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ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

This is going to be the Battle of Sumatra fought by CanoeRebel and JohnIII with Lowpe playing the role of invader and you being the defender. The results are going to be a crushing defeat for the invaders, without any of the benefits CanoeRebel got from tying down Japanese forces for 6 months.

The capture of San Diego by the Japanese would be a miracle. The capture of Los Angeles an impossibility unless the Americans abandon the city. There can be no Dunkirk for the Japanese units put ashore. Extraction will require possession of a significant port. So all LCUs committed to the invasion are forfeit. It is just a matter of time, and the Americans get to use units that would have been idle for any other purpose.

The Allies will establish air supremacy in short order due to availability of bases. The only significant Japanese air presence will be the KB, and its primary task will be protection of Japanese shipping. Any strikes launched by the KB will have minimal escort. The combination of Allied CAP and AA will shred attacking aircraft. Allied LB will have a field day attacking Japanese troops in clear terrain.

The Allies are not at risk of losing any major naval assets while the Japanese have practically everything at risk. The Allies can commit to battle at their choosing while the Japanese must commit their ships to restricted areas of operation for the duration of the invasion. The only problem is getting the Allied combat TFs into position because of inadequate ports to operate from.

ORIGINAL: obvert
Don't you mean Tuesday?

There will be beer right? Nine years of celebrating packed into one party full of Swedes who last time out ended the night in a German lock-up? [:D]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

This is going to be the Battle of Sumatra fought by CanoeRebel and JohnIII with Lowpe playing the role of invader and you being the defender. The results are going to be a crushing defeat for the invaders, without any of the benefits CanoeRebel got from tying down Japanese forces for 6 months.

The capture of San Diego by the Japanese would be a miracle. The capture of Los Angeles an impossibility unless the Americans abandon the city. There can be no Dunkirk for the Japanese units put ashore. Extraction will require possession of a significant port. So all LCUs committed to the invasion are forfeit. It is just a matter of time, and the Americans get to use units that would have been idle for any other purpose.

The Allies will establish air supremacy in short order due to availability of bases. The only significant Japanese air presence will be the KB, and its primary task will be protection of Japanese shipping. Any strikes launched by the KB will have minimal escort. The combination of Allied CAP and AA will shred attacking aircraft. Allied LB will have a field day attacking Japanese troops in clear terrain.

The Allies are not at risk of losing any major naval assets while the Japanese have practically everything at risk. The Allies can commit to battle at their choosing while the Japanese must commit their ships to restricted areas of operation for the duration of the invasion. The only problem is getting the Allied combat TFs into position because of inadequate ports to operate from.

I hope you are right. Judging by the replay he is going to land between LA and SD. Rail will probably be cut tomorrow assuming his transports are among the most forward TFs. That means I will have to defend it with 3 divisions, 1 USMC RGT and a Tank BTL.

Its a clear hex...but level 9 forts. I don´t know if this is something Japan can take on.

What worries me right now is that if he lands next turn I don´t really know where the 3rd USMC will stop their rail movement. What worries me is if they stop right at the landing site...

The lads in San Diego will be more vulnerable to air attack and naval bombardment

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

The lads in San Diego will be more vulnerable to air attack and naval bombardment

How effective are air attacks going to be on San Diego? Bombardment? I suppose. Every BB gets to unload for a turn or two and then they are done with reloads 3,000 miles away

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

LA Seems invulnerable with 2 divisions and level 9 forts in an urban hex.

Even in San Diego he will need regiments of combat engineers to impale themselves on the punji sticks. The lads in San Diego will be more vulnerable to air attack and naval bombardment.

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

This is going to be the Battle of Sumatra fought by CanoeRebel and JohnIII with Lowpe playing the role of invader and you being the defender. The results are going to be a crushing defeat for the invaders, without any of the benefits CanoeRebel got from tying down Japanese forces for 6 months....

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

LA Seems invulnerable with 2 divisions and level 9 forts in an urban hex.

Even in San Diego he will need regiments of combat engineers to impale themselves on the punji sticks. The lads in San Diego will be more vulnerable to air attack and naval bombardment.

The strict regulations prohibiting human use of beaches, rocks - any waterfront at all - where seals have taken up station would make landing in San Diego very slow and arduous.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

If they land at Camp Pendleton they need to stay outside the taped-off cactus wren habitat or they will have
Hell to pay. Also, I hope they have paid off a few guys on the Coastal Commission or they will never increase the AF size.

Recipe for bombardment:

1) Take Catalina and dump supply
2) Set up Support TF with 4 AKE's and an AO
3) Set home base of bombardment TF to Catalina..the TF will return to Catalina
4) Rearm 3-4 BB's each night
5) Some will be able to make the bombardment run the next day

SD has some serious CD guns as I recall. They can be purposely targeted in Port Attacks. IJN will lose some DD's to mines.

Air attacks:

1) Sweep with carrier fighters
2) Level bomb with Kates at 15K on AF attack to avoid AAA
3) Vals stay on Naval Attack
4) Build up Catalina and Camp Pendleton AF

The question is can they do all of this before 200 P-38's and 100 B-17's show up?

ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

If they land at Camp Pendleton they need to stay outside the taped-off cactus wren habitat or they will have
Hell to pay. Also, I hope they have paid off a few guys on the Coastal Commission or they will never increase the AF size.

Recipe for bombardment:

1) Take Catalina and dump supply
2) Set up Support TF with 4 AKE's and an AO
3) Set home base of bombardment TF to Catalina..the TF will return to Catalina
4) Rearm 3-4 BB's each night
5) Some will be able to make the bombardment run the next day

SD has some serious CD guns as I recall. They can be purposely targeted in Port Attacks. IJN will lose some DD's to mines.

Air attacks:

1) Sweep with carrier fighters
2) Level bomb with Kates at 15K on AF attack to avoid AAA
3) Vals stay on Naval Attack
4) Build up Catalina and Camp Pendleton AF

The question is can they do all of this before 200 P-38's and 100 B-17's show up?

How do the Japanese defend Catalina? The KB will have to provide air defense for the base, and any TFs. Who is going to provide defense against PT raids every night, subs and whatever other forces the Allies can cobble together to raid Catalina? I wouldn't expect the Japanese to have their full allotment of operations points available for rearming ships.

Mounting air attacks will not be too practical for the Japanese. Assigning carrier fighters to sweep missions is wishful thinking. They are needed to protect Japanese shipping. There will hardly be enough to assign any to escort missions for any bombing missions. One stumble into a CAP trap and the entire IJN becomes at risk of having its air defense overwhelmed.

Once those 100 B-17s show up Catalina will not be safe for ships at anchor, and the port will likely be too damaged to do much loading and unloading of cargo.