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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 3:37 pm
by obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
ORIGINAL: obvert
Interesting thing: You see two pictures first is one made during replay lower picture after turn solution. As You can see Docup move and auto disband ships in Gorong. I am suspecting Surface Combat TF.
He could also have run combat ships in and they retreated after not finding combat. Depends on if your picture is before or after naval movement, but if it's after would they have already disbanded?
Picture is made during day PM phase. So they cant move. If he set Gorong as home base and order to auto disband, TF will always disband at end of day.
That makes sense.
Actually the last part is incorrect though. Or had been a few years ago during my first PBEM against Dan Nichols. He got many of the ships out of Pearl so my day two strike hit nothing but flak. They made it to other Hawaiian islands and disbanded before the air phase (obviously) or they would have been creamed.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:34 pm
by Lowpe
For ships to disband in port, they need to get there in the first naval movement phase, if they arrive after they won't disband until next turn.
I have lost several ships to this particular feature...[:D]
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:18 pm
by Mike McCreery
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
For ships to disband in port, they need to get there in the first naval movement phase, if they arrive after they won't disband until next turn.
I have lost several ships to this particular feature...[:D]
This would have been very helpful to know earlier. Thanks anyway!! I am sure it will come handy in the future.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:14 am
by obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
Picture is made during day PM phase. So they cant move. If he set Gorong as home base and order to auto disband, TF will always disband at end of day.
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
For ships to disband in port, they need to get there in the first naval movement phase, if they arrive after they won't disband until next turn.
I have lost several ships to this particular feature...[:D]
These two statements seem to be in conflict.
Could that 'TF' have been subs?
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:46 am
by koniu
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
Picture is made during day PM phase. So they cant move. If he set Gorong as home base and order to auto disband, TF will always disband at end of day.
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
For ships to disband in port, they need to get there in the first naval movement phase, if they arrive after they won't disband until next turn.
I have lost several ships to this particular feature...[:D]
These two statements seem to be in conflict.
Could that 'TF' have been subs?
1. Enemy ships could arrive there during night, so they can disband in base after day ends.
2. I almost sure they are not subs. I have 50 search planes there and 30 ASW planes in range. All search planes (6 or 7 reports where telling about surface ships TF so DL must be high), second none of ASW planes report sub contact in area.
3. I have ordered reckon of base so maybe tomorrow we will be smarter
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:54 pm
by koniu
hi, soon report about last turn - quiet before storm
What do You think about my avatar.
It was made by Obvert over Year ago but i newer use it.
Now if Obvert have nothing against i will
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:45 pm
by Lowpe
Your avatar is very nice...but I thought there would be an 8000 plane fight and the decisive battle![:D]
You should have released your avatar after another crushing victory!
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 1:48 pm
by veji1
ORIGINAL: koniu
hi, soon report about last turn - quiet before storm
What do You think about my avatar.
It was made by Obvert over Year ago but i newer use it.
Now if Obvert have nothing against i will
Very nice avatar.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:11 pm
by koniu
There was no battle but i can give You current situation
At night enemy CA SAG and Fletcher SAG clean Ambon waters.
No bombardment.
Enemy APA, AKA and all those landing crafts 1 hex south of Ambon
Probably landing tomorrow.
Major CV fleet 250miles south of Ambon.
On red You have my first version of plan for tomorrow
None of Japanese Ships is detected[8D]
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:01 pm
by Lowpe
He has a ton of bases to be flying search from [&:]....this looks about as good as it gets from a Japanese perspective.
Good luck!
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:37 pm
by obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
hi, soon report about last turn - quiet before storm
What do You think about my avatar.
It was made by Obvert over Year ago but i newer use it.
Now if Obvert have nothing against i will
Love it!! [:)]
I remember I was responding to your (borrowed) philosophy playing Japan;
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:41 pm
by koniu
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
He has a ton of bases to be flying search from [&:]....this looks about as good as it gets from a Japanese perspective.
Good luck!
Only reason why i park my ships like that was because i was sure allies dont find them.
Dont know how Docup is using his search planes, but it is bad how he is. He should use long range Catalina's there, especially during operation like that. From my experience (I use H8 and G3M3 as search planes) they are capable to detect enemy even from 15 hexes sometimes more.
I was able to detect his ships (only TF icon, no intel about ships and numbers) when they where near Marauke so from almost 25 hexes from Kendari and Ternate where my serch planes are based
Insted his search capability is ending on Kendari-Sorong line.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:43 pm
by koniu
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
hi, soon report about last turn - quiet before storm
What do You think about my avatar.
It was made by Obvert over Year ago but i newer use it.
Now if Obvert have nothing against i will
Love it!! [:)]
I remember I was responding to your (borrowed) philosophy playing Japan;
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee!"
Title of this AAR was suggested by Docup so philosophy of how i am playing is Docup idea
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:45 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: koniu
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
He has a ton of bases to be flying search from [&:]....this looks about as good as it gets from a Japanese perspective.
Good luck!
Only reason why i park my ships like that was because i was sure allies dont find them.
Dont know how Docup is using his search planes, but it is bad how he is. He should use long range Catalina's there, especially during operation like that. From my experience (I use H8 and G3M3 as search planes) they are capable to detect enemy even from 15 hexes sometimes more.
I was able to detect his ships (only TF icon, no intel about ships and numbers) when they where near Marauke so from almost 25 hexes from Kendari and Ternate where my serch planes are based
Insted his search capability are ending on Kendari-Sorong line.
I agree with you about search range, but more often on the forum I see reference to limiting groups to 12 hexes to limit ops losses on the theory that there isn't much detection beyond that range anyway. While that might be strictly true, you only need to get a search hit to know that something is going on, a very important early warning!
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:53 pm
by koniu
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: koniu
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
He has a ton of bases to be flying search from [&:]....this looks about as good as it gets from a Japanese perspective.
Good luck!
Only reason why i park my ships like that was because i was sure allies dont find them.
Dont know how Docup is using his search planes, but it is bad how he is. He should use long range Catalina's there, especially during operation like that. From my experience (I use H8 and G3M3 as search planes) they are capable to detect enemy even from 15 hexes sometimes more.
I was able to detect his ships (only TF icon, no intel about ships and numbers) when they where near Marauke so from almost 25 hexes from Kendari and Ternate where my serch planes are based
Insted his search capability are ending on Kendari-Sorong line.
I agree with you about search range, but more often on the forum I see reference to limiting groups to 12 hexes to limit ops losses on the theory that there isn't much detection beyond that range anyway. While that might be strictly true, you only need to get a search hit to know that something is going on, a very important early warning!
I have ops loses from flying long range search. It happens but for japan it is acceptable. But my experience show that most of loses for search planes is enemy CAP.
So far i lost 450 flying boats, only 140 is ops and 250 is A2A
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:37 pm
by obvert
I can fly Coronado groups to 21 hexes no problem, and I've gotten hits at around that range. I've only lost 1-2 so far in several months.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:56 am
by koniu
Turn send. It take me 3,5h, and on end i forgot to adjust subs patrol zones.
Now waiting
I don`t use all planes . In manila i leave 750 planes as tactical reserve. So only ~2300 will try to kill something tomorrow
PS. Last turn Tavoy hold another day. Docup is pushing but terrain, forts and high distribution of his forces giving him negative adjusted AV (1:4 last turn) and he is not able to push me out of base. I have ID 70miles from base, on major road they should arrive in 3-4 days.I hope i will hold long enough.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:29 am
by JocMeister
Ouch, poor Docup really dropped the ball on his search. If I were him I would have had at least 2 Cat squadrons flying from the base just west of Sorong. And as backup two more at Boela.
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:34 am
by obvert
Or, he has figured out that if he appears to be going all-in, then pulls back the turn that he looks like he's supposed to land, throws 50 subs in the approach paths and leaves 4-5 Fletcher TFs patrolling under LR CAP, maybe he'll save his CVs and amphibs this time ...
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:50 am
by koniu
ORIGINAL: obvert
Or, he has figured out that if he appears to be going all-in, then pulls back the turn that he looks like he's supposed to land, throws 50 subs in the approach paths and leaves 4-5 Fletcher TFs patrolling under LR CAP, maybe he'll save his CVs and amphibs this time ...
Don say things like that[:@]