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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 9:34 am
by ComDev
Thanks for your input Skjold!

On the Visby Umkhonto, would it not be possible to use the same mount as is found on the Finnish ships? There is some platform editing capability already built into the game and you can add the mount yourself, no problem! [8D]

Tapper is already in there as '81 Tapper [Bevakningsbåt 2000 / Type 80] -- Sweden (Navy), 1993'.

Added all helicopters.

Do you know the in-service date for Hkp 3C?

Have assigned the ground stuff to Mike (BostonMyk).

ORIGINAL: Skjold

I am aware that little work is done on adding new things to the DB, but i think that the top two naval additions and the TOW capable helicopter would add alot to the Swedish scenarios (out of which i am building several for public release). This represents an alternative universe where our swedish goverment actually cares about the armed forces and put SAM's on the Visby class. I also added some less important additions, such as ground units. Apparantly i can't post links here becouse i am new, which is quite the problem so i can't provide proper source links.

Visby class corvette
I want to mount the cancelled 8x (1 cell) Umkhonto SAM's on the Visby (2013) class missile frigate as a hypothetical unit. The Umkhonto SAM system is already in-game on the 2009 version of the finnish Hamina PCFG and the 2009 version of the Hämeenmaa ML.

Sources & Justification

"Swedish Navy: The Swedish government has expressed interest in the Umkhonto-IR Block 2 system for five Visby class corvettes for at total cost of about 1 bn SEK. Due to budgetary constraints a decision was taken in 2008 to delete the SAM requirement." - Wikipedia

"8 × Umkhonto SAM(cancelled)" - Wikipedia

"The Visbys will not initially be fitted with an air-defence missile system. But space has been allocated for Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAM)." - Kockums Official PDF (Naval Yard)

"Forecast International reports external link that Sweden has decided to equip its 5 Visby Class stealth corvettes external link with Denel’s Umkhonto-IR external link anti-aircraft missile system at a total cost of about SEK 1 billion (currently about $149.6 million)." - Defence Industry Daily

Bevakningsbåt typ 80 (Tapper class patrol boat) 1993-present 12x
Length: 23 m
Width: 5,4 m
Draught: 1,8 m
Top Speed: 25 knots
Displacement: 62 tons
Crew: 8 men
Engine: 2 x Deutz MWM 1200 HP Diesel Engines.
Weaponry: 6x depth charges, 4x ASW Grenade launchers with 36 grenades total, 2x HMG 12.7mm.


Hkp 10 (Eurocopter AS332 Super Puma) 12x 1988-present
Almost exclusivly SAR duty.

Hkp 9A (MBB BO 105 CB-3) 20x 1987-
Armed with 4x TOW missiles, local designation Rb 55.

Hkp 3C (Bell 204B) 24x
15x Army (transport), 9x Air Force (SAR)

Hkp 6A (Bell 206A Jetranger)
22x Army (transport)

Hkp 6B (Bell 206A Jetranger)
10x Navy (ASW) Armed with 1x ASW Tp 451

Sources: Swedish Armed Forces official website & Soldf, a veteran community.

Ground Forces
On the backburner, i would also like to request these things: (Note, not very important at all due to the limited simulation of ground forces but thought i'd ask)

[*]Add the Swedish Armored Plt Centurion from the Cold War DB to DB300. (Used until mid 1990s activly, also their designation should be Strv 104 judging by it having rangefinder.)
[*]Add Bkan 1C self propelled artillery piece. 155 mm. (1980s-2003)
[*]Add Strv 103C tank, 105 mm with laser rangefinder and 3x GMG. (1980s-1997)
[*]Add Pbv 302 Mech Inf Plt, 4x Pbv 302 with 1x Hispano 20mm, (1966 to 1990s, would fit CW DB aswell.)

Note: The Swedish CV90 Mech Inf Plt seems to be the only one in the game with infantry weapons somewhat modelled, seems weird.

This would essentially complete Sweden as a faction entirly, and would make me a very happy bunny. [&o]
Thanks for reading.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 8:08 pm
by Vici Supreme
[UPDATED DB v441]

Minor request for both Chinese HQ-9 platforms.

Always wondered why the Chinese HQ-9 SAM battalion (DBID #1276) hasn't any reloads. For example, the Russian S-300PM battalion with 8 TELs (DBID #1488) has a magazine with enough missiles to reload all launchers. I found this HQ-9 factsheet a while ago which states that a HQ-9/FD-2000 battalion has 64 missiles in container (of which 32 are already loaded onto the TAS-5380 8x8 TELs). That being said, the remaining 32 missiles should be included in a magazine, representing the battalion's missile transporters. Maybe also add a limited number of reloads to the other, 2 launcher HQ-9 battalion in the DB.
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Thanks!

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 12:56 am
by DESRON420
I've been testing LRASM #2786 against the JSM #2885 and finding that the radar component of the multimode seeker on the LRASM causes LRASMs to be detected significantly earlier than JSMs by ESM-equipped units, 8-9 nm vs 5 nm. Is there a way to command LRASMs (and SDB-II, and other multimode seeker-equipped weapons) to employ only passive sensors on launch?

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:38 am
by ComDev
ORIGINAL: DESRON420

I've been testing LRASM #2786 against the JSM #2885 and finding that the radar component of the multimode seeker on the LRASM causes LRASMs to be detected significantly earlier than JSMs by ESM-equipped units, 8-9 nm vs 5 nm. Is there a way to command LRASMs (and SDB-II, and other multimode seeker-equipped weapons) to employ only passive sensors on launch?

Not yet, this is a great feature request though [8D]

The actual fix will have to wait for the advanced strike planner and weapon route planner.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:42 am
by ComDev
Added, thanks!
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Minor request for both Chinese HQ-9 platforms.

Always wondered why the Chinese HQ-9 SAM battalion (DBID #1276) hasn't any reloads. For example, the Russian S-300PM battalion with 8 TELs (DBID #1488) has a magazine with enough missiles to reload all launchers. I found this HQ-9 factsheet a while ago which states that a HQ-9/FD-2000 battalion has 64 missiles in container (of which 32 are already loaded onto the TAS-5380 8x8 TELs). That being said, the remaining 32 missiles should be included in a magazine, representing the battalion's missile transporters. Maybe also add a limited number of reloads to the other, 2 launcher HQ-9 battalion in the DB.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 6:29 am
by skjold89
Do you know the in-service date for Hkp 3C?

Hey, thanks for the reply. Thats awesome! Yeah i will use the existing cell, thanks for the tip.

I actually had service dates of all helicopters but the forum thought i was spamming phone numbers so i couldnt finish them.

Hkp 9A = 1987 to 1999 (technically 2009, but not a single missile has been fired since 1999)

Hkp 3C = 1963 to 2000, can't find precise date of upgrade to C version as these service dates also include the A and B.

Hkp 6A = 1968 to 2004

Hkp 6B = 1970 to 2002

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:05 am
by ComDev
Thanks, updated!

Although the Hkp 3B and Hkp 3C may not have been available before 1970?

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:14 am
by DeSade
[FIXED DB v441]

#1198 - RIM-161B SM-3 NTW Blk IA -- 2007 and similiar have target max speed property 8000 nm, resulting in no speed penalty modifiers against ballistic missiles. While its not bug per se, combined with lack of other modifiers it gives unrealistically high PK (95%) against that kind of targets. It should be more like 80-85% according to test results.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 8:20 am
by skjold89
[UPDATED DB v441]
ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks, updated!

Although the Hkp 3B and Hkp 3C may not have been available before 1970?

Yeah, not sure. I found solid information that the A came into service 1962 (not 63, typo) and the B's 1965. (Source: Swedish Air Force Museum).
A dodgy source also claims 1969 as the entry to service for the C.

The information i can get is that Hkb 3B has a upgraded engine (Rolls Royce Gnome H 1200 Mk 610) and that Hkp 3C has longer main rotor blades and longer tail. That might help in regards to the year.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:54 pm
by orca
Would the loadout for the E/A18 growler with the NGJ also include 2 AMRAAMs similar to current growler loadout?

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 4:33 pm
by Tomcat84
[ADDED DB v441]

Royal Netherlands Air Force buying Sniper targeting pods

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/p ... niper.html

So I guess a 2016 F-16AM model that has duplicate loadouts with Snipers instead of Litening AT.

I'm pretty sure the current plan is to use both pods simultaneously so still keep the Litening ATs in there too.

Low priority as far as I'm concerned. (I dont need it for anything, just noticed the news)

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2015 5:20 pm
by ComDev
Yes [8D]
ORIGINAL: orca

Would the loadout for the E/A18 growler with the NGJ also include 2 AMRAAMs similar to current growler loadout?

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:05 pm
by Tomcat84
[ADDED DB v441]

Again no priority for me, just something I noticed, but the Netherlands is getting two land based SMART-L EWC radars.

Static, immobile radar. Should be similar to what is on DBID 2521

Maybe should be better than 1990s tech though, being AESA, but not sure? In service (land based version) expected around 2018/19.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwid ... ystems-and

https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/defau ... ewc_hr.pdf

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:35 pm
by Triode
[FIXED DB v442]

#2816 - SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0] in database have CADS-N-1 Kortik-M and #2883 - SKR Dagestan [Pr.1166.1K] CADS-N-1 [Palash] wich is basically copy paste of Kortik-M with radar and missiles
This is wrong thing, both of them have Palash, and Palash are nothing like Kortik-M

little history :
long time ago Soviet Navy want to improve AK-630 and in 1984 "Tulmashzavod" create AK-630M1-2 :
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/imag ... HHyppHC014
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this proposal lost competition to CADS-N-1 Kortik

in 90s this thing return as AK-630M-2 Duet :
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But this proposal have one big problem, underdeck space for AK-630M-2 almost twice as big as for AK-630

So Russian Navy order a 2x6 30-mm gun system without underdeck space for magazine needed , all munitions in one module with guns
KBTM take this task , they take Kortik module and remove everything except guns, instead of radars and electronic they place ammo for guns
(1500 rounds) also they add TV/IR search-targeting station and 3M89 "Palma" is ready :
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there is no underdeck magazines, no loading systems for missiles, nothing , pure artillery system.

Then Vietnam came in this story. Vietnam Navy want to buy 1166.1 , when they see 3M89 "Palma" and hear that this is only gun system they ask to add missiles on "Palma"
But there is no underdeck magazines and no loading system so this "Palma with missiles" ("Palash") can only be reloaded manually
Due to manually reload and lack of radars "Palash" cant use missiles of Kortik-M (9M311-1 ,weight 60kg, radiocommand guided) , instead KBTM use Sosna-RA missile (9M337 ,weight 42kg,laser beam riding missile)
after this changes Russian Navy also buy Palash modules

characteristics for 3M89 Palash
Palash guns and missiles:
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_2.html
Palash sensors:
http://kbtochmash.com/defence-products/ ... -en_1.html

it is easy to see where is Palma and where is Palash , just look at automatic optronic control system (AOCS)
Palma (two variants):
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http://cdn.topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2012 ... zvhe01.jpg
Palash :
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http://www.balancer.ru/sites/p/i/pics.l ... 40x480.jpg

so, can you please remove CADS-N-1 Kortik(and copy past of Kortik under name CADS-N-1 [Palma] on 1166.1) and add Palash to 22350,Vietnam and Russian 1166.1
also keep in mind, that Palash dont have magazines and reloaded manually

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:43 pm
by Broncepulido
Very interesting, thanks Triode (btw in the maker site both variants are erroneously named Palma, with and without missiles, and not Palma and Palash).

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:47 am
by Rongor

Sorry for replying that late. I linked the original post in the quoted text above.

Regarding the DB I do in fact have v439 since I am hanging behind the Steam provided updates (current CMANO being 1.08 Final Build 678.18).

Considering the platform I was referring to russianships.info which shows that only the second 11661K (Dagestan) has received the UKSK. From the way it is listed in the armament section I interpreted it as a replacement for the SS-N-25 (only on Dagestan) but I admit it could be justified to discuss that.

You are totally right that the type ship (Tatarstan) of DB ID 584 SKR Gepard, Pr.11661K bears the SS-N-25 correctly.
So it would probably best to leave it as it is and offer the possibility to add the USKS mount in the weapons list by the player for Dagestan.

Thanks for looking into this!

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 10:16 am
by ComDev
Thanks for getting back to me, please let me know if you stumble upon something else [8D]

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:41 pm
by skjold89
[ADDED/UPDATED DB v442]

I just noticed that the Danish don't have their 9x MH-60R while creating a scenario with Denmark. The first one got delivered recently. Not a high priority thing, but would add some neat capability to the Danish.

"The Royal Danish Navy announced its acquisition of nine MH-60R in December 2012. The program, valued at $686 million, was the first European foreign military sale for Team Seahawk. The Danish aircraft are configured for search and rescue or anti-surface warfare operations, including defending Danish interests in the North Atlantic, executing anti-piracy operations, and conducting other missions during international deployments. All nine aircraft will be delivered to the Danish government by 2018." - MH-60 official website.

That sounds to me like they will be using Hellfires for anti-surface operations, but i'll leave that up to you guys.

Designation corrections for Sweden.
[*]C (numbers here) Aviocar should be SH 89, the designation is as a comment in-game but shouldn't it be at the start of the name so u can easily spot it as a maritime recon next to the SH 37?
[*]Dash 8-300 MPRA has the designation KBV 501. (KustBeVakning, Coast Guard). The three planes are designated KBV 501, 502 and 503 respectivly.
[*]RQ-7B Shadow 200 also has its designation UAV 03 Örnen, but its in a comment. Would be nice if it could get its designation.
[*]Sperwer UAV should have the designation UAV 01 Ugglan.

It thinks im spamming phone numbers again. Cheers, Skjold.

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:16 pm
by Vici Supreme
[UPDATED DB v442]

Updates for platform #2567 - HQ 11 Dinh Tien Hoang [SKR Gepard 3.9, Pr.1166.1E].

- Replace Cross Dome [MR-352 Positiv] with Cross Round [MR-352 Positiv ME-1]

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- Replace Plank Shave [3Ts-25 Garpun-Bal] with Band Stand [Monolit]

- Add 2 x 14.5mm MGs (1)

- Replace all PK-16 DL with 4 x PK-10 DL (1)(2)(Other two launchers located behind RHIB davits)

- Replace CADS-N-1 [Palma] with CADS-N-1 [Palash]

- Remove RBU-6000 [Smerch-2] (1)(2)

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-438.html
http://www.typhoon-jsc.ru/index.php/pro ... zitiv-me12
http://vnexpress.net/tin-tuc/thoi-su/uy ... 35-p2.html

Thanks for time and efforts!

PS: I'm aware that the team is currently busy working on gameplay stuff rather than its database. Just dropping my requests here for future updates to come. I'm not expecting anybody to include this in the next update! Cheers!

(Edit: Fixed link)

RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:23 am
by Dimitris
ORIGINAL: Triode
#2816 - SKR Admiral Sergey Gorshkov [Pr.2235.0] in database have CADS-N-1 Kortik-M and #2883 - SKR Dagestan [Pr.1166.1K] CADS-N-1 [Palash] wich is basically copy paste of Kortik-M with radar and missiles
This is wrong thing, both of them have Palash, and Palash are nothing like Kortik-M

[....]

...and to confuse matters even more [:)], Navy-Recognition presents Palma as having Sosna-R SAMs integrated: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ciws-.html

Notice also that the "Palma" video clip shows a turret with the Palash's optronic unit.