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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Oh and how about an AI for World in Flames while you're at it making SPWAW. [&o]

aatoysandmore - is it true your new handle is 'SPForever'? [:)]

Sadly I loaded up SPWAW today and the grapics almost make it unplayable anymore. The units blend in with the terrain to well and SP for windows isn't much better but I can see the infantry in it. Thas why we need an update and to keep this on the front page forever.[:D]

But, don'tcha think it would be a real "beauty" to remake SPWAW sooner than later. [:)]

Also, what do you guys think is a good campaign size for an army? Like how many build points? I don't like large battles with 100's of units. Just something moderate will do.

ATG 2.21 adds TO&E Templates: a classic that keeps getting better.

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

But, don'tcha think it would be a real "beauty" to remake SPWAW sooner than later. [:)]

Also, what do you guys think is a good campaign size for an army? Like how many build points? I don't like large battles with 100's of units. Just something moderate will do.

ORIGINAL: Webizen

ATG 2.21 adds TO&E Templates: a classic that keeps getting better.

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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

But, don'tcha think it would be a real "beauty" to remake SPWAW sooner than later. [:)]

Also, what do you guys think is a good campaign size for an army? Like how many build points? I don't like large battles with 100's of units. Just something moderate will do.

What's TOE? and I like that first statement out of that person.

TO&E = Table of Organization & Equipment. See post.

That is the cool thing about Steel Panthers, you could set it up anyway you liked. From small battles all the way up to full kampfruppes every nation who fought in WW2, every front whatever you prefered at that moment... This is my reason it's a classic that should be upgraded.

ORIGINAL: Rodwonder

That is the cool thing about Steel Panthers, you could set it up anyway you liked. From small battles all the way up to full kampfruppes every nation who fought in WW2, every front whatever you prefered at that moment... This is my reason it's a classic that should be upgraded.

Yes, my favorite is still US vs Japan. What are youse guys favorite settings for a skirmish? Total troops and stuff like that?

Steel Panthers, "Wargame of the century".
The only game players still playing during last 20 years...

ORIGINAL: Rodwonder

That is the cool thing about Steel Panthers, you could set it up anyway you liked. From small battles all the way up to full kampfruppes every nation who fought in WW2, every front whatever you prefered at that moment... This is my reason it's a classic that should be upgraded.

Another good reason for SP:WaW

ORIGINAL: maitrebongo
Steel Panthers, "Wargame of the century".
The only game players still playing during last 20 years...

And yet another... so true!

As many fans as SPWAW has you'd think they'd already made a SP II. Wonder why? Matrix? Slitherine? Iain? Erik?

I was involved with SPWAW for a few years, and there was a lot of infighting involved in it. I won't go into any details, but thankfully a few of the players got involved and updated the game on their own. Once programmer Mike Wood got involved, they made several improvements on top of SPWAW 8.403 and came up with SPWAW Enhanced. This is the version I still play, along with a few self-designed OOB changes.

The main reason it hasn't been changed is the age of the game code. To redo the game would mean a complete rewrite from the bottom up. Anyone who has worked on the OOBs alone know that there is an incredible amount of data in the game.

Now, Matrix cannot sell the game as a standalone product, due to the original legal agreement. The MegaCampaigns were designed inhouse, but the last one done was in 2004.

Until Mike Wood gave us some guidelines in OOB design, there were many changes done which royally screwed up the game. I was one of the crew who learned this firsthand and benefited from his guidance. I kept my notes from the repair work we started some 10 years ago, which continued until recently.

I still believe that our USMC OOB is the most comprehensive of any WWII tactical wargame in existence. We were benefited by the research of author Gordon Rottman in his books. I bought several of them, and they were invaluable in the research for SPWAW.

Kewl KG I didn't know that. Now I'm wondering CAN Matrixgames/Slitherine do another SPWAW?

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Kewl KG I didn't know that. Now I'm wondering CAN Matrixgames/Slitherine do another SPWAW?

Battle Academy is basically SPWAW-lite and has done fairly well (well enough to get a sequel). The success of XCOM and the hype over XCOM2 is basically proof there's a big mainstream audience of people looking for tactical turn-based games if they're presented right.

So maybe you have to ditch the IP (but the IP is worthless anyway) and give it a new name but there's no reason that if you found the right team you couldn't just make another game but also have it be really successful.

In addition to wanting the SSG resurrection, I would love to see Avalon Hill's Third Reich re-done.  Not sure it qualifies as a "classic" but, it might be more manageable than waiting for WiF to be solo friendly (ie, with an AI).

Battle Academy is basically SPWAW-lite...

If SP:WaW was remade to be like Battle Academy I would vomit blood and never even consider buying it.

ORIGINAL: JEB Davis

Battle Academy is basically SPWAW-lite...

If SP:WaW was remade to be like Battle Academy I would vomit blood and never even consider buying it.

Well, let's not get hasty here. I could deal with the Battle Academy graphics with the SPWAW combat engine with all the checks and balances. SPWAW needs a graphics facelift, the combat engine calculations were fine. Just tired of looking at blotches on my screen. I'd even take Panzer Corp 'graphics' but not either it or Battle Academy's combat engine.

I'm comfortable with my hasty comment.

I didn't mean that SPWAW should become Battle Academy, I meant that the fact that Battle Academy basically copied and pasted and then did a bit of streamlining of how to control units from SPWAW indicates that there's some fundamentals there that have stood the test of time.

I want to see Bungie's Myth redone in full 3d glory.

"Make way for the Dwarves!"