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ORIGINAL: hawker

The ME262 was inferior in almost every respect. All it had was very good speed. That made it a strong candidate for intercepting bombers. It was otherwise a monumental waste of German resources. Had they built more FW190s that would have aided the Germans substantially. Had they built more ME262s they'd have lost the war faster.

The duration was abysmal. 1/2 hour in the air from launch to landing. That made it excessively vulnerable. Poor acceleration and engines that had to be gently nursed into increased throttle. It was at a compelling disadvantage against most fighters because German pilots were not used to deflection shooting much less at the high closing rates offered by a 262. So to get at, say, a P-51 most 262 pilots had to enter the combat around 400 mph... at which speed the P-51 was as likely to eat the ME262s lunch as anything.

So,according to you,P-51 is better plane then ME-262!!!
That is serious BS.[:-]

No - he is true... "ketchup diehl" is just the utmost fanboy... in his dreams the sherman is the best tank, the p51 the best plane, the US Blub the best ship the US Soldier the Übermensch... it is useless even to answer him. With him, the USA had lost the war, cause he had only produced the p40.. cause in his dreams they are superior [:D]
to anything else.

I am happy to read again from him.. he is so funny [:)]

no you are a liar ! [:D] mdiehl will explain to you, why the american subs are the best

he once explained that the germans lie about their kill quotes, their aces were liarts, their tank commands, anybody who was/is german was/is a liar.
Same with the japanese... and the russkies, these evil scum just survived cause of the millions of american troops at the eastern front...

The things about the japanese subs... do you have some sources... sounds interesting.

My knowledge about this is, that the walther-engines, the shape of the XXI-subs was far ahead to anything else... so i am very interested in sources about the japanese subs...

The beauty of taking on people like you an Hawker, Adnan, is that every time I say "and here's why" followed by an enumeration of relevant facts, you and he respond with the usual theme. The difference between us is made the clearer each time you open your electronic mouth.

Please keep it up. I'm sure Matrix people sometime listens to one of us and I'd bet dollars to a doughnut that one of us <> Hawker Meshuggi .

We talking about the Sen Taka class subs?...

The stats look good but I wonder about the distance (time) that the batteries can stay at flank speed.

Dur...

The Sen Taka (submarine, high speed), in high bursts of speed, could run faster submerged than on the surface for up to an hour.

Guess it's about 19 nms then.[:D]

http://www.combinedfleet.com/type_sen%20taka.htm

Well Ursa got a point in his statment... some countrys are not ready for a Democratic/Republican system... the Spain and Iraq are good examples South Vietnam is another... any way as i don't want to start discussion about Iraq i will use Spain... look French tryed to bring freedom to the Spanians who were suffering under the iron fist of the Catholic Church heck the Inquisition still operated in spain till French ended it... the common Spanish pesant wasen't ready for such thing as a Republic even if you would give him a right to vote or free him from Feudal obligations he would still vote for some Obscure Catholics... and nothing would change...

As for those japs subs im stunned those subs got preformance of Foxtrots still used in the 80's by the USSR and the idea with retracted 25mm cannons was a good one... As for Walther subs they were ahead of their time... lucky for us Germans didn't have a whole fleet of those...[:)]

These are the enemies we are dealing with today.

This sounded like addressing a current situation...

But regardless of that, i think that you are abstracting the personal level too much... There are a lot of entities between the prime villan and the last dog, and you have to assume not only a position of the decission maker, but also of the guy that has to execute that decission... To kill a person in order to save ten others sounds fine untill you actually have to do it.

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

The beauty of taking on people like you an Hawker, Adnan, is that every time I say "and here's why" followed by an enumeration of relevant facts, you and he respond with the usual theme. The difference between us is made the clearer each time you open your electronic mouth.

Please keep it up. I'm sure Matrix people sometime listens to one of us and I'd bet dollars to a doughnut that one of us <> Hawker Meshuggi .

Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

The problem with you is that you wont admit when you are wrong (or it is better to say - when you see that your propaganda wont convince anybody - not even 2-year child) and you choose to don't answer hoping that people would forget...

So tell me you all knowing mdhiel... please, i can not sleep without your enlightening answer..... please, please....

Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

?

I think your post and my response here could substitute pretty much for every post you've made and every rebuttal that I have made to your assertions.

You say that "only the Russians and Chinese can put a man in space in the 21st Century."

In response, I will simply note here that the last time the US put a man in space was in 2005 (STS 114), which was (last time I checked), well into the 21st Century, regardless of your position on the classic "00 vs 01 New Millennium" debate.

See http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/shu ... /2005.html

And I think all the other assertions you've made in your post are, with my reply here, more than sufficiently rebutted as well.

I dont know who said itm it is in COD2 sp, after you die, among many good quotes about war.

"The essence of war is violence. Moderation in war is imbecility."

I dont thnik that shooting down Yamamoto should have caused cause moral issues while violence against non combatants (in any age) is rape. Pure and simple.

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

?

I think your post and my response here could substitute pretty much for every post you've made and every rebuttal that I have made to your assertions.

You say that "only the Russians and Chinese can put a man in space in the 21st Century."

In response, I will simply note here that the last time the US put a man in space was in 2005 (STS 114), which was (last time I checked), well into the 21st Century, regardless of your position on the classic "00 vs 01 New Millennium" debate.

See http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/shu ... /2005.html

And I think all the other assertions you've made in your post are, with my reply here, more than sufficiently rebutted as well.

This can't be serious, are wesupposed to have somehow forgetten how to go the moon or put a satellite in orbit?

(shakes his head...)

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

?

I think your post and my response here could substitute pretty much for every post you've made and every rebuttal that I have made to your assertions.

You say that "only the Russians and Chinese can put a man in space in the 21st Century."

In response, I will simply note here that the last time the US put a man in space was in 2005 (STS 114), which was (last time I checked), well into the 21st Century, regardless of your position on the classic "00 vs 01 New Millennium" debate.

See http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/shu ... /2005.html

And I think all the other assertions you've made in your post are, with my reply here, more than sufficiently rebutted as well.

(ok, no Chinese)

International Space Station

You got the point?

ORIGINAL: pauk



Mdiehl, you didn't explain (in the other thread) how it is possible that only Russians and Chinese are capable to send the man in the space in the 21st century.... (to remind you: you said that without Werner von Braun US would be late only 18 months)....when is American stuff simply the best?

The problem with you is that you wont admit when you are wrong (or it is better to say - when you see that your propaganda wont convince anybody - not even 2-year child) and you choose to don't answer hoping that people would forget...

So tell me you all knowing mdhiel... please, i can not sleep without your enlightening answer..... please, please....

I didn't even see this one till now
He must really put a burr up your butt to pour out that much venom on a personal attack....

Well being an intolerant, blinders on, write only person it is not difficult to dislike him.

You got the point?

Nope. Still not reading you. You said the US couldn't put a man in space in the 21st century. That claim is factually incorrect. Don't get *** mad at me because you come to a debate armed with statements that are factually incorrect.

Is it your position that the US will never put a person in space again in the 21st century? You might be right. Fifty years from now the Chinese or Russians might be top dawg in space.

Right now, that's not the case.

"The ISS." Again, what about it? Is it your claim that only Russia can get people to the ISS in the 21st Century?

Again I direct your attention to STS-114.

During their 14-day flight, the astronauts tested new equipment and procedures developed to improve safety. The crew also resupplied and made repairs to the International Space Station. The mission included an unprecedented back flip maneuver as the shuttle approached the station and the first repair of the orbiter's heat shield while in space.

Every "debate" with you has been this way. You say something that is factually incorrect. I point out that it's factually incorrect. Then you or some other person starts carrying on about my "bias," or "blinders" or tries to claim I said something I didn't say, or decides to play a rhetorical shell game.

Oh I broke my vow. Read mdiehls post. I'll burn in hell![:D]

Man, you dont understand or you dont want to understand. I hope the second.

..[:D]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl
Bite me, Troll!

Thank God I started to answer (quote) before you withdrew in your typical manner. Now it seems that you REALLY dont understand, not that you dont want to you, simply cant.

I am NO FAN OF DICTATORS, but as I see Saddam was lately whta was Kadar to Hungary. A ruthles ruler who CARES about the well being of his people, or at least does so (unlke Castro and Kim Jong Il).

How can you even dare to say that someone like Saddam was taking care of the well of his people more than Castro?!
As far as I know, despite militaristic expeditions on remote places like Angola, I never saw Castro getting his country into a 8 years-long war yet with an overall loss of a million deads or maybe more [:-]
Nor exposing his country to complete world-wide reaction invading the southern neighbour is "caring about the well being of his people", sorry to say so - Koweit is what it is, but still taking the Iraqi invasion as a legitimate attack because of oil prices would simply be historical revisionism!

ORIGINAL: Przemcio231


As for those japs subs im stunned those subs got preformance of Foxtrots still used in the 80's by the USSR and the idea with retracted 25mm cannons was a good one... As for Walther subs they were ahead of their time... lucky for us Germans didn't have a whole fleet of those...[:)]

Hi, I think luck has nothing to do with it. The bombing of the assembly areas is responsible that dozens type XXI were not ready before the end of the war. And they sure would have made an impact.
As for the Me262 - P51 thing: From a certain point of view one could say that the invention of a jet interceptor made the concept of a piston engined escort fighter obsolete since it was unable to protect the entrusted bomber.

Well whom could have Castro invaded? The US? Barbados? Get back to the ground!

Saddam was so sure of his rule that he even allowed his people tp have guns in their homes, something you dont see to often in dictatorships or even in democracies. Dont believe everything you see in TV!