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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

ORIGINAL: Neilster

This is a quote from Lieutenant Commander David Morgan DSC who flew Sea Harriers in the Falklands Conflict.

"No-one used viffing in combat - it's very much a last-ditch manoeuvre. It can be useful if the guy behind hasn't seen it before and doesn't know what you're going to do. You can decelerate from 450 knots down to 150 in about three or four seconds, and that is enough to fly people out in front - however, if he sees it coming, all he has to do is go vertical and just sit around on top of you. You end up with no energy at all and he's got all the time in the world to take you out."

http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/oldstuff/2 ... arrier.htm

Cheers, Neilster

Clearly I was influenced by the propaganda at the time, then.

..probably..

..i suspect you may even have voted (or wished to vote) Tory..

..but that's ok, electing total loonies isn't just an English disease..

..how i adored that Spitting Image puppet, never quite as mad as the real thing, gosh what could they do now..

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Ike99

Putting aside all the British propaganda this very short history video very clearly and undeniably shows the Malvinas belong to Argentina.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHNeUCL1cfw

Oh yeah, irrefutable "proof" right there. Get over yourself; nobody here agrees with you in any way, and they never will. Just quit.

..errrrrrrrr.......

..i mean are they realllllly worth fighting over, wellll except the oil and stuff that comes with sea and the antartic bit attached..

ORIGINAL: Banquet

I remember hearing that too.

On the subject of the Argentinian claim to have hit the Invincible.. does anyone else remember news reports that they also claimed to have sunk the Canberra? From my recollection one of the reasons Canberra was picked to drop off the POW's at Puerto Madryn was to show she was very much not sunk.

Canberra attacked by llamas? [X(][X(][X(][X(][X(]

ORIGINAL: a white rabbit

..errrrrrrrr.......

..i mean are they realllllly worth fighting over, wellll except the oil and stuff that comes with sea and the antartic bit attached..

It's not about the islands per se, but the wishes of the inhabitants who live there.

ORIGINAL: a white rabbit

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Ike99

You buggers hit the Falklands at a time when Britain pretty much had their trousers down. [/align]

..total rubbish..

Actually it's not rubbish. Invincible was up for sale and so was the Hermes I believe. Only the Argentinians invading the Falklands prevented the sales. Likewise there were major cutbacks being made in the military budget. The outcome of the war was very much in doubt and right up until the end it was a tossup over who would win. Your hypothesis that Thatcher wanted the war to boslter her government just doesn't hold any water.

Read some balanced accounts of the war to get a genuine picture of what happened. Hell, even Wikipedia might help you.

A few months later and the RN would have not had Hermes, and the RAF Vulcans would have been retired and things could have been very different....

They wouldn't have had Invicible neither. From Wiki's article on the Invincible:

On 25 February 1982 the Australian government announced that it had agreed to purchase Invincible for £175 million after several months of negotiations. The sale was confirmed by the Ministry of Defence. The ship would have replaced the Royal Australian Navy's HMAS Melbourne.

ORIGINAL: GreyFox

They wouldn't have had Invicible neither:

On 25 February 1982 the Australian government announced that it had agreed to purchase Invincible for £175 million after several months of negotiations. The sale was confirmed by the Ministry of Defence.[2] The ship would have replaced the Royal Australian Navy's HMAS Melbourne.

I forgot her somehow [8|]

Correct. IIRC Hermes was being scrapped. Someone mentioned sold...maybe. I do know this...she wasn't goin to be part of the RN for much longer. So Britain would've been down to 1 carrier and half her air power...not a good start.
 
Also, there was very much discontent across the UK. It was a black period in Britain with rising unemployment, riots, a fight between the Trade Unions and Thatchers regime.
 
As for wanting the war, I'm not sure. But it didn't half do her political career a shed load of good. There's no such thing as a bad war which is won for a politician on their way out.
 
Financially, politically, and militarily, Britain was not very strong. To be fair, she had taken over from a government which had already put the country in a bad way...but I don't remember much about that...except the look of destitude on my fathers face as he came back from collecting his "dole" money and the fights between my mum and dad about how we were going to feed for the next two weeks, or manage to keep our council rented accomodation over our heads! Yes....these things did actually take place in modern Britain and probably still do in the cities.


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As for wanting the war, I'm not sure. But it didn't half do her political career a shed load of good. There's no such thing as a bad war which is won for a politician on their way out.

Indeed, Mrs Thatcher is highly regarded my most of the veterans as well.  I was on the Falklands 25 parade and right at the end, outside Buckingham Palace after the TV coverage finished (I think, I didn't see the TV) there were shouts of 'Three Cheers for Maggie' from every one of the veterans contingents.

I just checked, Hermes was about to be decommissioned.
 
Britain was in a bad situation in regards to her economy and even in pride. The Falklands War did a lot to revive the spirits of many there and most of the veterans love Thatcher for holding firm.

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Correct. IIRC Hermes was being scrapped. Someone mentioned sold...maybe. I do know this...she wasn't goin to be part of the RN for much longer. So Britain would've been down to 1 carrier and half her air power...not a good start.

The Hermes was sold to India, as the Viraat.

ORIGINAL: GreyFox

I just checked, Hermes was about to be decommissioned.

Britain was in a bad situation in regards to her economy and even in pride. The Falklands War did a lot to revive the spirits of many there and most of the veterans love Thatcher for holding firm.

..yahh, when things at home are shakey, create a quick war against a weak enemy, you were lucky she didn't want to invade Ireland... again.....

..some of us were happy with a very English non-police state ..

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: a white rabbit

..errrrrrrrr.......

..i mean are they realllllly worth fighting over, wellll except the oil and stuff that comes with sea and the antartic bit attached..

It's not about the islands per se, but the wishes of the inhabitants who live there.

...ROFLMAO...

..nb, CAPS LOCK..

..mind you, you might be serious...

just in case...

..[:D][:D][:D][:D]ROFLMAO[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

ORIGINAL: GreyFox

ORIGINAL: a white rabbit

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Ike99

You buggers hit the Falklands at a time when Britain pretty much had their trousers down. [/align]

..total rubbish..

Actually it's not rubbish. Invincible was up for sale and so was the Hermes I believe. Only the Argentinians invading the Falklands prevented the sales. Likewise there were major cutbacks being made in the military budget. The outcome of the war was very much in doubt and right up until the end it was a tossup over who would win. Your hypothesis that Thatcher wanted the war to boslter her government just doesn't hold any water.

Read some balanced accounts of the war to get a genuine picture of what happened. Hell, even Wikipedia might help you.

.. what can i say?..read what you wrote and/ or ..

..Read some balanced accounts of the war to get a genuine picture of what was going on and therefore why the war..

..that the result may have been in doubt is another discussion. The reasons are separate.

..go on my little Thatcher apologist, explain why , given everything you've said, and, as i've informed you before,

the last Brit btn was removed at a time of high Argentinian rhetoric

this wasn't just a come on, that quite coincidentally fit the UN rules of engagement ...

ORIGINAL: Dixie

As for wanting the war, I'm not sure. But it didn't half do her political career a shed load of good. There's no such thing as a bad war which is won for a politician on their way out.

Indeed, Mrs Thatcher is highly regarded my most of the veterans as well.  I was on the Falklands 25 parade and right at the end, outside Buckingham Palace after the TV coverage finished (I think, I didn't see the TV) there were shouts of 'Three Cheers for Maggie' from every one of the veterans contingents.

..and i was on the anti pole-tax marches..

..now wt was it the kids were chanting....

..and how many were we across the country......

GreyFox-The Falklands War did a lot to revive the spirits of many there and most of the veterans love Thatcher for holding firm.

Do they love her for defending Pinochet too? I mean he was only a Brutal dictator who killed 50,000 people who face war crime extradition charges in
several countries including 35 from Spain alone. Yes that`s Thatcher, always defending the people. [:D]

GreyFox-..i mean are they realllllly worth fighting over, wellll except the oil and stuff that comes with sea and the antartic bit attached..

Yes there has always been a problem with Brits and reading maps. I guess that's why they recently, ¨accidentaly¨ slipped across into Iranian waters. But on the Anartic, here is a map for them to study so they don`t make anymore ¨accidents¨. Sorry your too late. Unless of course you think you can by force eject Argentina settlements again under the eyes of the worlds cameras.

ORIGINAL: Ike99

GreyFox-The Falklands War did a lot to revive the spirits of many there and most of the veterans love Thatcher for holding firm.

Do they love her for defending Pinochet too? I mean he was only a Brutal dictator who killed 50,000 people who face war crime extradition charges in
several countries including 35 from Spain alone. Yes that`s Thatcher, always defending the people. [:D]

GreyFox-..i mean are they realllllly worth fighting over, wellll except the oil and stuff that comes with sea and the antartic bit attached..

Yes there has always been a problem with Brits and reading maps. I guess that's why they recently, ¨accidentaly¨ slipped across into Iranian waters. But on the Anartic, here is a map for them to study so they don`t make anymore ¨accidents¨. Sorry your too late. Unless of course you think you can by force eject Argentina settlements again under the eyes of the worlds cameras.

i'm not argueing here, nice expanse of sea bed, bugger the Argies[:D][8D]

The good all 'it was all Thatchers idea argument.'
Pathetic...

FDR knew about Pearl Harbour
JFK was klled by the mlitary for wanting to quit Vietnam
Churchill allowed Coventry to bombed to protect  Enigma
G Bush personally planted explosives in the twin towers because he hates Saddam

Its all true man .. you gotta believe me  ... I know ..
I know more than anyone .. its just obvious man ..
There never was a USSR , it was all a hoax to raise taxes .. that's why you couldn't go there man..
Roswell .. its all true .. Cheyney is an Alien man . just look at him..

Facts .. i dont facts .. I got insight and speculation and heresay .. they're more real than facts man .. you can prove Anything with facts.

Thatcher .. she paid the Junta wth poll tax money  from her own people to kill her own soldiers ..All the time she was married to Regan..

The Nixon who went to China came back as a robot man .. just look at his arms .. they dont even bend..

Carter .. the CIA set him up .. He was a patsy for the tentacles of the secret empire.. * sniff *

Marilyn Munroe .. yeah the goverment killed her in that car crash with Jane Russell and Princess Di ..* uh oh getting confused again * sometimes my ears just like talk to me *

And right now Arsenal just beat lowly Fulham in the Last minute of play

Its all a conspiracy

You must believe me .. I am your father Luke I AM YOUR FATHER  I am YOUR FATHER !!!!

Is that an SU-30 you keep posting pictures of Ike? Or is it another one of your brand new Argentinian designed aircraft that co-incidentally look remarkably similar to other designs?

I only ask because, if Argentina didn't design it, and if they don't have any in their airforce.. what is their relevance here? Maybe I should post up pictures of a British X-Wing?