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Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:52 pm**

ORIGINAL: balto

I ain't touching that until it gets a little better.., man, so many are pissed on that board.., unsure what is true and what is false.

I know that's the thing; I have been blissfully enjoying my time with HOI 3 and then go to their forum and wham! You would think the game was a complete fiasco lol. It seems to me the number one factor throwing a lot of people is this isn't HOI 2, in the sense that historically it ran on rails. With HOI 3 it is almost entirely freeform, which for me is a good thing. Yes I am sure things need to be adjusted and/or fixed, but so far for me it has been a hell of a game as Germany VH in the 36 GC. I am just mopping up Poland in late 39 and now have to drive the French back to the Maginot line, or perhaps let them come some more and then cut them off

I didn't sign the MR pact with Russia so Poland is taking a little longer. I haven't experienced any slowdown and have let the AI handle my Armies for the most part, except for the PanzerArmee I created. Japan was pushed back to Korea but is now staging a huge comeback against CommunistChina, however CC has just now joined the Comintern. Very interesting developments to come I think...

Posted: **Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:12 pm**

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

save some money for next month

maybe

I have an open credit card for Matrix games. [;)] When I say I'm cooling it on the game buying, Matrix is not included in that statement.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:05 am**

Im enjoying HOI3.Most of the rants and raves on the forum are toning down.Seems people are learning the game mechanics.There are a lot of bugs and AI is too easy.As germany in 36 scenario,managed to get most of Europe into Axis with the exception of France,UK and Poland.Most people it seems do not understand the importance of spies and diplomacy.Most "bugs' seem to be people simply not knowing the game and how it works.One example thats funny is people not understanding why most countries drift away from them when they DOW too much.Its a game of patience.Once the patch is released in a few weeks and game is polished i think it will become a classic.Not for the casual gamer though,pretty grognard.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:37 am**

Most of the rants and raves on the forum are toning down.

 
Yeah mainly because Vulture and the other moderators are banning people left and right for the smallest of infractions. He banned one guy just for asking when the patch was going to be out. Just because there's a sticky doesn't mean everyone has read it or wants to read it. Never have liked the gestapo moderators at Paradox. And Vulture is just plain crazy mad with his attitude.
Another guy asked about why CK was still having to be played with the beta patch of last October and the moderator said he didn't have to answer that question. Never seen so many snobbish moderators in my life.
Paradox has always been well known for squelching negative postings especially when they hit on the truth of the matter. It's not like this hasn't happened before and many times. They will easily ban people and delete/remove threads in a heartbeat.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:42 am**

Well, bravo to them... They make bad games and ban people from their forums for asking when the next patch comes out. Bra-vo...[:-][8|]

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:44 am**

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

Most of the rants and raves on the forum are toning down.

Yeah mainly because Vulture and the other moderators are banning people left and right for the smallest of infractions. He banned one guy just for asking when the patch was going to be out.

Ban them all and let god sort 'em out, that's what I always say.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:08 am**

The most funny thing is that when they ban you, you don't have access to tech support for your games.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:19 pm**

OK, the PI bashing continue (even after Erik stated it wasn't...... suitable. Well, not my problem, luckily. And by that I mean both here and over at PI

. After voicing my concerns "over there", I was contacted by PI directly and asked to help by testing some solutions to the quite serious "CTD when starting". Have been running a couple of tests and providing them with logs etc. Not so bad from a company that according to a few of the posts above <OK, bad case of generalizing coming up!> makes North Korea look like smooth democracy

<OK. Helmet, knee protection, gloves and protective eyewear on to cover myself from potential corrective spanking>

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:16 pm**

ORIGINAL: Widell

OK, the PI bashing continue (even after Erik stated it wasn't...... suitable. Well, not my problem, luckily. And by that I mean both here and over at PI . After voicing my concerns "over there", I was contacted by PI directly and asked to help by testing some solutions to the quite serious "CTD when starting". Have been running a couple of tests and providing them with logs etc. Not so bad from a company that according to a few of the posts above <OK, bad case of generalizing coming up!> makes North Korea look like smooth democracy <OK. Helmet, knee protection, gloves and protective eyewear on to cover myself from potential corrective spanking>

That is great! Asking the customer to fix their problem. Why not have these "serious" issues working when they release the game?

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:15 pm**

ORIGINAL: vonRocko
That is great! Asking the customer to fix their problem. Why not have these "serious" issues working when they release the game?

I dunno.. when a customer report a problem with THEIR machine configuration it would be nice to help them with it maybe?

Last time I checked, each PC is different, and when you get a few hundred thousand customers you get quite a few setups which causes problems. Even if we went out and bought a completely identical PC from parts, it would not be guaranteed to be the same setup. To help a specific customer, it is better to give them a new executable to track down potential problems with.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:51 pm**

Methinks this thread has now seriously outlived it's usefulness.    

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:22 pm**

Ok guys, I have to agree that I think many of the posts in this thread are not constructive. If the bashing continues, this thread will be locked.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:28 pm**

ORIGINAL: vonRocko
ORIGINAL: Widell
OK, the PI bashing continue (even after Erik stated it wasn't...... suitable. Well, not my problem, luckily. And by that I mean both here and over at PI . After voicing my concerns "over there", I was contacted by PI directly and asked to help by testing some solutions to the quite serious "CTD when starting". Have been running a couple of tests and providing them with logs etc. Not so bad from a company that according to a few of the posts above <OK, bad case of generalizing coming up!> makes North Korea look like smooth democracy <OK. Helmet, knee protection, gloves and protective eyewear on to cover myself from potential corrective spanking>

That is great! Asking the customer to fix their problem. Why not have these "serious" issues working when they release the game?

Seriously? Tell me you are kidding right? It's me using english as a second language and fails to see the joke? Well, in case my english was not understandable: I did NOT say PI asked ME to fix THEIR problem. I offered to help in testing as I have a computer which, and this I fully agree with, SHOULD BE ABLE TO RUN THE GAME WHEN LAUNCHED (Sorry about the caps lock. Just want to make sure I highlight some key statements so they don't get lost along the way here). Now, obviously, this CTD issue was NOT resolved. I CANNOT "fix" that problem as I don't have access, nor skill, to the code. I can help with TESTING solutions as they had a problem reproducing the CTD. What's wrong with accepting such help? It utterly fails me how that can warrant a ridiculing comment? But then again, I may be misunderstanding your whole comment....

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:29 pm**

ORIGINAL: Hertston
Methinks this thread has now seriously outlived it's usefulness.

+1 Well put Hertston....

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:28 pm**

ORIGINAL: killroyishere

Most of the rants and raves on the forum are toning down.

Yeah mainly because Vulture and the other moderators are banning people left and right for the smallest of infractions. He banned one guy just for asking when the patch was going to be out. Just because there's a sticky doesn't mean everyone has read it or wants to read it. Never have liked the gestapo moderators at Paradox. And Vulture is just plain crazy mad with his attitude.
Another guy asked about why CK was still having to be played with the beta patch of last October and the moderator said he didn't have to answer that question. Never seen so many snobbish moderators in my life.
Paradox has always been well known for squelching negative postings especially when they hit on the truth of the matter. It's not like this hasn't happened before and many times. They will easily ban people and delete/remove threads in a heartbeat.

It actually works on an infraction system to get banned as well as some obvious rules(no bad mouthing people,threats etc).The posters are warned first(unless it is very serious) and given an infraction.I have one myself for calling someone a "whiner".Also people are warned to stop posting the same message over and over.If they ccontinue and get banned its their own fault.Can you share the link of the banned person asking when the patch will be released?Are you 100% sure that was the reason?Have you read all posts by this individual?Bottom line here is no game is released in a perfect state.They all have patches.I think for such an in depth,detailed ground breaking game,they did an excellent job.As for performance issues,some people have them others dont.My pc is barely the minimum specs and game runs a little slower than HOI2.I think a lot of this has been blown way out of proportion by a small minority determined to complain about anything and everything.Most of the posters complaining for some reason,dont have the game registered.That makes me think the copy they have is pirated and that could possibly be an explanation of their performance issues.Who knows.I dont.

Posted: **Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:47 pm**

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
It actually works on an infraction system to get banned as well as some obvious rules(no bad mouthing people,threats etc).The posters are warned first(unless it is very serious) and given an infraction.I have one myself for calling someone a "whiner".Also people are warned to stop posting the same message over and over.If they ccontinue and get banned its their own fault.Can you share the link of the banned person asking when the patch will be released?Are you 100% sure that was the reason?Have you read all posts by this individual?Bottom line here is no game is released in a perfect state.They all have patches.I think for such an in depth,detailed ground breaking game,they did an excellent job.As for performance issues,some people have them others dont.My pc is barely the minimum specs and game runs a little slower than HOI2.I think a lot of this has been blown way out of proportion by a small minority determined to complain about anything and everything.Most of the posters complaining for some reason,dont have the game registered.That makes me think the copy they have is pirated and that could possibly be an explanation of their performance issues.Who knows.I dont.

This explains the situation fairly well. I have spent some hours at the PI forums recently and have read views from every angle. It seems rather clear that PI is not paranoid of customers complaints (some who have not registered the game yet-maybe don't have it??) I have followed several of the hot threads. It really does to seem like some actually want to be banned-maybe its a badge of honor for some.

It is entirely possible to be very negative about HoI3 and not be banned-all you have to do is avoid being rude. I did see one mod mention trolling for the reason for banning one individual. If that individuals last post is all you read, it might leave you wondering what Paradox Mod's are thinking. However, if you were following the hot threads for a while, you would see that particular individual was trolling. He got exactly what he was looking for.

PI's rules may be strick, but are easy for most to follow. I have had some differences in opinion with some there, but I have never even come close to getting a warning-it ain't rocket science.

As for the game, it is running rock solid for me, if a little slow and strange things with diplomacy. It will be a great game.

Posted: **Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:21 am**

ORIGINAL: Widell

After voicing my concerns "over there", I was contacted by PI directly and asked to help by testing some solutions to the quite serious "CTD when starting".

Widell, I apologise if I misunderstood. But you must admit,that sentence makes it sound like PI asked you to deal with that problem. My question is still valid,despite Johans' generic copout answer about different machines. Some companies do release functioning games,they just aren't one of them.

Posted: **Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:22 pm**

ORIGINAL: vonRocko
ORIGINAL: Widell
After voicing my concerns "over there", I was contacted by PI directly and asked to help by testing some solutions to the quite serious "CTD when starting".
Widell, I apologise if I misunderstood. But you must admit,that sentence makes it sound like PI asked you to deal with that problem. My question is still valid,despite Johans' generic copout answer about different machines. Some companies do release functioning games,they just aren't one of them.

As I said, it's most likely my poor english that made that come out differently. I do agree some companies make more consistent releases with fewer issues than others, but that was not my point. My point was that they were working very actively to bring the CTD issue to a closure, and myself as a customer reacted favorably to their response. Nothing more, nothing less....

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:47 pm**

How do you handle the Consumer Goods production?
I always have to play in the production screen if I don't want to hand over the whole production to the AI. That can't be intended - and that's no fun, too!

The alternative is producting too much consumer goods for no benefit or producting too few which results in dissent...

Posted: **Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:53 pm**

ORIGINAL: Historiker

How do you handle the Consumer Goods production?
I always have to play in the production screen if I don't want to hand over the whole production to the AI. That can't be intended - and that's no fun, too!

The alternative is producting too much consumer goods for no benefit or producting too few which results in dissent...

Historiker,

I usually visit the production screen every few days - sooner if the dissent gets into the red. I tend to lock production sliders (right click on them) after giving each category a little surplus. I don't worry about being 100% efficient all the time.

With a little practice you can get good at anticipating problems. However, production is PART of the game -- you can't ignore it, and it does take some tending.

Regards,
Feltan

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