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RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:30 am
by MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Both Pinellas (St. Petersburg) and Hillsborough (Tampa) counties just implemented 'stay at home orders' that allow non-essential businesses to remain open if they can conform to CDC recommendations for maintaining 6 feet of separation. It appears both counties are trying to avoid a complete shut down of non-essential businesses.

I had been sheltering at home since last Wednesday, but my employer asked me if I was up to coming back in. We are a very small 4 person architecture firm. One of my coworkers sits at a desk that backs up to mine and is less than three feet away, but she is out today. Not sure how my employer plans to make this work, but since I need the source of income, I'm back in the office this morning. The parking lot of the office building I work in is empty. We may be the only one's here......

Over the past 9 days at home, I left my house/yard only twice, both times for runs to grocery stores with half empty shelves.

Monday, my brother was sent across the state for a cabinet installation, and was scheduled for another out of town install, but that was canceled. Not sure how his employer is going to attempt to remain operational. They have more than 10 people and it would be almost impossible to conform to CDC guidelines.

I suspect that employers desperate to keep their businesses from going under, will skirt whatever guidelines they need to, and we employees desperate for income will place ourselves at risk to keep our jobs........



The cure may be worse than the disease.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:31 am
by Ian R
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
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Now, lead author Neil Ferguson has testified to a parliamentary committee that the U.K. death toll is unlikely to exceed 20,000 and could be much lower, reported the website New Scientist.

And more than half that number would have died anyway by the end of the year, because of their age and underlying illnesses, he told the panel on Wednesday."

So UK worst case is less than 10k. "and could be much lower".

How many die flu in the UK per annum?

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:31 am
by RangerJoe
I am in a relatively sparsely populated region but locally there are smaller towns fairly close together. There is at least one case within an hours drive from me. I went to a restaurant Wednesday night for a takeout of a delicious swiss and mushroom burger, the only guideline was to maintain 6 feet apart from other customers. Yesterday, they had installed plexiglass anti-cough shields. The pepperoni was delicious! The grocery store also install the plexiglass anti-cough shields and also had the 6 feet request between customers and staff. Hard to do when the pass you or you pass them.

I did not check out the medicine shop where they advertise "Beer, Vino, Spirits" which also sells tobacco products.

Stay safe and well.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:32 am
by MakeeLearn
US axed CDC expert job in China months before outbreak: Reuters

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 37595.html


"Several months before the Coronavirus pandemic began, the administration of US President Donald Trump eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing that was intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters news agency has learned.

The American disease expert Dr Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China's disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue."

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:36 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US axed CDC expert job in China months before outbreak: Reuters

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 37595.html


"Several months before the Coronavirus pandemic began, the administration of US President Donald Trump eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing that was intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters news agency has learned.

The American disease expert Dr Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China's disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue."

I read that. I also read where that would not have made a difference in the reporting of the Coronavirus situation.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:49 am
by Chickenboy
I know this news will hit Canoerebel hard. Sorry man. [:(]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/south-k ... cerns.html

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:53 am
by MakeeLearn
Where Coronavirus outbreak started in Washington state, officials see hope as cases appear to be leveling off
1.27.20

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/where ... li=BBnb7Kz

"KIRKLAND, Wash. —The suburban hospital that handled the first onslaught of Coronavirus patients weeks ago — a crush of seriously ill and dying nursing home residents that signaled the beginning of the national health crisis — is now offering cautious optimism to people across the United States who are searching for an end to the springtime nightmare: They believe they might have flattened the curve here. "

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:00 am
by Ian R
Sorry if you guys missed it but..., Australia has just introduced mandatory detention for returning citizens to advance containment.

Is this an over-reaction?

Discuss.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:11 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: Ian R

Sorry if you guys missed it but..., Australia has just introduced mandatory detention for returning citizens to advance containment.

Is this an over-reaction?

Discuss.

No.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:18 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Ian R

Sorry if you guys missed it but..., Australia has just introduced mandatory detention for returning citizens to advance containment.

Is this an over-reaction?

Discuss.

They're not the only ones. I think I've read similar edicts from China, Singapore, South Korea and other countries.

I think it was a week and a half ago that all Canadians returning from abroad were asked to self-quarantine upon return to Canada. Lots of 'snow birds' from Arizona will have to do that. Americans leaving the 'hot spot' of New York City have been asked to self-quarantine for 14 days too.

An over-reaction? Considering that y'all down under are fixin' to go into your cool season? Probably not.

By the way, what does 'mandatory detention' mean? Armed guards, drop bears and concertina wire or more like self-recognizance?

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:43 am
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US axed CDC expert job in China months before outbreak: Reuters

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/ ... 37595.html


"Several months before the Coronavirus pandemic began, the administration of US President Donald Trump eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing that was intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters news agency has learned.

The American disease expert Dr Linda Quick, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China's disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue."

I read that. I also read where that would not have made a difference in the reporting of the Coronavirus situation.
Agree, from what I have read in many sources China's government actions are what mattered, and US Intel was on the job.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:59 am
by MakeeLearn
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RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:05 am
by Cap Mandrake
The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:15 am
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.
Yes, I read weeks ago the woman put in charge of the committee/team overseeing things is exactly that. I am not sure IIRC, but I think she is not a medical professional either.

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:15 am
by witpqs

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:33 am
by MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Chinese central government reached down to silence the doctor who first publicly reported on the outbreak and I guarantee they have a party hack in charge of the "disease control agency"

It is also guaranteed that at least one of her Chicom "colleagues" was a spook gathering intel on the CDC.

The blame lies in one place..Beijing...and maybe the guy who made the pangolin burgers.
Yes, I read weeks ago the woman put in charge of the committee/team overseeing things is exactly that. I am not sure IIRC, but I think she is not a medical professional either.


Here she is. Before she got her haircut.

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RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:39 am
by witpqs
Kind of an old picture... [:D]

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:41 am
by MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: witpqs

Kind of an old picture... [:D]


OPSEC

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:44 am
by MakeeLearn
Back to the news that matters....


South Korean Boy Band BTS Not Exempt From Military Service
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bts-south ... ry-service

"The seven members of BTS will not be exempt from mandatory service in South Korea’s military—meaning the K-pop superstars will need to step away at the height of their success. The Grammy-nominated group, also known as the Bangtan Boys, had hoped to skip the 18-month service that all South Koreans must serve after they turn 18."

RE: OT: Corona virus

Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:50 am
by Zorch
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Back to the news that matters....


South Korean Boy Band BTS Not Exempt From Military Service
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bts-south ... ry-service

"The seven members of BTS will not be exempt from mandatory service in South Korea’s military—meaning the K-pop superstars will need to step away at the height of their success. The Grammy-nominated group, also known as the Bangtan Boys, had hoped to skip the 18-month service that all South Koreans must serve after they turn 18."
If Elvis did it, so can BTS.

PS. Did they plagiarize 'BTS" from the AE Scenario?