How much

[htuna]

Video games prices of the past are not relevant... VHS tapes were 80 bucks back then, you can buy a new movie for 16 bucks now.... You can buy HOI III for 10 bucks at any sale. you can get WW2 Tales of Wrath for 5 bucks at gamers gate last week. TOW2 Kursk can be grabbed very cheap as well.. there's plenty of good low priced games out there. Board games are also a totally different item - they can be resold - they may even go up in value - there is cost for materials for every unit.

On the other hand, do I think WITE is worth 80 bucks and I'll get my money's worth... YES!

However with such an 'approachable' game, I think it does blow the chance of getting a much bigger audience if it was 50 with all the fan-fair from the people who have bought it and love it!

WITP I think needs to be 80, cause not that many people can get into it (even though it's a great game in it's own right).. This game however, is not 'niche' material.. The approachability is almost Beer and Pretzel like.. but the yet depth is readily apparent, that this is a masterpiece!

But this game here, any of those HOI/EU3/HPS and other strategy game lovers out there, would have an easy time slipping into this one. It's so fun, and you can just hop right in. But as you play (and even though your having simple fun), you see you have so much more to learn.. and then you realize, that due to this, how much playing time your really gonna get out of it! Looking forward to when I start that first FULL campaign!

Great job Matrix/Developers/Testers!!

[jomni]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625
This game however, is not 'niche' material.. The approachability is almost Beer and Pretzel like.. but the yet depth is readily apparent, that this is a masterpiece!

Exactly why I'm beginning to prefer WITE over WITP

[E]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

I never bought those $60-$80 games back in the 80's either though.

I did. I didn't buy any magazines back then. I just wanted a new game (or two!) each week for the weekend. Every week Friday stops at the local software shop (I miss software stores that let you try a full program on their machine, before buying!), always ending in at least $60 + tax sales. It was actually a savings for me if I stayed away from two $60 games in one weekend (based on my other hobby back then... drinking to excess!). I sure didn't want to wait for mail order!

ORIGINAL: diablo1
You could get all the SSI games for $20-$30 off at Chips & Bits anyways and later on several other bargain bin magazine ad sites. Sort of like NWS has most of HPS games for $20 off now and sells the boxed version of Matrixgames for the same price as the digital download.

Downline resellers are a completely different issue from the MSRP of War in the East in the context of the MSRP of the original War in Russia.

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ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

Video games prices of the past are not relevant... VHS tapes were 80 bucks back then

No, but Grigsby games are. And they don't come on VHS tapes! *grin*

[htuna]

ORIGINAL: E

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

Video games prices of the past are not relevant... VHS tapes were 80 bucks back then

No, but Grigsby games are. And they don't come on VHS tapes! *grin*

The funny thing is, the PC that I played those old games on (at least early 90's), cost 2500 bucks and it was a 'clunker'.. my last one, I probably built for 700, and it plays FPS like COD Blackops with everything on High and runs like a dream!.. and I built two more for my sons.

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ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

ORIGINAL: E

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

Video games prices of the past are not relevant... VHS tapes were 80 bucks back then

No, but Grigsby games are. And they don't come on VHS tapes! *grin*

The funny thing is, the PC that I played those old games on (at least early 90's), cost 2500 bucks and it was a 'clunker'.. my last one, I probably built for 700, and it plays FPS like COD Blackops with everything on High and runs like a dream!.. and I built two more for my sons.

The machine I played them on, only cost me about $2500.00 + tax, out the door. It was an Apple IIe with 128k, I say again, 128k ram(!) and get this, DISK drives! (I went ALL out... no kidding.) It was the 80's. However, that Apple didn't make it home before stopping and buying a Grigsby game! (as well as another SSI title *grin*)

PC's weren't even close to being a viable option back then, for _so_ many reasons.

[torrone]

I've never had any problem with Matrix games I've bought from NWS.

[torrone]

I posed a question in another thread about how much the game would sell based on it's rather high price point. Of course it is a niche market game and will not sell like a Call of Duty or Medal of Honor games, nor should it expect to. It is a totally different market. I read where the hard copy version is sold out and awaiting a reprint. This is misleading as it is my understanding that Matrix produces its the docs for its games on an 'as needed' basis. I am a Grigsby fan and have purchased, played, and enjoyed many of his games. And with the amount of time and research put into a game like this, the price is going to be high because it will not sell like a mainstream game. The fact that the game has been lauded here by hardcore grognards means little. They would by the game regardless of price(and obviously have). But how many of them are there really? Enough to make this a success for Matrix? So what's the number of sales that would make this a success for Matrix?

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: torrone
...I read where the hard copy version is sold out and awaiting a reprint. This is misleading as it is my understanding that Matrix produces its the docs for its games on an 'as needed' basis.

No - I don't think so and I think it's your statement which is misleading.

afaik Matrix have no idea exactly how many copies they sell. They have an estimate on what the game will sell and they produce manuals and boxed sets based on that figure. They do not wait for your order to come in before they print your manuals. An "as needed" basis would not be cost effective. The games they provide manuals for are produced in bulk (regardless of how many they actually sell) to keep the costs of printing down.

[JudgeDredd]

By the way - I am lauding over the game. It's design is sleek. It's interface intuitive. It's game play is well designed.

Two things though - I am not a "hardcore" Gary Grigsby fan...I liked a few things he's done, but I wouldn't rush out and buy his latest just because it's him (no offence Gary) and secondly I am most definitely not a grognard. I'm a casual (bad) strategy gamer (tactical or strategic) who enjoys the thrill of planning and executing. I can pick up the latest racing game or FPS just as quickly as I could pick up a wargame.

[ReconPathFinder]

Buy everything Matrix, have from the day they opened so that tells a lot about my age and time and investment here but, I'll wait for a special or sale. Matrix has a perfect right to price their product as they feel they need to, but its pricing me out as a customer. Ive seen some huge leaps in their pricing but this one is beyond what I am willing to continue purchasing. Love the series and I think Matrix is one of the top tier companies in this genre, but its just frankly pricing me out as a customer. Nothing negative on Matrix's side, they provide a quality product and quality support, but my wallet is simply not endless in funds. I will still purchase this down the road, but I for the first time as a long time customer can not buy on release anymore. Obviously I spend more time playing than posting. So its a difficult decision to even voice an opinion. Look forward to this title though in the future.

[diablo1]

And yes,yes I paid full price for it so you may laugh at me to your hearts content. I have no complaints.

[Tophat1815]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

And yes,yes I paid full price for it so you may laugh at me to your hearts content. I have no complaints.

Guess you told me.............[:D]

[pompack]

Tophat:

When I saw that you had posted here, I checked the post because I always respect your comments. However, in this case it was annoying since I greenbuttoned this troll long ago. When you copy like this it bypasses the green button and displays it anyway.

I recommend that you try the green button him yourself so we stop feeding the guy.[8|]

[Tophat1815]

You are correct,I apologize for taking the thread in a petty and absurd direction. Knew I shouldn't have gone there when I did it which is worse.

[PyleDriver]

Whats funny is the guys that bitch the most about the price, are the first to say it was well spent money afterall...I understand 80 dollars is 80 dollars. But can't tell you how many games I spent 30 dollars for that are on my shelve collecting dust...

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: pompack

Tophat:

When I saw that you had posted here, I checked the post because I always respect your comments. However, in this case it was annoying since I greenbuttoned this troll long ago. When you copy like this it bypasses the green button and displays it anyway.

I recommend that you try the green button him yourself so we stop feeding the guy.[8|]

pompack you remind me of another poster who used to be here who always trolled about who he had greenbuttoned. Is that you Frank? Nobody cares who you greenbutton.

[JudgeDredd]

tbh diablo1 - I thought that was you [:'(]

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: PyleDriver

Whats funny is the guys that bitch the most about the price, are the first to say it was well spent money afterall...I understand 80 dollars is 80 dollars. But can't tell you how many games I spent 30 dollars for that are on my shelve collecting dust...

I'll bite - who specifically is kicking around these forums that bitched about the price are now saying it's worth the price? hmm?

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

tbh diablo1 - I thought that was you [:'(]

Me? Nah I'm not afraid of anyones opinion on here.

So, are you finding this game is worth the $80 you dished out for it Judge?