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RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 9:49 pm
by Footslogger
ORIGINAL: Scott_USN
I work in IT and now we have this huge panic where everyone thinks they will need VPN to work from home when the apocalypse arrives from China. Even though 20% the organization has had the flu this year because it was really bad. Anyway so that his hundreds of people setup on VPN but they don't even really know what it is. [&:]
VPN's are great if your at a website and it says, "Your not allowed to view this in your country."
Is your company running a special too?
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:10 pm
by RangerJoe
The Problem With Telling Sick Workers to Stay Home
Even with the coronavirus spreading, lax labor laws and little sick leave mean that many people can’t afford to skip work.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ket-newtab
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:31 pm
by BBfanboy
In my Public Service career I had to manage a large number of employees so I got a pretty good overview of how life works. The employee contract gave a fairly generous sick leave allowance each year - something like 21 days of paid sick leave per year. Unused sick leave was accumulated and carried over to subsequent years so you could accumulate quite a lot during your career. Unfortunately, it was not paid out on leaving the Public Service so you had an incentive to use it rather than lose it.
Here's where the observations on human nature come in. Invariably, the good workers banked their sick leave until they had a serious illness and used it then. The ones you had to constantly cajole to get back to work would use up their entire sick leave allowance each year - a sort of extra vacation leave for them. I was not allowed to ask them about the nature of the illness or verify with their doctor about it.
The ones who banked their sick time sometimes had serious accidents or illness that took them off work for months. They usually had enough paid sick leave to cover it. The ones who used up their sick leave had nothing in the bank when misfortune hit them and they had months off without pay. The latter displayed much weeping and gnashing of teeth ...[8|]
I banked my sick leave and toward the end of my career took about 10 "wellness" days over the final year because I was getting worn out and felt I had earned the odd break to recharge. But I sure wish there could have been even a token % payout for the three years sick leave I had accumulated! [:)]
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:47 pm
by RangerJoe
I agree with you about the payout. But depending upon the size of the orgaization right where the sick workers are, maybe someone could do a quick test or even a teleconference with a medical provider about whether they should stay home or go to work. Luckily, I don't have that problem.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:23 am
by witpqs
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:13 am
by RangerJoe
So the death rate is actually for those cases of Carona virus that appear to be severe enough to be tested.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:05 am
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
In my Public Service career I had to manage a large number of employees so I got a pretty good overview of how life works. The employee contract gave a fairly generous sick leave allowance each year - something like 21 days of paid sick leave per year. Unused sick leave was accumulated and carried over to subsequent years so you could accumulate quite a lot during your career. Unfortunately, it was not paid out on leaving the Public Service so you had an incentive to use it rather than lose it.
Here's where the observations on human nature come in. Invariably, the good workers banked their sick leave until they had a serious illness and used it then. The ones you had to constantly cajole to get back to work would use up their entire sick leave allowance each year - a sort of extra vacation leave for them. I was not allowed to ask them about the nature of the illness or verify with their doctor about it.
The ones who banked their sick time sometimes had serious accidents or illness that took them off work for months. They usually had enough paid sick leave to cover it. The ones who used up their sick leave had nothing in the bank when misfortune hit them and they had months off without pay. The latter displayed much weeping and gnashing of teeth ...[8|]
I banked my sick leave and toward the end of my career took about 10 "wellness" days over the final year because I was getting worn out and felt I had earned the odd break to recharge. But I sure wish there could have been even a token % payout for the three years sick leave I had accumulated! [:)]
Wow, just wow! If only every employer had such magnanimous policies. Most architecture firms are very small businesses on the order of 4-20 employees. My current employer has three employees. I get 15 paid days off a year to share between vacation and sick days. Have NEVER gotten more than that in any firm I worked in over the last 45 years. Is the 21 days of paid sick leave in addition to vacation time? Wow, just wow!
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:43 am
by Erik Rutins
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:48 am
by Erik Rutins
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
From an interventional / treatment perspective, diagnostic tests are a tool that will help dictate the next course of action. Too many people think that testing for testing sake is worthwhile. Usually it's not. Unless one is trying to determine the next course of action for a choice of available treatments or gain in-depth understanding of disease incidence/prevalance, the information gathered by diagnostic testing is often overrated.
The best period for having an abundance of testing was when it could still be easily contained, but testing has to go along with restrictions on travel and many other policies. My greatest disappointment about this situation is that the US dropped the ball in multiple areas including testing, while it did better than most in one area (travel restrictions).
Here's an example of a place that did it right, but it remains to be seen if this virus is containable even with doing everything right:
https://healthpolicy.fsi.stanford.edu/n ... oronavirus
It seems like a catch 22 from the standpoint of a society that has been used to a certain "normal" for a century. If you do "too much" to stop an event that may kill millions of people (and what's "too much" in that case?) then you're an alarmist. But if you aren't proactive and it kills millions of people, that's negligence of the highest and most tragic order.
Regards,
- Erik
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:58 am
by btd64
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:17 am
by RangerJoe
ORIGINAL: btd64
That's unsettling....GP
I hate to sound crass, but you have to die from something. Also, those most likely to die already have health problems whether known or unknown.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 am
by MakeeLearn
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
That's what happened on the few occasions I was invited to a high school party. All the guys would be talking about cars or sports, and I'd try to change the topic to the Civil War or butterflies or Olivia DeHaviland.
Conversations stoppers, circa 1978.
MakeeLearn, circa 2020. [:'(]
Her: "I think we are ready to take our relationship to the next level."
Me: I've been thinking, was Lee's relationship with Jeb Stuart a contributing factor in...."
Her:
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:27 am
by Kull
LOL - What guy hasn't been on the receiving end of that stare at some point in his life?!
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:45 am
by Canoerebel
That can't be right.
The "15 million dead" figure is the best case scenario of seven tested?
That doesn't seem even remotely possible, judging by the (seemingly) credible information that's out there, including from Johns Hopkins.
If the virus has basically tapered off in China, with a total of 3,000 deaths and holding steady, how is it going to explode to 15 million (or worse! worse! worse!) worldwide?
The charts and data don't show it.
It's early, yet, to draw hard conclusions, but it seems most likely now that the trends are improving.
Or, what in the world am I missing?
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:48 am
by Canoerebel
The date given by Johns Hopkins, consistent with other credible sources, seems encouraging rather than discouraging.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:56 am
by Kull
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Or, what in the world am I missing?
You are missing the fact that a for-profit Media enterprise is looking to generate additional income (i.e through web site "clicks") by publicizing the extremely scary findings of an obscure research group.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:05 pm
by MakeeLearn
Been seeing this crisis being used as fuel for OTHER things...
From the original source
https://anu.prezly.com/coronavirus-is-h ... ent-171409
PDF at the bottom of page.
"The idea that any country can be an island in an integrated global economy is proven wrong by the
latest outbreak of COVID-19. Global cooperation, especially in the sphere of public health and
economic development, is essential. All major countries need to participate actively. It is too
late to act once the disease has taken hold in many other countries and attempt to close borders
once a pandemic has started."
Along the same lines...
WHO Urges People To Go 'Cashless' Because 'Dirty Banknotes Can Spread The Virus'
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-w ... -worldwide
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:13 pm
by jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
In my Public Service career I had to manage a large number of employees so I got a pretty good overview of how life works. The employee contract gave a fairly generous sick leave allowance each year - something like 21 days of paid sick leave per year. Unused sick leave was accumulated and carried over to subsequent years so you could accumulate quite a lot during your career. Unfortunately, it was not paid out on leaving the Public Service so you had an incentive to use it rather than lose it.
Here's where the observations on human nature come in. Invariably, the good workers banked their sick leave until they had a serious illness and used it then. The ones you had to constantly cajole to get back to work would use up their entire sick leave allowance each year - a sort of extra vacation leave for them. I was not allowed to ask them about the nature of the illness or verify with their doctor about it.
The ones who banked their sick time sometimes had serious accidents or illness that took them off work for months. They usually had enough paid sick leave to cover it. The ones who used up their sick leave had nothing in the bank when misfortune hit them and they had months off without pay. The latter displayed much weeping and gnashing of teeth ...[8|]
I banked my sick leave and toward the end of my career took about 10 "wellness" days over the final year because I was getting worn out and felt I had earned the odd break to recharge. But I sure wish there could have been even a token % payout for the three years sick leave I had accumulated! [:)]
Wow, just wow! If only every employer had such magnanimous policies. Most architecture firms are very small businesses on the order of 4-20 employees. My current employer has three employees. I get 15 paid days off a year to share between vacation and sick days. Have NEVER gotten more than that in any firm I worked in over the last 45 years. Is the 21 days of paid sick leave in addition to vacation time? Wow, just wow!
We have sick/vacay here as well, and it doesn't carry over. You have to use the correct one for the correct occasion. When my employees don't have sick leave left at the end of the year, I usually don't employ them here the next year. I have taken maybe 2 sick days in 15 years.
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:14 pm
by jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: btd64
That's unsettling....GP
It's a miss quote - they meant to say 4,500 people and it will be a forgotten Wikipedia article at this time next year..
RE: OT: Corona virus
Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:16 pm
by jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
That can't be right.
The "15 million dead" figure is the best case scenario of seven tested?
That doesn't seem even remotely possible, judging by the (seemingly) credible information that's out there, including from Johns Hopkins.
If the virus has basically tapered off in China, with a total of 3,000 deaths and holding steady, how is it going to explode to 15 million (or worse! worse! worse!) worldwide?
The charts and data don't show it.
It's early, yet, to draw hard conclusions, but it seems most likely now that the trends are improving.
Or, what in the world am I missing?
You're not missing anything Dan - complete and total media BS is all this is. Are people getting sick and dying? Sure, but at this time next year we'll say hey remember the coronavirus the world went crazy about? Yeah me too.
