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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

BTW, ctangus - you were playing VSWG in a game (with AAR) - is that game still going on? The AAR has been silent as of late... [:(]

No it's not. He dropped out of touch about 5 or 6 weeks ago - around the time of his last forum login. It's unlike him - prior to that he was careful to let me know if he'd miss a day. [:(][&:]

Hopefully he's just suffering from an acute case of WITP-burnout or Real-Life-Itis & not anything worse.

Hi all,

The battle rages on with Tobruk the focus. There are 3 enemy units there now with a further 4(31,000) men at Gazala.

RN units are trying to stem the tide by shelling enemy troops outide of Tobruk and by causing havoc elsewhere.

Good news. BB Littorio was confirmed sunk today [:)]

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As for enhancements:

Fremen - I believe there is a way to turn on/off malarial/non-malarial bases since I think Nik has done it.

Regarding Alexandria - not disputing the current Resource/Oil industry there just the lack of Heavy Industry there. As it stands in NA there is no where in Egypt with HEavy Industry = no real fuel or supply production (I know there is auto supply/fuel at Port Said though).

Other thoughts:

I've noticed that 1/2nd SA Divisions contain British squads rather han CW squads.

9th Ind. Bde also contains British squads rather than Indian squads.

I've attached a screenshot of Porpoise after Mine reload. Only 12 mines available it seems.

[:)]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/19/42

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Naval bombardment of Barce, at 45,127

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Edinburgh
CL Glasgow
CL Liverpool
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Warspite

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 26
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Tobruk, at 50,128

Allied Ships
DD Lightning
DD Kingston
DD Sikh
DD Foresight
DD Fame
CLAA Naiad
CLAA Euryalus
CLAA Dido
CL Penelope

Japanese ground losses:
50 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on Derna , at 48,127

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 70
Liberator II x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju-87 D (Ger): 3 destroyed
SM 84: 2 destroyed


Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 43

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Paleohora , at 49,121


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 12


No Allied losses

10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 27
CR-25 x 1
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 3

23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 T x 13
Ju-88A-4 x 19
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
83 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Runway hits 9

at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 132th Ariete Tank Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5
Blenheim IV x 21
Wellington III x 12
Hudson I x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 3 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
105 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT MTB-66, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-62, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-61
PT MTB-64, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-63, Shell hits 4

Speedy, it is your turn to report damage - accidentaly hit esc key.... Liverpool should be damaged but according to intel screen she isn't (this scenario gives points for damaged ships)

Day Air attack on TF at 50,127

Japanese aircraft
Bf-110D-3 x 8
Ju-88A-4 x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-110D-3: 5 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Liverpool, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Queen Elizabeth, Bomb hits 3
BB Warspite, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Bf-110D-3 bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 4000 feet
4 x Bf-110D-3 bombing at 2000 feet

Ctangus, sorry to hear that Martin (VSWG) dissapeared. As far as i know him he wouldn't do that just like that. Lets hope that he is ok....

ORIGINAL: pauk


Ctangus, sorry to hear that Martin (VSWG) dissapeared. As far as i know him he wouldn't do that just like that. Lets hope that he is ok....

My thoughts exactly... [:(]

Anyway, back to your game - could either you or Speedy post a new map of the Cyrenaica area when you have a moment? Tks.

Pauk - Liverpool is at 32/21/8.

lost a CR[:(] for today... the only important thing i can recall is two successful ASW attacks on my subs... both are damaged (one heavily and other moderatly)...it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]

ORIGINAL: pauk


lost a CR[:(] for today... the only important thing i can recall is two successful ASW attacks on my subs... both are damaged (one heavily and other moderatly)...it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]

As Japanese ASW is hard coded, it will also apply to WITP.

Pauk, (and Speedy tew......)

let me know how ASW goes in the NM game you are playing.

ORIGINAL: pauk

it seems that Axis subs suffers from the 'Japanese penalty' too[:(]

Good and bad: the Italian submariners, like much of the rest of the Italian military, were not as well trained nor as motivated as either the Germans or the British. The Germans sent over five dozen U-boats into the Med to help out, realizing that the RM boats weren't going to do the job alone. (And I don't think any ever came back out.) On the other hand, in early '42 the Brits had the finest ASW force in the world. (Experienced both in WWI and a couple of years of WWII.)
Is there any way to turn sub doctrine on for the Italians but off for the Germans?

Good exp levels for UK and Ger subs will make them more effective and better at evading ASW but what i believe Pauk is referring too is the hardcoded "better ASW" attacks that the Allies get. The sub "doctrine" buttons only impact what targets are most likely to be selected. (and should be turned off for a WitM game)

yes both sub doctrines are off... same is for PDU... Speedy is back from trip and we run another turn... unfortunatly lost a CR report but i can not recall if there was a real action or not (me thinks not)....

Subs aren't prove efficent so far - i think that Speedys subs attacked my transports twice so far in the game but both times they missed....

I still gathering forces for assault on Tobruk and two understrenghten Ita divisions should arrive tomorrow....


Fremen, can you confirm if damaging ships brings VP or not?

Fremen, can you confirm if damaging ships brings VP or not?

Yes. They give VP.

ORIGINAL: pauk

I still gathering forces for assault on Tobruk and two understrenghten Ita divisions should arrive tomorrow....

Along with the other 3 units moving between Barca and Gazala you mean.........

Hey, Mr. SlowPoke is back![:'(]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/23/42

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Day Air attack on Paleohora , at 49,121


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 7


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Beaufort I bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Beaufort I bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 27
CR-25 x 4
MC-200 x 20
Re-2001 x 11
BR 20 M x 33
Ju-88A-4 x 30
P-108B x 11
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju-88A-4: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
9 x P-108B bombing at 21000 feet
11 x BR 20 M bombing at 21000 feet
14 x BR 20 M bombing at 21000 feet
2 x P-108B bombing at 21000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 21000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 21000 feet
2 x BR 20 M bombing at 21000 feet
7 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
6 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 21000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
2 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 T x 12
Ju-88A-4 x 23
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju-88A-4: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 23000 feet
9 x SM 79 T bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 79 T bombing at 23000 feet
11 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 9

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SM 84 bombing at 25000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 25000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
Ca-311 x 1
SM 79 x 14
Z-1007 Bis x 61
BR 20 M x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged
BR 20 M: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 68

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
15 x BR 20 M bombing at 15000 feet
8 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
7 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
7 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet

My 109s were on LR CAP over Toburk yesterday and Englander decides to exploit that today. Will he dare to do tomorrow?

Day Air attack on 25th Bologna Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 3
Blenheim IV x 8
Wellington III x 3
Hudson I x 2


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 5 damaged
Wellington III: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 25th Bologna Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 57
Liberator II x 10
Baltimore II x 1


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Wellington III bombing at 8000 feet
Liberator II bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Panzer Tank Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 5
Blenheim IV x 24
Wellington III x 7
Hudson I x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 5 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 15th Panzer Tank Division, at 50,128


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 17
Liberator II x 6
Baltimore II x 1


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 4 damaged
Liberator II: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

8000 and 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
MC-202: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PT MTB-61, Shell hits 8
PT MTB-63, Shell hits 16
PT MTB-64
PT MTB-66


One or two ITA inf units arrives at Tobruk (hey if you drop ob you will get Truk)... Von Rommel tested enemy defence... it seems that it won't be so easy to capture Tobruk as Englander predicting.....


Ground combat at Tobruk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 33802 troops, 513 guns, 699 vehicles, Assault Value = 961

Defending force 42418 troops, 490 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 813



Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/24/42

Very interesting turn - one of my subs hits enemy mine at Alexandria...oh how i hate those MFBs (mines fanbois)[;)]....

TF 16 encounters mine field at Alexandria (60,128)

Japanese Ships
SS Axum, Mine hits 1, on fire

Tried to bombard Tobruk but my unfair opponent send Royal Navy there. Speedy, i don't think it is fair play anymore[:-][;)]... Outcome was, actually, fantastic for RM... no serious damage to any of my ships - i guess we must thank to Raizo who took command over this TF[:D]

Night Time Surface Combat, near Tobruk at 50,128

Japanese Ships
BB Caio Duilio, Shell hits 1
BB Vittorio Veneto
CA Bolzano, Shell hits 1
CL Abruzzi
CL Eugenio di Savoia
DD Folgore
DD Lampo
DD Camicia Nera
DD Carabiniere, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Corazziere

Allied Ships
BB Valiant
BB Malaya
CL Ajax, Shell hits 1
CL Leander
DD Eclipse
DD Griffin
DD Hero
DD Isis
DD Raider
DD Tartar, Shell hits 1, on fire


Ok, don't you have some other business to do with bombers (like disbanding them or sending to the England?)

Day Air attack on Derna , at 48,127

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 67
Liberator II x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 4 destroyed
Ju-87 D (Ger): 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 4 damaged
Liberator II: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 74
at 8000 feet
at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 28
CR-25 x 4
MC-200 x 20
Re-2001 x 9
BR 20 M x 32
Ju-88A-4 x 25
P-108B x 11
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged
BR 20 M: 1 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 1 damaged
P-108B: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 9
Runway hits 14

21000-23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 T x 12
Ju-88A-4 x 24
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ju-88A-4: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8


at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 11

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 2

25000 feet
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Day Air attack on 16th Italian Field Artillery Regiment, at 48,127


Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 19
Wellington III x 6
Hudson I x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

at 8000 feet

Oh no, no! My beloved Vittorio is hit with two fish! She will probably survive - sys damage is below 20 me thinks, but flood damage is 56... still, she can move 5/5 and that should mean will reach Tarento!

Day Air attack on TF at 49,127


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 10


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Vittorio Veneto, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Bolzano
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Day Air attack on TF at 49,127


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter X x 26


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter X: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Vittorio Veneto, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA Bolzano
CL Abruzzi, Bomb hits 2, on fire
BB Caio Duilio

One enemy PT goes down... time for cheering[8|]

Day Air attack on TF, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PT MTB-64
PT MTB-61, Shell hits 12
PT MTB-63, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

100 feet


Hm, i'm waiting for one more ITA division while Trento (or it was Trieste) is still near Benghazi... 90th leichte div is at Msus and that is all i can send against Tobruk....

Ground combat at Tobruk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26003 troops, 407 guns, 416 vehicles, Assault Value = 972

Defending force 42719 troops, 498 guns, 394 vehicles, Assault Value = 825


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported



Ground combat at Tobruk

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26967 troops, 486 guns, 390 vehicles, Assault Value = 825

Defending force 43576 troops, 595 guns, 701 vehicles, Assault Value = 972


Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported

Ground combat at Tobruk

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26003 troops, 407 guns, 416 vehicles, Assault Value = 972

Defending force 42719 troops, 498 guns, 394 vehicles, Assault Value = 825


Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported



Ground combat at Tobruk

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 26967 troops, 486 guns, 390 vehicles, Assault Value = 825

Defending force 43576 troops, 595 guns, 701 vehicles, Assault Value = 972


Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported

The Axis came in second best that time! Does fortification help during bombardment exchanges?

Does anyone notice anything unusual with this??

And this....