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ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: moses

30 June:

Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.

What does that mean? I never have heard of that! [&:]

Paras force troops to bombard. If you bombard on the same turn your enemy attacks you get 1/2 of your defence value.

Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defense strength. Even then it was close. 3-1 and my army surrenders. Crap.

I second the comment by Castor Troy. Where is this rule in the manual?? [X(][X(]

Now the war will be decided by what he does in the next month. Only PM and PH offer the possibility of a decisive result:

do you mean Noumea? (rather than PM).

Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.

What does that mean? I never have heard of that!

A joint Para and Amphib Landing will result in an automatic shock attack for all forces located in that hex. Some people may consider it gamey, so best to discuss it with your oppenant

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: moses

30 June:

Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.

What does that mean? I never have heard of that! [&:]

Paras force troops to bombard. If you bombard on the same turn your enemy attacks you get 1/2 of your defence value.

What????????????? [X(][X(][X(][X(][X(] When you are the defender and you are bombarding the turn your opponent attacks your adjusted defense is halfed?????????? What kind of sh*t is that?????????????[X(][X(]

"Do you mean Noumea? (rather than PM). "


Yes I meant Noumea. Sorry.[;)]

What????????????? When you are the defender and you are bombarding the turn your opponent attacks your adjusted defense is halfed?????????? What kind of sh*t is that?????????????

There was a thread a while back, which detailed how when defending, never to bombard as it decreases your AV in the face of enemy attacks...i don't believe it was as much as 1/2 of your AV...but i could be wrong

i'll see if i can find the thread

Yep its true unless they took it out in last patch or two. When you bombard your defence strength is cut by about half.

I tested this a year or so ago and have posted about it. Easy to test. Just take any of the turns when Japan is attacking multiple locations on a turn. Then save and run the turn in two different ways. Run the turn with all allied units set to bombard and then run the turn with all allied units set to defend only. Observe the results.

You'll notice that allied losses are much heavier when they bombard and their combat odds are worse.

To be clear I was not complaining. Having to defend against two threats simultainiously, (ground attack and para's in the rear) would reduce my defence strength.

I would only consider this gamey only if the opponent send 1 or 2 squads of para's or amphibious troops just to trigger the bonus. In this case it appears that Jwilkerson sent a significant para unit.

2 July:

China: Japan shock attacks at Canton and is shut down. 0 to 1 odds and 4000+ loses for a couple hundred lost on my part. Canton's production is now shut off. At Wuhan Japan has brought in a 5th division indicating he may have designs of driving me off. This will be difficult in the urban terrain now that I am well dug in.

Burma: I have reluctantly called off my offensive against Burma. I just don't think I have the required air superiority now that Japan's Betty force is no longer occupied against PM. I have visions of those 300 Betties flying out of Rangoon and sinking all 14 of my AP's. Having two UK divisions lost at sea would be a disaster and I don't yet have the fighter strength to prevent it.

I'm am maintaining the diversion for another couple days. A large fleet of AK's (of which I have millions!!) will start toward Akyab along with some ASW/MSW TF's to simulate the invasion which I have so clearly telagraphed. But I will stay within a couple hexes of Daca so that I can provide heavy fighter cover. Maybe I can pull an ambush and splash some of his planes.

My counter-air offensive had another good turn after taking last one off to rest. 46 zero's went down mostly at Mandalay where I sent my heavy bombers. 15 zeros' were lost in air-to-air with the rest lost on the ground. Overall I've been killing his planes at about a 1 to1 ratio, but a lot of my losses are bombers.

1:1 attrition is your friend, not his. [:D][:D]
 
I would wait on attacking in Burma until '43. But, keep up as constant on AF attacks on possible sites for counterattack so he doesn't have the time to build them all up to level 9 forts.

4 July:

China: I think he's figured out my plan as he is not going to let me just walk into Nanchang. He has moved 6 units one hex up the road where I currently have 6 Corps. I don't know what his units are but I assume I will find out soon. I have 7 or 8 more Corps headed that way so maybe we will have a fight in the clear terrain near Nanchang. By moving his units up he managed to surround one of my HQ unts that somehow found himself alone. I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???

Burma: A quiet day although my Bolo's managed to get ambushed over Akyab by over 30 zero's. My escorts were over my fake invasion TF which was not molested.

Numea: A small surface force (1 BB and a couple CA's that I can see) appears headed for Luganville. I'm not too worried about this as all that is there is a group of Catalina's. He can invade there if he wants. There is only a BDE and a base force there and I have left the airbase at level 2 so that he cannot invade and then fly hoards of Betties from there.

Meanwhile minelaying ops have begun in earnest and I'll be placing 320 mines each 2 day turn from my ML's. Swarms of subs are on their way and the few that are on hand are also mineing the area.

At this stage prep points have to be an issue for Japan. The 4 divisions at PM will take 2 months to prep for any new invasion. So I'm guessing they will rest for a while.

Did you get any fragments out from PM or did you lose your USMC division??

It's all lost.

I tried to get a bit out at the last minute but the airfield was crap and he took the base way faster then I thought.

In any event its OK as I don't think troop strength is my problem. I will have plenty of troops when I go on the offfensive. the problem is naval strength which I don't have at the moment.

Had I saved a fragment I could have built it up to a decent unit by the end of 43. But by then I will have plenty of ground force. And in the end only naval/air force maters.

I think you will have an uphill battle when it comes to re-conquering the Pacifc as Joe has lost very few large cpaital ships and KB will be used to make you pay a steep price for any mistakes you make. The next fews months or more will be relatively boring as you biuld up your forces. The fun will start once you decide on how you want to attack him.

Good Luck!![:D]

I suppose I agree. I has been impossible to hurt his fleet as he keeps it always in a tight mass. He still has the initiative so we will see what he does with the next couple months.

My entire fleet is in port upgrading and repairing. His fleet has been at sea continuously for a long time now.

At some point don't his carriers have to head back to Japan for upgrades and repairs??

He can probably rotate about 2 CV/CVL's to Japan for upgrades and keep KB close to 100% and down where it can react quickly. Sorry...

6 July:

Burma: A nice little turn as 16 A6M3 zero's go down for 6 crappy Buffalo's amd 4 P40B's. Next turn I'll send my heavy's in and see if I can hurt him some more. It's nice that he has returned to the skies over Burma so that I can kill his planes. Why???? I can only guess that the threat of invasion has caused him to fight in the air.

Numea: That surface force disappears. I'm not sure where his CV's have gone too. But I have lots of PBY's in the area so if they were headed anywhere south I suspect I would see them.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

He can probably rotate about 2 CV/CVL's to Japan for upgrades and keep KB close to 100% and down where it can react quickly. Sorry...

Well I don't know about this. The carriers left the Java battle about the beginning of March. The raid between Palmyra and Canton started on 23 April. So there was no time to go back to Japan and repair.

OK maybe they ran from Java to Japan and had 15 days there before running to the east Pacific. But certainly not enough time to upgrade and repair system damage. So basically his ships have been at sea the whole war. I suspect they have to have some serious system damage at this point.

I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???

yes they do (from a player that has lost all of china [:D])

ORIGINAL: KDonovan

I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???

yes they do (from a player that has lost all of china [:D])

Thanks, I knew ground units did but wasn't sure about HQ's. In the meantime my HQ is battling it out by itself against a Japanese Division [:D][:D].....

Ground combat at 49,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22481 troops, 255 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 482
Defending force 3580 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 525 - adjusted assault: 1135
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 23
Japanese assault odds: 49 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported[8|]
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Ground combat at 49,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22421 troops, 255 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 482
Defending force 3480 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 525 - adjusted assault: 1050
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 42 to 1

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported [8|]

If it holds out another day I will be able to provide it an escape route.

Contrast this to my first USMC division at PM which surrendered on the first day. I wish they would fix the problem with suurounded units in the countryside. In this case however it works to my advantage.