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ORIGINAL: Orm

Give me a couple of min. I need to edit the picture to smaller size. I'll edit in my suggestion here shortly.

That 7-3 INF is disorganized. It can't make the move you suggest.
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Edit: Also, which unit is moving, just the 4-3 INF? Or is the 3-2 MIL moving NW also. And what do you suggest with the MECH stack NW of Timoshenko?

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?

I would leave the 3-2 MIL. Can't you take the 1st CAV and move it to the 4-3. Leaving the other unit in the mountains?

Something like this in the north part?


Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: Orm

I was just writing which units to move. But my mistake with the OOS 7-3 took the energy out of me. [:(]

The 3-2 MIL stays and just the 50th Army moves.

I had prepared the picture for the north part as well but i needed to reduce picture size.

I think the 3-2 MIL needs to move, too. Otherwise, can't the Germans Blitz the 4-3 and cut off supply permenantly to the stack with the CAV on top?

I would leave the 3-2 MIL. Can't you take the 1st CAV and move it to the 4-3. Leaving the other unit in the mountains?

I could, but that only adds 1 factor of defense, since he'll be disorganized and OOS.

ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?


Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).
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Edit: also, you're trying to move another disorganized unit, the 5-4 INF

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?


Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).

Yes. But that rain works for me as well. Makes things harder for Germany as well. [:)]

I can live with that the rain leaves the MECH oos. It can at least move to a better position and pray that the turn ends fast. [:D]

Edit: also, you're trying to move another disorganized unit, the 5-4 INF

Ack. [:(] That move wasn't needed anyway.

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: Orm

Something like this in the north part?


Red arrows is units moving. Yellow is a resupply misson.

Edit: And the 6-1 moves into the mountains as you suggested.

This has the potential to again leave the 8-5 MECH out of supply if it continues to Rain (which is unlikely, but could happen).

Yes. But that rain works for me as well. Makes things harder for Germany as well. [:)]

I can live with that the rain leaves the MECH oos. It can at least move to a better position and pray that the turn ends fast. [:D]

What about the 6-4 INF? That will be disorganized and OOS, a 2 factor target.

I'm sorry, but I think I prefer option #2 from my original post #2302. The TB-3 can be used to reorganize the 7-3 INF in the South, preventing it from being an easy target for the Italians, or it could be used to reorganize the 6-4 INF in the North. Option #2 also leaves fewer units in position to be forced to end up disorganized or potentially OOS.

In the end, I decided to leave the factor in Kazan and go with Option #2.
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Edit: I just realized that the 4-3 INF can't be attacked if the Germans want to keep all 4 Corps organized. Guderian would have to move onto the rails, and he doesn't have enough movement points to do that, so the big German armor stack will be OOS and unable to attack this impulse.

I "forgot" that units in mountain hexes can be reorganized by air supply. I am not sure I actually forgot it since I am not sure I ever been aware of it. Can't remember. But I do remember that I recall a old rule version that in order to resupply a unit the aircraft needed to have the potential to land in the hex.

I have way to many obsolete rules still haunting me. [:D]

Any way you play the USSR the Germans will have fun. Therte is no way around that even if Stalin plays a perfect game.

This is what I settled on. I'll use the TB-3 to reorganize the 6-4 INF, I think. This means the Italians can probably kill the 7-3, but it also means the TB-3 can rebase much closer to the Ural mountains. The advantage of reorganizing the 7-3 INF is obviously that it can't be eliminated instantly, but it won't stay in supply no matter what I do. Unless it rains again in the Med, it has little value beyond keeping a single Italian unit in place. I don't know. I'll decide later . . . there's still time.

The only Allied attack for Impulse #3, of S/O '41:



And the results:

Attack on France [59, 25]: Assault, Roll = 9-1 = 8 = */2S

I could have had a 4:1 attack or a 5:1 -1 attack. That's from the Allied combat friction modifier, but I decided it was worth the extra 10% gained for staying organized, as well as for the chances of keeping all units alive. As the Germans, I went with the Assault in order to try to disorganize the attackers. That would mean no more attacks this turn, and it would let me consolidate my forces around the enemy beachhead. No such luck.
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Please note that it isn't just the Axis getting good rolls for attacks. They've just had more attacks. The Allies haven't failed yet.

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

This is what I settled on. I'll use the TB-3 to reorganize the 6-4 INF, I think. This means the Italians can probably kill the 7-3, but it also means the TB-3 can rebase much closer to the Ural mountains. The advantage of reorganizing the 7-3 INF is obviously that it can't be eliminated instantly, but it won't stay in supply no matter what I do. Unless it rains again in the Med, it has little value beyond keeping a single Italian unit in place. I don't know. I'll decide later . . . there's still time.

Now I think it is likely that Germany will capture Baku this turn or activate Turkey. The south can't hold. I suspect that only the weather can prevent this.

The CW rebased a few FTR units to the newly acquired territory in France, the USA started sending 2 of its own FTRs the long way around (Newfoundland, Greenland, Icland, UK), and the Soviets rebased an OOS LND near the Urals to Magnitogorsk.

Only one of the Soviet TB-3s was used to reorganize units. I decided on the 6-4 INF, since I'm pretty sure I can ZOC the southern German forces for the rest of the turn, as long as it doesn't go on forever. There's a weak point in the northern line, though, and that INF might be able to help there. The other TB-3 couldn't do the job, because the weather is Storms up in the Arctic. I forgot that only rebase missions can be made in stormy weather. Oh, well, at least the MECH it was going to assist is in supply and behind a river.

On to Axis impulse #5, and I finally gave in to the Allied pressure. I railed the SS MECH from Stalingrad to Nantes, and finally decided on Rommel as the HQ I would send back. I really needed/wanted all of them where they were, but the deciding factor was getting the Italian GARR in La Rochelle back in supply. Since I was pulling troops out of the Soviet Union anyway, I also railed the slow ART from Moscow, since it can't keep up with the front lines.

Not much to be done by the Axis this impulse. Japan sent out an invasion fleet and some defenses, moved a few divisions into Muscat and Abu Dhabi, and Germany and Italy made certain that the Americans could not expand any deeper into France (I think). With a 10% chance of the turn ending after the next impulse, the Germans spent their time setting up future attacks with whatever units were still able to be kept in supply.

The only attacks for Axis Impulse #5 are an automatic invasion of Guadalcanal, and the eradication of the 7-3 INF in Perisa. For that attack, due to the weather, I had to add the German MECH Division to get the odds up to 10:1 for an automatic victory. At that point, Allied Combat Friction doesn't matter. Besides, the enemy was disorganized anyway, so the die roll modifiers cancel each other out.

The attacks:



And the results:

Attack on Persia [70, 74]: Assault, Roll = 8 = */2S
Attack on Guadalcanal: Assault, Roll = Automatic

Not much to say about these. Just that I advanced the MECH and MOT into the target hex. That gets the German armor back into supply again, and HQ-A Graziani can reorganize them at the end of the impulse.

Germany rebased 4 LND within range of Rostov. I wanted to move some FTR power into France, but I want to make sure I can get as much air power as possible over Rostov, since I'm probably going to attack it at the next opportunity.

Graziani did indeed reorganize those 2 Italians, and the new weather roll for Allied Impulse #7 is up next . . .

The weather for Allied Impulse #7: