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RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:30 pm
by KLAB
[ADDED DB v441]
Nice update again with 440,thank you for the amended PL-8B.
Could I ask for a correction to the Su-27 load outs please, as its a significant type and used somewhat more than Honduran patrol boats?
I appreciate there has been much debate over whether the AA-10D is operational but....
The link is to photos taken from a Norwegian P-3 which appear to show what is an operational Su-27 over the Baltic in 2014 with a pair of R-27ETs (AA-10D Alamo D) on the relevant No2 and No10 pylon (the only ones I believe have the necessary equipment for the IR cooling?).
The missiles are too long to be R-27T's based on the corresponding length of the R-73's in comparison.
http://errymath.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ ... fHtI6OFP4Y
Can an additional load out please be added to the Russian/Soviet Su-27 entries (all SU-27 versions with 10 pylons)
#2155 Su-27P
#603 Su-27S 1992
#2370 Su-27S 1994
#134 Su-27 USSR 1987/1991
I would suggest for pre-1998:
#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#1896 2 x AA-11/R-73
#2540 2 x L-005S pods
And for later models:
#847 Su-27SM2/3
Suggested load of:
#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#2053 2 x AA-11/R-73M
#2540 2 x L-005S pods.
The Su-30(all Russian/Soviet era models) would presumably also be carrying the Alamo D?
Regards
Karl
RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:46 pm
by SASR
Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]
From :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)
"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/
"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:48 pm
by Tomcat84
Karl, I have a question: why would they carry 2 of the A model and not just 4 of the C model? Is there any reasoning for this?
RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:11 am
by Mgellis
Original post updated.
ORIGINAL: emsoy
Mark, on the Nicaraguan corrections, could you update the original post please? That way I only have to link to a single platform request which reduces the chanses of error.
Thanks!
RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:38 am
by Dysta
As far as I know ASAT missiles have to lead the satellite's approach, rather than chasing it.
Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:33 am
by jun5896
http://www.janes.com/article/53828/braz ... gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/ ... fU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/braz ... f-fighters
Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.
RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:29 pm
by Vici Supreme
+1
Might be too early but this is also on my list of things I need for a scenario.
RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:26 pm
by Af1352pasha
Can you revised SU-34 load out base on wiki specification to use various armament?
Actually SU-34 can be fire Kh-35 (AS-20) anti-ship missile and other missiles.
Missiles:
R-27 (AA-10) air-to-air missile
R-73 (AA-11) air-to-air missile
R-77 (AA-12) air-to-air missile
Kh-29L/T (AS-14) air-to-ground missile
Kh-38 new generation air-to-ground missile with a range of 40 km
Kh-25MT/ML/MP (AS-10) air-to-ground missile or anti-radiation missile
Kh-59M (AS-18) air-to-ground missile
Kh-58 (AS-11) anti-radiation missile
Kh-31 (AS-17) anti-radiation or anti-ship missile
Kh-35 (AS-20) anti-ship missile
P-800 Oniks missile (SS-N-26 Strobile) anti-ship missile (version for the Air Force). Version he named "Alpha"[82] weight of 1500 kg with a range of up to 300 km and a speed in the range of numbers M = 2.2-3.0. Officially not in service.[82][83]
Kh-65SE or Kh-SD cruise missile
Regards
RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 1:53 pm
by ComDev
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DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down!
Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know that I have now re-directed my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.
This means I will only fix reported errors/inaccuracies in existing platforms and only make critical additions, i.e. units needed for a scenario currently under construction. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.
If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding / fixing, rather than having me working on code) then feel feee to post. If not then you'll find me burried deep down in the Command game engine.
Thanks! [:D]
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Thanks, do you have photos showing operational Su-34s carrying these weapons? Thanks [8D]
RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:36 pm
by ComDev
Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?
ORIGINAL: SASR
Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]
From :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)
"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/
"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."
RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:37 pm
by ComDev
Nice! Any clues on weapon package?
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:42 pm
by ComDev
Good catch! [:D]
Added!
ORIGINAL: KLAB
Nice update again with 440,thank you for the amended PL-8B.
Could I ask for a correction to the Su-27 load outs please, as its a significant type and used somewhat more than Honduran patrol boats?
I appreciate there has been much debate over whether the AA-10D is operational but....
The link is to photos taken from a Norwegian P-3 which appear to show what is an operational Su-27 over the Baltic in 2014 with a pair of R-27ETs (AA-10D Alamo D) on the relevant No2 and No10 pylon (the only ones I believe have the necessary equipment for the IR cooling?).
The missiles are too long to be R-27T's based on the corresponding length of the R-73's in comparison.
http://errymath.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ ... fHtI6OFP4Y
Can an additional load out please be added to the Russian/Soviet Su-27 entries (all SU-27 versions with 10 pylons)
#2155 Su-27P
#603 Su-27S 1992
#2370 Su-27S 1994
#134 Su-27 USSR 1987/1991
I would suggest for pre-1998:
#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#1896 2 x AA-11/R-73
#2540 2 x L-005S pods
And for later models:
#847 Su-27SM2/3
Suggested load of:
#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#2053 2 x AA-11/R-73M
#2540 2 x L-005S pods.
The Su-30(all Russian/Soviet era models) would presumably also be carrying the Alamo D?
Regards
Karl
RE: Brazil and Sweden sign financing contract for Gripen NGs
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 2:48 pm
by Vici Supreme
ORIGINAL: emsoy
Nice! Any clues on weapon package?
All I know is that Brazil eyes to integrate the A-Darter and maybe also an indigenous BVRAAM. Probably also the MAR-1 ARM.
http://www.janes.com/article/50724/laad ... rocurement
RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:57 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: emsoy
Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?
ORIGINAL: SASR
Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]
From :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)
"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/
"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."
Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 5:59 pm
by KLAB
Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.
It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.
Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?
Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.[:)]
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest
4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.
Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!
Regards
Karl
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:50 pm
by Rhygin00
I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 8:28 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Rhygin00
I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.
I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.
Thanks!
Mike
RE: SM-3 Maximum Engagement Speed
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:52 pm
by SASR
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: emsoy
Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?
ORIGINAL: SASR
Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]
From :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)
"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/
"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."
Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.
Oh yes it definitely was not a tail chase. I was trying to say that the fastest target an SM-3 can currently engage in game is going 12000 knots, which I suggested should be increased to 15200 knots based on Operation Burnt Frost. Again, 15200 knots is the speed of the target, not the SM-3 itself.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am very inarticulate when trying to explain things[:(]
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am
by ComDev
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Rhygin00
I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.
I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.
Thanks!
Mike
...and the actual date [8D] Details would be much appreciated.
RE: DB Correction to Su-27 loadouts.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:55 am
by ComDev
Several aircraft in the database use a full Alamo-C loadout, such as Chinese J-11s, Indian, Angolan and Algerian Su-30s, etc. Photos confirm these have been carrying an all-Long-Range Alamo loadout.
Will add this loadout to more aircraft when we have info suggesting the a/c use them operationally [8D]
Thanks!
ORIGINAL: KLAB
Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.
It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.
Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?
Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.[:)]
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest
4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.
Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!
Regards
Karl