was 2-inches over the magazines and 1-inch over the machinery spaces.
.P The battleships of the Queen Elizabeth-class were the first such RN ships to
use oil rather than coal. The removal of the fifth turret mentioned above allowed
room for additional boilers and thus an increase in top speed from 21 to 25
knots. These ships could be described as the first fast battleships, although in
practice, 23-24 knots was the highest speed that they could obtain. Even so this
class gave the RN the fast, well armoured battle squadron that it desired.
.P Four of the five ships: Warspite, Valiant, Barham and Malaya fought in the
fleet encounter at Jutland in May 1916 (Queen Elizabeth was undergoing a refit at
the time). While Barham and Malaya suffered relatively light damage during that
famous battle, Warspite was lucky to survive; she was hit by a staggering twenty-
nine shells after her steering jammed and she sailed straight for the
German battlefleet.
.P During the post-war period the battleship building holiday imposed by the 1922
Washington Naval Treaty meant that existing battleships needed to be modernised,
and the Queen Elizabeths benefitted from a limited modernisation program starting
with Warspite (1924) and ending with Barham (1934). Bulges were fitted to improve
underwater protection at this time and AA weaponry was increased; the 3-inch guns
being replaced with four, single 4-inch guns. Visually the ships were altered by
the trunking of the two funnels into one.
.P With the failure of the Japanese to ratify the 1936 London Naval Treaty,
three ships: Warspite, Valiant and Queen Elizabeth benefitted from further, and
more substantial, modernisation. This program started with Warspite and lasted
from 1934 to 1937. Work on Valiant was complete just after the outbreak of the
Second World War, but Queen Elizabeth was not ready for service until the end of
1940, Note: for this reason she appears in the Repair Pool in the World In Flames
Global War scenario. Improvements included the fitting of brand new, smaller and
lighter machinery which increased power and extended their range. The biggest
visual change was the addition of a completely new, modern looking bridge and
superstructure, as a result of which, these battleships became a remarkable
vision of new (superstructure) meets old (hull).
.P The main guns had their elevation increased to 30 degrees, appreciably
improving their range. Both secondary and close-range weapons were substantially
improved. As a result, Warspite retained just eight of her 6-inch casemated guns,
with the remainder being removed, and her four single 4-inch AA guns were
replaced with a similar number of twin mounts. Valiant and Queen Elizabeth had
all their 6-inch guns removed, and instead of a separate 4-inch AA battery, these
two ships were given twenty, dual-purpose 4.5-inch guns fitted in ten twin
mounts. All three battleships were given four, 8-barrel 2-pdr pompoms for close-
range AA defence. A catapult and a hanger that could carry two aircraft were also
fitted to each.
.P Belt armour remained the same, but the weak horizontal armour was greatly
increased, with a maximum thickness of 5.5-inches over the magazines and 3.5-
inches over the machinery spaces.
.P Unfortunately financial and resource constraints meant that Malaya and Barham
failed to receive the same level of upgrade and they entered World War II with
the benefit of neither new machinery nor new superstructure. The two ships did at
least receive improved levels of AA weaponry (both had four, twin 4-inch mounts
and two 8-barrelled 2-pdr pompoms installed) and a limited increase in horizontal
protection over the vital machinery and magazine spaces.
.P The technical details above reflect how Warspite looked during World War II.
.P The names of the ships of the class had no common theme. Queen Elizabeth was
named after the Tudor Queen of England, Elizabeth I; Warspite, meaning "to
treat war with contempt" was originally used by the RN during Elizabeth's reign
in the 16th Century; Valiant was a typically bold name, the like of which the RN
used frequently on their capital ships; Barham was named after Admiral Charles
Middleton, Lord Barham, who was the First Sea Lord of the Admiralty during the
Napoleonic war; and finally Malaya was named after the British colony; the funds
for her construction having been paid for by the Malay government.

[4604 Warspite]
.B Engine(s) output: 80,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 24 knots
.B Main armament: 8 x 15-inch (381mm) guns, 8 x 6-inch (152mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 36,096 tons
.B Thickest armour: 13-inches (belt)
.P The Queen Elizabeth-class numbered five battleships that were ordered for
the Royal Navy (RN) in 1912. All five ships were laid down prior to World War I,
and were completed during 1915/16. A sixth ship, Agincourt, was ordered in 1914
but was cancelled upon the outbreak of war.
.P At completion they were the most powerful battleships afloat. For their main
armament, they used a new, and at that time, untested, 15-inch gun that was to
prove a highly successful weapon. They were originally to have five twin turrets,
but the centre "Q" turret was left off the final design to allow space for extra
boilers. For their secondary armament, fourteen (sixteen in Queen Elizabeth)
6-inch guns were mounted, mostly in casemates. Anti-aircraft (AA) defence was
originally limited to just two, 3-inch high-angle guns. Rounding off the weapons
package were four, submerged, 21-inch torpedo tubes.
.P Defensive armour centred on a belt, 13-inches at its maximum thickness, while
deck armour was 2-inches over the magazines and 1-inch over the machinery spaces.
.P The battleships of the Queen Elizabeth-class were the first such RN ships to
use oil rather than coal. The removal of the fifth turret mentioned above allowed
room for additional boilers and thus an increase in top speed from 21 to 25
knots. These ships could be described as the first fast battleships, although in
practice, 23-24 knots was the highest speed that they could obtain. Even so this
class gave the RN the fast, well armoured battle squadron that it desired.
.P Four of the five ships: Warspite, Valiant, Barham and Malaya fought in the
fleet encounter at Jutland in May 1916 (Queen Elizabeth was undergoing a refit at
the time). While Barham and Malaya suffered relatively light damage during that
famous battle, Warspite was lucky to survive; she was hit by a staggering twenty-
nine shells after her steering jammed and she sailed straight for the
German battlefleet.
.P During the post-war period the battleship building holiday imposed by the 1922
Washington Naval Treaty meant that existing battleships needed to be modernised,
and the Queen Elizabeths benefitted from a limited modernisation program starting
with Warspite (1924) and ending with Barham (1934). Bulges were fitted to improve
underwater protection at this time and AA weaponry was increased; the 3-inch guns
being replaced with four, single 4-inch guns. Visually the ships were altered by
the trunking of the two funnels into one.
.P With the failure of the Japanese to ratify the 1936 London Naval Treaty,
three ships: Warspite, Valiant and Queen Elizabeth benefitted from further, and
more substantial, modernisation. This program started with Warspite and lasted
from 1934 to 1937. Work on Valiant was complete just after the outbreak of the
Second World War, but Queen Elizabeth was not ready for service until the end of
1940, Note: for this reason she appears in the Repair Pool in the World In Flames
Global War scenario. Improvements included the fitting of brand new, smaller and
lighter machinery, which increased power and extended their range. The biggest
visual change was the addition of a completely new, modern looking bridge and
superstructure, as a result of which, these battleships became a remarkable
vision of new (superstructure) meets old (hull).
.P The main guns had their elevation increased to 30 degrees, appreciably
improving their range. Both secondary and close-range weapons were substantially
improved. As a result, Warspite retained just eight of her 6-inch casemated guns,
with the remainder being removed, and her four single 4-inch AA guns were
replaced with a similar number of twin mounts. Valiant and Queen Elizabeth had
all their 6-inch guns removed, and instead of a separate 4-inch AA battery, these
two ships were given twenty, dual-purpose 4.5-inch guns fitted in ten twin
mounts. All three battleships were given four, 8-barrel 2-pdr pompoms for close-
range AA defence. A catapult and a hanger that could carry two aircraft were also
fitted to each.
.P Belt armour remained the same, but the weak horizontal armour was greatly
increased, with a maximum thickness of 5.5-inches over the magazines and 3.5-
inches over the machinery spaces.
.P Unfortunately financial and resource constraints meant that Malaya and Barham
failed to receive the same level of upgrade and they entered World War II with
the benefit of neither new machinery nor new superstructure. The two ships did at
least receive improved levels of AA weaponry (both had four, twin 4-inch mounts
and two 8-barrelled 2-pdr pompoms installed) and a limited increase in horizontal
protection over the vital machinery and magazine spaces.
.P The technical details above reflect how Warspite looked during World War II.
.P The names of the ships of the class had no common theme. Queen Elizabeth was
named after the Tudor Queen of England, Elizabeth I; Warspite, meaning "to
treat war with contempt" was originally used by the RN during Elizabeth's reign
in the 16th Century; Valiant was a typically bold name, the like of which the RN
used frequently on their capital ships; Barham was named after Admiral Charles
Middleton, Lord Barham, who was the First Sea Lord of the Admiralty during the
Napoleonic war; and finally Malaya was named after the British colony; the funds
for her construction having been paid for by the Malay government.

just read this one ... and it is clearly wrong.

the Italians did not use 175.000 troops to invade British Somaliland

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

just read this one ... and it is clearly wrong.

the Italians did not use 175.000 troops to invade British Somaliland

Pleae post the entire write up for the AOI unit. The scroll bar indicates more information.

Also Your sorce showing what information is incorrect.


So we can compare with the original write up.

Please note Zeila, Odweina, and Hargeisa are in Somalia (French Somali Coast, Italian Somaliland, and British Somaliland).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_co ... Somaliland list the attacking Italian force at around 24,000 men.

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

just read this one ... and it is clearly wrong.

the Italians did not use 175.000 troops to invade British Somaliland

Pleae post the entire write up for the AOI unit. The scroll bar indicates more information.

Also Your sorce showing what information is incorrect.


So we can compare with the original write up.

Please note Zeila, Odweina, and Hargeisa are in Somalia (French Somali Coast, Italian Somaliland, and British Somaliland).

Not much was missing.

East African Campaign (World War II)

Italy Invades British Somaliland

British and Italian Campaign in East Africa, 1940-41

Perhaps it should have read "Had available".


But then again note only 2 of the 3 columns were used at Tug Argan.

Here's the final draft for the write-up for HMS Iron Duke.

[4585 Iron Duke]
.B Engine(s) output: 29,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 21.25 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 13.5-inch (343mm), 12 x 6-inch (152mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 30,380 tons
.B Thickest armour: 12-inches (belt), 2.5-inch (deck)
.P Four battleships of the Iron Duke-class were built for the Royal Navy (RN)
between 1912 and 1914. The ships - Iron Duke, Marlborough, Benbow and Emperor of
India - were essentially improved versions of the preceding King George V-class
(KGV).
.P For their main armament, these battleships were fitted with ten 13.5-inch guns
that were housed within five twin turrets. They were the first RN dreadnoughts
that featured a 6-inch, rather than a 4-inch, secondary armament. Twelve single
guns were mounted in casemates in the hull, six each side. The Iron Dukes were
also the first RN battleships to be fitted with an anti-aircraft (AA) defence;
two 3-inch guns were mounted for this purpose. Rounding off their weapons package
were four submerged 21-inch torpedo tubes.
.P Defensive armour was improved in comparison to the earlier KGV's. The main
belt was a maximum of 12-inches and deck armour was 2.5-inches at its thickest.
.P Machinery was similar to the KGV's, but at 21.25 knots the Iron Dukes could
boast a marginal improvement in top speed allied to an increased range.
.P There was no common theme to the naming of the four ships; two were named
after famous British Army commanders - Iron Duke in honour of Arthur Wellesley,
the Duke of Wellington and Marlborough after John Churchill, 1st Duke of
Marlborough. Benbow honoured John Benbow, the 17th century RN Admiral. The
Emperor of India was originally to have been named Delhi, but her name was
altered during construction in honour of King George V.
.P The Iron Dukes were excellent ships and gave good service during World War I.
Three of the four - including Iron Duke - were veterans of the fleet encounter at
Jutland in 1916 and all four ships of the class survived the war.
.P The four sisters were sent to the Mediterranean in 1919, from where they were
posted to the Black Sea to support White Russian forces during the Russian Civil
War.
.P However, by the late twenties they were already obsolete with faster and more
powerful ships having been built by the British, Americans and the Japanese since
their own launch in 1912/13. Two ships, Marlborough and Benbow, were scrapped in
1931 under the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty. The same fate awaited the
Emperor of India, although she was to be a target ship during firing tests
before meeting her end.
.P The only survivor was Iron Duke. She was de-militarised - she had two main
turrets removed along with her torpedo tubes and her speed was reduced to 18
knots due to the removal of some of her boilers - and turned initially into a
training ship.
.P At the outbreak of World War II Iron Duke was at Scapa Flow where she was used
as a base ship. While at anchor there, on the 17th October 1939, she was damaged
during an attack by four Ju-88's of KG30 and she had to be beached. She remained
there for the rest of the war.
.P Reflecting her de-militarised state in 1939, Iron Duke begins the World In
Flames Global War scenario in the Construction Pool. The Commonwealth player has
the choice of leaving her there or spending build points to bring her into a
limited serviceable condition.
.P Note: Iron Dukes' statistics above are as she appeared in World War I.
.P HMS Iron Duke was scrapped in 1948.

HMS Iron Duke checked. [:)]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

HMS Iron Duke checked. [:)]

Warspite1

Thank-you Extraneous.

[quote]ORIGINAL: warspite1

Here's the final draft for the write-up for HMS Iron Duke.

[4585 Iron Duke]
.B Engine(s) output: 29,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 21.25 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 13.5-inch (343mm), 12 x 6-inch (152mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 30,380 tons
.B Thickest armour: 12-inches (belt), 2.5-inch (deck)
.P Four battleships of the Iron Duke-class were built for the Royal Navy (RN)
between 1912 and 1914. The ships - Iron Duke, Marlborough, Benbow and Emperor of
India - were essentially improved versions of the preceding King George V-class
(KGV).





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Sorry if I am displaying my ignorance here but was HMS KGV not part of the Centurion class ?
The KGV class was not commissioned til 1939.

ORIGINAL: christo

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Here's the final draft for the write-up for HMS Iron Duke.

[4585 Iron Duke]
.B Engine(s) output: 29,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 21.25 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 13.5-inch (343mm), 12 x 6-inch (152mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 30,380 tons
.B Thickest armour: 12-inches (belt), 2.5-inch (deck)
.P Four battleships of the Iron Duke-class were built for the Royal Navy (RN)
between 1912 and 1914. The ships - Iron Duke, Marlborough, Benbow and Emperor of
India - were essentially improved versions of the preceding King George V-class
(KGV).





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Sorry if I am displaying my ignorance here but was HMS KGV not part of the Centurion class ?
The KGV class was not commissioned til 1939.

Having done more reading am I right that there are 2 classes of KGV battleships ?
Those commissioned in 1911 (KGV, Centurion, Audacious, Ajax) and the second world war (KGV, Prince of Wales, Duke of York, Howe, Anson).