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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:25 pm
by ComDev
Thanks [8D]
The F-16V is already in there as 'F-16A Blk 20 Falcon -- Taiwan (Air Force), 2017, AN/APG-83' [8D]
Japanese E-2Ds are already there.
Added Osprey variant.
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:57 pm
by ComDev
Thanks Mark, added! [8D]
ORIGINAL: Mgellis
While updating a scenario involving Chile, I realized some of her ships were missing. Here is what I could find out...
Sumner (FRAM II)
16 Ministro Zenteno (ex USS Charles S Sperry DD 697)
17 Ministro Portales (ex-USS Douglas H Fox DD 779)
Probably the same stats as the FRAM II Sumners sold to Brazil (DB #2849)
Operational dates: 1974-1998
02 O’Higgins (ex-USS Brooklvn CL 40)
Probably same statistics as the General Belgrano (also formerly a Brooklyn-class, DB #895)
Operational dates: 1951-1992
PTF 80 Guacolda
Pennant numbers: PTF-80 Guacolda; PTF-81 Fresia; PTF-82 Quidora; PTF-83 Tegualda
Tonnage: 134 t
Length: 36.2 m
Breadth: 5.6 m
Draught: 2.2 m
Propulsion: 2 diesel Mercedez Benz 839 Bb, 3200 HP
Speed: 32 knots
Range: 1200 naut. miles at 17 knots; 1500 miles at 15 knots
Complement: 20
Armament: 2 Bofors L/70 40mm (it looks like one is on the bow and the other on the stern), 4 TT 533mm
Sensors: Radars: Navigation One Decca 505. I band
Operational dates: 1962-1997
Thanks for considering these!
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:58 pm
by ComDev
Thanks for the heads-up [8D] Are there any updates on this?
ORIGINAL: DESRON420
Defense News reports OTH missile for LCS deployments in CY 2016. Would post link but can't post links yet, so have quoted relevant parts for DB3K:
WASHINGTON — The US Navy’s push to increase the lethality of the littoral combat ship (LCS) is getting a major and somewhat unexpected boost with word that an over-the-horizon (OTH) surface-to-surface missile will be installed on-board the next LCSs to deploy.
Rear Adm. Pete Fanta, director of surface warfare at the Pentagon, issued a directive on Sept. 17 calling for the installation of an unspecified OTH missile aboard the Freedom and the Coronado, the next two LCSs scheduled for deployment. The Freedom is to deploy to the Western Pacific during the first quarter of calendar year 2016, while the Coronado is to follow in the second or third quarter.
“The objective is to install the OTH missile system aboard all in-service LCS deploying to forward operating stations starting in fiscal year 2016,” Fanta wrote in the directive, “as well as on all under-construction LCS prior to their commissioning ceremonies.”
...
Fanta’s directive does not mention a specific missile, but it’s understood from sources that the missiles for the initial installations will be the Boeing Harpoon and Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile (NSM).
The idea, sources confirmed, is to try out both kinds of missile on both LCS variants, each ship deploying with only one model of missile installed.
...
Fanta’s directive, in fact, notes that “full integration with the LCS combat system is not required. A stand-alone console or computer terminal capable of consummating an engagement is sufficient for initial fielding.”
The directive, to the Program Executive Officer for Littoral Combat Ships (PEO LCS) and Program Executive Officer for Integrated Warfare Systems (PEO IWS) at the Naval Sea Systems Command, calls for the installation of “the maximum number of missiles possible within the space, weight, power and cooling margins available. The initial design should be able to spiral to an eventual goal of eight missiles per ship.”
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:21 pm
by ComDev
ORIGINAL: Skjold
This isnt critical since the scenario that will use this unit wont be released until DB 441, but in 1.09 you added a number of Swedish Sonobouys which is great but it seems like the
SH 89 doesn't have its sonobouys.
"Det har ytspaningsradar, FLIR (forward looking infrared radar), utrustning för fällning av sonarbojar samt utrustning för analys av den information som sänds tillbaka från bojarna. "
Translation: It has surface search radar, FLIR, equipment for dropping of sonobouys and equipment for analysis of information from the sonarbouys.
Sources:
http://web.archive.org/web/200002261321 ... /sh89.html (Web archive of a reallllly old version of the Swedish Armed Forces website.)
Thanks, Skjold.
Edit: removed the stuff with limited information and/or not so important to remove workload for you guys.
Updated, thanks!
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:29 pm
by ComDev
ORIGINAL: AlanChan
I am working on refining installations for Japan SAM sites (until 2015), I got all unit name and location, but I found out the unit inside DB need update.
In the installation folder, Japan 2013 is mixed with PAC-2 and PAC-3 batteries. However, in real life, they have the PAC-2 company (or squadon or firing unit, depending on translation) and PAC-2/3 mix company. No pure PAC-3 company existed yet.
The PAC2/3 mix company have 3X PAC-2 launcher and 2X PAC-3 launcher. Note Each PAC-3 launcher only have 4 missiles. They brought 124 PAC-3 missiles in first batch, and acquiring more to covert all 24 AA companies. That means each company will only have 8 PAC-3 missiles until all companies have PAC-3 (probably until 2018). I do not have information about how many PAC-2 missiles each company have. But 40X PAC-3 per company is definitive overestimation.
Have updated the database entries, thanks!
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:30 pm
by ComDev
Thank you everyone! [:D]
ORIGINAL: ultradave
I just want to pipe in that I think its beyond amazing the support you guys provide. I can't imagine how many things have been added to the DB's since this first came out. And of course for the community for providing as much info as possible.
Fantastic support, guys. Most of them I'll never use but someone will or they wouldn't have asked

And it's nice to know it's all there to look at and learn about.
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:31 pm
by ComDev
It seems the database is correct. Could be a scenario issue?
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0
Started replaying Give them Hell tonight. I just observed that the aviation magazine of platform #1212 - CVN 65 Enterprise is missing its AIM-120C-5 stock and is filled with 160 AIM-120D instead. This is probably not correct, right?
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 12:26 pm
by Vici Supreme
ORIGINAL: emsoy
Great job Supreme, very well done!
All suggested changes have been made to the database [:D]
Whooaa! Nice, thank you!
ORIGINAL: emsoy
It seems the database is correct. Could be a scenario issue?
ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0
Started replaying Give them Hell tonight. I just observed that the aviation magazine of platform #1212 - CVN 65 Enterprise is missing its AIM-120C-5 stock and is filled with 160 AIM-120D instead. This is probably not correct, right?
I remember back then, when I started the scenario, it was in fact a DB error. It was fixed with one of the next updates after I posted this. Everything is fine now. [;)]
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:14 pm
by AlmightyTallest
Mention of ESSM 2 to counter ASBM's:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2013IAMD/Horn.pdf
• ESSM Block 2 upgrade replaces the largely obsolete guidance section with a dual
mode Active/Semi-Active X-Band seeker capable of defeating future threat capabilities
within the existing envelope, including;
– Increased raid sizes and adverse environments including countermeasures.
– Threat types include; advanced ASCMs, ASBMs, surface and asymmetrical.
Another military declassified source indicating ESSM 2 is for use against ASBM's:
http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2013/Navy/stamped/0604756N_5_PB_2013.pdf
Page 9:
5. ESSM Block 2 Risk Reduction: ESSM Block 2 upgrade is a cooperative effort between U.S Navy and NATO SEASPARROW Consortium Nations. ESSM Block 2
upgrade replaces the largely obsolete guidance section with a dual mode Active/Semi-Active X-Band seeker capable of defeating future threat capabilities within the
existing envelope, including; smaller signatures, increased raid sizes, and adverse environments including countermeasures. Threat types include; advanced Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (ASCM)s, Anti-Ship Ballistic Missiles (ASBMs), surface and asymmetrical.
Range quoted in excess of 25nm:
http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2015/04/essm-seasparrow-emd.html
The ESSM Block 2, scheduled for deployment with the Navy and allied navies in 2020, is a ship self-defense missile with a dual-mode X-band radar seeker than can engage enemy planes and missiles at ranges beyond 25 miles.
Ranges fall in line with this article indicating a change in air defense tactics:
http://cimsec.org/peeling-back-the-layers-a-new-concept-for-air-defense/15222
The ESSM fits four to a VLS cell–quadrupling air defense capacity–while it’s range will be about 10-30 miles. It would thus engage incoming ASCMs at about the same range as electronic warfare (EW) jamming, deception, and decoy systems (depending on the ASCM’s altitude). This will make it possible for EW to reduce the number of interceptors expended, compared to today’s scheme in which EW is only used after interceptors have failed.
Interception test of a high diving supersonic target by an older ESSM system that is not upgraded with the ESSM 2 software:
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/ESSM_intercept_of_high_diving_threat_proves_expanded_defensive_capability_999.html
Raytheon's Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) destroyed a high-diving, supersonic threat during a recent firing from the U.S. Navy's Self-Defense Test Ship.
"The success of this firing, highlighted by a skin-to-skin intercept, is a direct result of a series of enhancements to what is truly an international missile," said Rick Nelson, vice president of Raytheon Missile Systems' Naval and Area Mission Defense product line.
Significantly, no software changes were required to prove the ESSM's enhanced capability.
Mention of software changes to RAM Block 2 and ESSM Block 2 to increase engagement envelopes of the new systems.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/05/07/navy-spends-16b-to-upgrade-carrier-and-amphib-ship-defenses.html
The new RAM Block 2 variant includes a new RF receiver, new navigation system and increased diameter to 6-inches, Raytheon officials said. The weapon has a dual mode RF and IR guidance system. The Block 2 missile is 9.45 feet long, weighs 194-pounds and is able to reach supersonic speeds, according to Raytheon and Navy information.
The new missile variant also includes enhanced guidance algorithms and a more powerful dual-thrust rocket motor enabling the missile to reach longer ranges, Raytheon officials said. Overall, the Navy plans to acquire at least 502 RAMs between 2015 and 2019, service officials said.
The Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile Block II, or ESSM, is a new version of an existing Sea Sparrow weapons system currently protecting aircraft carriers, destroyers, cruisers, amphibious assault ships and other vessels against anti-ship missiles and other surface and airborne short-range threats to ships, Navy officials said.
As part of the SSDS overhaul, Navy leaders are now working on a wide range of software and hardware fixes to amphibs and carriers so that they can accommodate the upgraded RAM and ESSM missiles.
"From a combat systems perspective I am updating the software to be able to handle the speed and the ranges that those missiles can now function against. It is both software and hardware. I also have to upgrade the Sea Sparrow launchers to take the added weight of the Sea Sparrow Block 2, upgrade the RAM launchers to take the new RAM systems and I have to upgrade the radar to allow the data to flow back and forth," Fanta said.
"I'm doing something within the software or the actual hardware of these systems. A lot of it is algorithm work and a lot of it is making the launchers able to turn faster with more weight in each missile tube," Fanta added. The upgrades are also integrating a defensive weapon called Close-In-Weapons-System or CIWS, Navy leaders explained.
"It is a close-loop fire protection system all by itself. It has a radar and it has a gun. It is trainable and you can do different levels of integration with CIWS. It is either stand alone or it has some level of integration with the other sensors on board," Hill said.
Seems like they heard Dysta's suggestion of integrating the systems with CIWS. [8D]
Also interesting is that there is mention of software, seeker, changes for the ESSM Blk 2, but no real changes to the warhead or propulsion.
Link below shows differences to the ESSM vs ESSM Blk 2 on page 7:
http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2015armament/TuesdayLadner.pdf
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:28 pm
by Hongjian
ORIGINAL: Dysta
#3300 - J-10B
Suggestions:
- Add PL-10 in J-10B's aircraft stores list
- Add WVRAAMs loadout [A/A: PL-8C (x2) & PL-10 (x2)] and [A/A: PL-10 (x4)] in J-10B aircraft loadout list
- Add other loadout configurations which is armed with PL-10.
- Change aircraft loadout ID #17462 to [A/A: PL-8C] (Typo found which is wrote PL-9]
Recent photography captured the batched production of J-10B with PL-10 during the test flight:
I believe the significance of that photo is that the J-10B now has replaced the PL-8 with the new PL-10 on its outmost SRAAM pylons, freeing the inner hardpoints for BVRAAMs. As compared to those photos that show the PL-10s being mounted on the BVRAAM hardpoints for a pretty non-sensical SRAAM-only loadout, which was merely for testing purposes.
So, the new loadout would be the new standard loadout for the new gen fighters since the J-16: PL-10 SRAAMs replacing the PL-8Bs and new PL-15 replacing the PL-12 (still need picture confirmation for latter, though - only "educated rumors" so far).
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 6:44 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: Hongjian
PL-15 replacing the PL-12 (still need picture confirmation for latter, though - only "educated rumors" so far).
We will look into it when I got more sources.
As far as I found, PL-15 should be a whole different catalogue of AAM, unlike the rumored PL-12 replacement. It was around 0.4m diameter thick (from upper picture below), and a whole different of fin configurations than PL-12, it also rumored to be two-staged rockets rather than turbofan engine. It cannot be just a longer-ranged replacement that something like Meteor or AIM-120D, which is smaller and only capped 75nm range.
(The earlier impression of this missile is an AIM-120D counterpart from US, however, they're more lean into the Sino-Phoenix speculation because of the missile size.)
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-ai ... af-general
All I need to find out the relevant source of the 'General Spooker' is the technical performances, which will be a huge thick nut to crack without extra sources. The best but hypocritical guess will be either K-33/R-33 from Ukraine/Russia, or AIM-54 from Iran have their technical data sold to China, but both are unlikely due to the missile configuration already. The closest match will be R-37 from Russia, but it's far too news for sell and 'reverse engineering'.

RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:41 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Dysta
ORIGINAL: Hongjian
PL-15 replacing the PL-12 (still need picture confirmation for latter, though - only "educated rumors" so far).
We will look into it when I got more sources.
As far as I found, PL-15 should be a whole different catalogue of AAM, unlike the rumored PL-12 replacement. It was around 0.4m diameter thick (from upper picture below), and a whole different of fin configurations than PL-12, it also rumored to be two-staged rockets rather than turbofan engine. It cannot be just a longer-ranged replacement that something like Meteor or AIM-120D, which is smaller and only capped 75nm range.
(The earlier impression of this missile is an AIM-120D counterpart from US, however, they're more lean into the Sino-Phoenix speculation because of the missile size.)
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-ai ... af-general
All I need to find out the relevant source of the 'General Spooker' is the technical performances, which will be a huge thick nut to crack without extra sources. The best but hypocritical guess will be either K-33/R-33 from Ukraine/Russia, or AIM-54 from Iran have their technical data sold to China, but both are unlikely due to the missile configuration already. The closest match will be R-37 from Russia, but it's far too news for sell and 'reverse engineering'.
Do camera's even take photos that bad anymore? Obviously not a good source.
Mike
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:54 pm
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Do camera's even take photos that bad anymore? Obviously not a good source.
Mike
You need to remember that the photography to military assets in China cannot be done openly, especially the airfield. With drastic distance, the photographer need to have a really high focal lens to capture it, and digitally zooming it even bigger to see.
It is definitely not the best source, but like I said, if USAF general can hear this, as well as the increasing rumors about the test-launch from J-16, then PL-15, or whatever the Sino-Phoenix actually called, must have the development done earlier than that.
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:44 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Dysta
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Do camera's even take photos that bad anymore? Obviously not a good source.
Mike
You need to remember that the photography to military assets in China cannot be done openly, especially the airfield. With drastic distance, the photographer need to have a really high focal lens to capture it, and digitally zooming it even bigger to see.
Oh give me a break. There are millions of pictures of Chinese military equipment all over the web. This looks purposefully garbled which probably means its not that credible.
It is definitely not the best source, but like I said, if USAF general can hear this, as well as the increasing rumors about the test-launch from J-16, then PL-15, or whatever the Sino-Phoenix actually called, must have the development done earlier than that.
The objective is getting good information for the database.
Thanks!
Mike
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 3:37 am
by Dysta
I never said it should be implemented right now, the best I hope is the Zhuhai Airshow in 2016 will eventually show us something like this.
If not, we can presume PL-15 is only a fund-raising name for US's attention.
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 5:45 am
by VFA41_Lion
Umm... did the title of the thread change to "zhuk-me, updates or issues" ?
Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:06 am
by Dysta
ORIGINAL: VFA41_Lion
Umm... did the title of the thread change to "zhuk-me, updates or issues" ?
Yeah, it will changes when you insert a new title in Subject. Now I've put it back to default title.
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:01 am
by ComDev
Thanks Mark, added DB v443 [8D]
ORIGINAL: Mgellis
A few more requests that I hope will make it into the next version of the database...
(Information mostly from Wikipedia, Jane's Fighting Ships, etc.)
Thanks for considering these!
Estonia
EML Admiral Pitka (A230)
Class and type: Beskytteren class offshore patrol frigate
Appears to be in the database as entry #640 (no changes as far as I can tell)
Operational dates: 2000-2013
Project 89 Kondor Minesweeper/Project 65.2 or 115 (reconnaissance ships)
Pennant numbers: Vambola (M 411); Sulev (M 412)
Operational dates: 1994-2000
Displacement: 449 tonnes (442 long tons)
Length: 59.52 m (195 ft 3 in) o/a
Beam: 7.76 m (25 ft 6 in)
Draft: 2.22 m (7 ft 3 in)
Propulsion: MD 40 diesel engines
Speed: 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)
Range: 1,900 nmi (3,500 km)
Complement: 29
Armament: 3 × 25 mm FlaK 2M-3; up to 24 mines or 24 depth charges
(Sensors appear to be limited to generic navigational radar)
Sandown-class Minehunter
Operational dates: 2006-present
Pennant numbers: EML Admiral Cowan (M313); EML Sakala (M314); EML Ugandi (M315)
In database as entry #2137, appears to be mostly unchanged; Wikipedia adds this note:
The three decommissioned vessels were sold to Estonia in September 2006. They were re-equipped with TCS (Tactical Control System) and the Atlas Elektronik Seafox ROV for mine disposal. The sonar system will be also be updated. The first ship (ex Sandown), delivered in 2007, has been named Admiral Cowan,[2] the second (ex-Inverness), was delivered in 2008 and named Sakala and the last (ex-Bridport) named Ugandi in 2009. [Wikipedia did not add what new sonar would be added.]
The Estonian air force appears to consist of 2 of the venerable An-2, which is already in the database as a commercial aircraft.
Latvia
Skrunda-class patrol boat
Operational dates: 2011-present
Pennant numbers: P-05 Skrunda, P-06 Cēsis, P-07 Viesīte, P-08 Jelgava, P-09 Rēzekne
Displacement: 125 tons
Length: 25.7 m (84 ft)
Beam: 13.5 m (44 ft)
Draft: 2.7 m (8.9 ft)
Propulsion: 2 x MAN D 2842 diesels and Servogear CPPs, 2170 hp
Speed: 20 knots (37 km/h)
Range: 1,000 nmi (1,900 km) at 12 knots (22 km/h)
Boats and landing craft carried: 1 x RIB for shallow water pursuit
Complement: 8-10 (depending on mission)
Sensors and processing systems: Raytheon X-band radar and electro optic sensors
Armament: two 12.7 mm general purpose machine guns (fore and aft?) and has room for a Modular Mission Module with a payload of up to 6 tons
Tripartite-class minehunter
Operational dates: 2007-present
Displacement: 536 t (528 long tons) empty, 605 t (595 long tons) full load
Length: 51.5 m (169 ft)
Beam: 8.96 m (29.4 ft)
Height: 18.5 m (61 ft)
Draught: 3.6 m (12 ft)
Propulsion: 1 × 1370 kW Werkspoor RUB 215 V12 diesel engine; 2 × 180 kW ACEC active rudders; 1 × HOLEC bow propeller
Speed: 15 knots (28 km/h)
Range: 3,000 nautical miles (5,600 km) at 12 knots (22 km/h)
Boats and landing craft carried: 2 × rigid-hulled inflatable boats, 1 × PAP 104 ROV
Complement: 4 officers, 15 non-commissioned officers, 17 sailors
Sensors and processing systems: 1 × DUBM 21B sonar
Armament: 1 × 20 mm modèle F2 gun
Pennant numbers: M-04 Imanta (former Dutch M854 Harlingen), M-05 Viesturs (former Dutch M855 Scheveningen), M-06 Talivaldis (former Dutch M852 Dordrecht), M-07 Visvaldis (former Dutch M851 Delfzijl), M-08 Rusins (former Dutch M850 Alkmaar)
Project 89 Kondor Minesweeper
Operational dates: 1994-2008
Pennant numbers: M-01 Viesturs, M-02 Imanta
Displacement: 449 tonnes (442 long tons)
Length: 59.52 m (195 ft 3 in) o/a
Beam: 7.76 m (25 ft 6 in)
Draft: 2.22 m (7 ft 3 in)
Propulsion: MD 40 diesel engines
Speed: 18 knots (33 km/h; 21 mph)
Range: 1,900 nmi (3,500 km)
Complement: 29
Armament: 3 × 25 mm FlaK 2M-3; up to 24 mines or 24 depth charges
(Sensors appear to be limited to generic navigational radar)
Mi-17
(variant appears to be Mi-8MTV-1)
Operational dates: 1999-present
Lithuania
Hunt class mine countermeasures vessel
Operational dates: 2011-present
Pennant numbers: M53 Skalvis, M54 Kuršis
Already in database as entry #2136
Flyvefisken-class patrol vessel
Pennant numbers: P 11 Zemaitis, P 12 Dzukas (a third ship, P 14 Aukstaitis, appears to be an unarmed surveillance variant)
Operational dates: 2008-present
Already in the database as entry #295, but remove the Harpoon missiles for the Lithuanian version (both are MCM variants)
N42 Jotvingis
Operational dates: 2006-present
Retired Vidar-class minelayer, in database as entry #2145 (as far as I can tell, no major changes)
Grisha III class corvette
Operational dates: 1992-2010
Pennant numbers: F 11 Zemaitis, F12 Aukstaitis
In database as entry #91 (as far as I can tell, no major changes)
Storm-class patrol boat
Pennant numbers: P31 Dzūkas, P32 Sėlis, P33 Skalvis
Operational dates: 1995-present
In database as entry #390 (and, as far as I can tell, they retained the Penguin missiles, but I could be wrong about this)
Aero L-39
Operational dates: 2015-
Alenia C-27J
Operational dates: 2006-present
Mil Mi-17
Operational dates:1993-present
Eurocopter AS365 Dauphin
Operational dates: 2015-
RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:24 am
by ComDev
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues
Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:30 am
by ComDev
Thanks all! Updated DB v443.