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RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:09 pm
by John 3rd
ORIGINAL: Q-Ball
John is no doubt creating false intel with the subject line!
Until the Allies get 4E's in strength, the primary defense in the Pacific is an IJN Air Fleet; specifically, Bettys and Zeros based at Truk or Rabaul that can quickly stage to a trouble spot. A chain of Lvl 4 airbases at Wake, Kwaj, Tarawa, Noumea, PM, etc, can keep an Allied invasion at bay. We need some subs on picket duty, and lots of search aircraft, but provided we get some warning, we can really do a number on any Allied invasion fleet with Zero/Bettys. A ground reserve at Truk, with enough transport capacity to lift it, can be anywhere in the perimeter within a couple weeks. We have to defend this area with a minimal ground force commitment, to put it all in India; but we can do it with the IJN Air Fleet, CD guns, mines, etc. This strategy is of course moot once P-38 escorted 4Es can pound the target base; at that point, you really need boots on the ground, and the equation changes completely.
I do not advocate a CV split; we must keep those 4 together. A CV battle loss would be a disaster. But 4 should be sufficient for defense until 10/42 or so. In fact, 4 will be enough for attack through 5/42.
I advocate a landing on Northern Oz with small forces; it's not well defended, and I think would be more successful to create a diversion than recon flights. A full scale invasion is completely out, and even taking Darwin is probably out of our reach. This area freaks me out though, an Allied push from there can make the Solomons completely irrelevant, and get to your Oil very very fast!
Regardless, there will be no Allied moves until at least 5/42, and probably not until they get CV Wasp and TBFs. That gives us time to set up and build the defensive perimeter.
I would NEVER do 'false' intel. I must have mis-typed Hawaii when I meant something else... [8D]
RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:25 pm
by modrow
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
I would NEVER do 'false' intel. I must have mis-typed Hawaii when I meant something else... [8D]
Was it Washington DC or just San Francisco you meant ? [8D]
RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:53 pm
by modrow
@ Mike Solli and Canoerebel
thanks for your thoughts and insight.
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
...It's tough for the Allies to go on the offensive in early '42, but the one strategy that would have a chance would be to take a decent sized island or two that I can build up with a supply line that I have at least a chance of protecting.
Maybe this is just the point why I am not sure about Tarawa: How can you protect that supply line if level 3 or 4 bases are ready to be plucked by Japan in the rear of said base, reinforcement of which may just sweeten taking the base pointwise ? My impression would be - especially when bearing in mind what Mike says about the Level 4 fields - that a long distance to the next hostile or conquerable base is an advantage rather than a disadvantage here.
But I really don't have enough experience make a definite statement here. I guess when I have enough time to do a PBEM again I'll have to try - or can someone recommend AARs describing failure of this approach if conducted without dilution of force ?
Thanks
Hartwig
RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 2:59 pm
by Canoerebel
The Allies don't have a prayer in early '42 unless the Japs create a vacuum. In this game, a vacuum could develop in the "eastern" Pacific if the Japs devote a major part of their assets and attention to India. In the absence of Japanese forces for a long time, the Allies might be able to seize enough bases and establish a big enough defense to give the Japanese fits when they do return.
An example of this is found in the Speedy v. Admiral Dadman AAR. Speedy invades India in mid-42 (their scenario started in May '42) and Dadman countered by hitting the Solomons effectively.
The danger for the Allies is that meeting the Japanese head on anytime in '42 or even early '43 is just asking for trouble. While the Allies have finally gotten some teeth, the Japs haven't lost theirs yet and the resulting war of attrition is fought on even terms. Had the Allies waited awhile, any war of attrition would be fought on terms favorable to the Allies.
RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:26 pm
by modrow
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
An example of this is found in the Speedy v. Admiral Dadman AAR. Speedy invades India in mid-42 (their scenario started in May '42) and Dadman countered by hitting the Solomons effectively.
Thanks again - I'll read it.
Hartwig
RE: Hawaii
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 3:30 pm
by John 3rd
ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
I would NEVER do 'false' intel. I must have mis-typed Hawaii when I meant something else... [8D]
Was it Washington DC or just San Francisco you meant ? [8D]
I would not be so bold to grab Washington, DC. That is totally beyond Japanese abilities. Now Richmond on the OTHER hand...
Updates
Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 6:54 pm
by John 3rd
I just sent this message over to Brad with the new turn for him to complete:
We're dropping Allied fighters left-and-right in Burma.
I have moved to cautiously optimistic that Operation Monsoon might actually work! Lashio and Meiktila both held and the cavalry is coming fast! Think we'll lose Magwe next turn. With only 30 Tina flying there there isn't much left to hold the base. We'll see though...
Rangoon: Will take it tomorrow.
Singapore: I'd bombard (air and ground) for a few days and then crossover the reinforcements you are getting. Ordered the 4 units that landed at Mersing to move to Johore Bharu and technically am violating House Rules by ordering the follow-on TF to unload at Johore Bharu. You will have Engineers and Tanks to to help with your next assault.
Philippines: Manila or Bataan?
How about CarDiv2 getting a real convoy! Good news there.
Reinforcements:
1. Marcus gets 2 SNLF and a Base Force
2. Wake gets a SNLF
3. Tarawa gets an SNLF and CD.
That should strengthen those bases significantly.
Wenchow will fall fairly easily. I've detailed 3 of those small Brigades to aid in the attacks. This will raise their expereince and weaken them so they are cheaper to buy out of China. As soon as Wenchow falls then I move the boys NE to the next target.
You'll have Madioen, Java pretty fast.
Still looking pretty good...
Major turn developments was Adm Yamaguchi finding a good-sized convoy of 8-10 Allied AK. All ships were hit repeatedly with 3 AK sinking during the attack.
Burma:
1. Did a Sweep over Meiktila and found nothing.
2. Swept Lashio and shot down 8 of 10 Buffalo
3. Bombed Mandalay with 1 Zero and 58 Bombers vs. 9 AVG. 'Bout had a heart attack when I saw those P-40 but they fled after the lone Zero took one shot at them! The bombers hit the AF well and destroyed 4 P-40/2 Transports/1 Buffalo. Nice result.
4. Lashio and Meiktila both held to against Deliberate Attacks (1-1 at Lashio and 0-1 at Meiktila).
5. 55th Inf Div hit Rangoon for a 3-1 lowering Forts to 3. It will fall tomorrow.
RE: Updates
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:14 am
by Q-Ball
1/14/42 in the SRA
A few interesting developments. First, an ALERT!
ALERT! ALERT!
A Chinese unit crossed the Vietnamese border. A VM division appears at Hanoi, 1/3 strength, but I know they build eventually to full divisions. Not sure what this is, if it's an invasion in force it's trouble; if not, it's free units. We'll find out shortly! But very strange. The only other troops in Hanoi are half of the 35th Bde, plus base forces.
Phillipines
The Clark forces pulled back on Bataan; with size-5 forts there and mountains, an attack will not be successful. We are going to take a shot at Manila soon; 4 divisions might crack it. We'll see. In the meantime, we are going to bomb bomb bomb to deplete supplies.
Too soon to make a decision, but once we need units for India, I have no problem at all just leaving the Allies in place. Why?
*About 500 AV could keep them pinned
*All those fragments they are pulling out...can't rebuild the units without the parent units being killed off
Malaya
We now have 4 divisions at Singapore, and still no 1 to 1 attack. We are going to rest/bombard and try again soon. I am surprised that resistance is stiff; all my units are prepped for Singapore for awhile, and alot of troops didn't make it into the fortress (2 bdes are at Kuantan, and 2 bdes were effectively destroyed outside). Any suggestions here beyond bombs, etc are welcome!
DEI
A 3-1 attack on Madioen indicates that this base will be ours shortly. I expect to have Java wrapped up at the end of the month.
RE: Updates
Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:46 am
by John 3rd
I have no idea if they know what happens when Chinese cross into Indochina but I welcome the support of my Infantry! That division can fill out and hold the northern border quite nicely. Wish we had gotten all four Vietnamese Inf Div but I'll take whatever we can get.
Concur with Brad about Java falling by the end of the month. Looks pretty solid to me.
The chances of taking Manila are excellent since the Americans are split. Wish we could have gotten those units in Clark but it doesn't matter in the end.
In SE China I have Wenchow surrounded and made my first attack. Missed a 1-1 by just a little bit. I've decided to bring down 3 of those small Brigades I want to pull out of China. They will aid in the capture of Wenchow and the town to the NW. This should weaken them making them more cheap to buy out while providing needed seasoning of combat action. A rather nice combination....
Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:10 am
by John 3rd
Brad--My email will not send ANYTHING. I haven't gotten an email since 3pm today and don't know what is wrong. Can do stuff here on the Forum but my email is crapped out. Just letting you know. Will try to fix it as soon as possible...
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:03 pm
by frank1970
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Brad--My email will not send ANYTHING. I haven't gotten an email since 3pm today and don't know what is wrong. Can do stuff here on the Forum but my email is crapped out. Just letting you know. Will try to fix it as soon as possible...
Do you have a external firewall installed?
I had similar problems, when my firewall suddenly blocked my updated thunderbird.
Just some thought.
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:44 pm
by John 3rd
I use AVG and am computer 'challenged.' I found out my emails are getting out but the top of the email page always says "Cannot preform request. Contact Microsoft." I then click the hotlink to Microsoft and nothing happens. NEAT!
Suggestions?
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:41 pm
by frank1970
Hm, can you look if your fiorewall blocks your mailprogram?
There should be a list, which programs are allowed to connect to the internet.
Is your mailprogram on the list?
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:44 pm
by frank1970
I just looked after AVg. Do you use Internet security or Antivirus Version?
what e-mail program do you use?
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:10 pm
by Alikchi2
I have a bunch of free Google Mail addresses to give out if you don't have any luck.
RE: Email
Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:22 pm
by Q-Ball
John, I saw you send the turn out this morning, so it's in their hands. Don't bother asking Microsoft to support your hotmail account, support isn't there.
Waiting for the turn......
RE: Email
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 3:06 am
by Q-Ball
Jan 17th
John will probably post pretty soon, for the most part offensives have ground to a temporary halt, but a few developments shortly.
What is up in China?
John pointed this out...our opponents seem to be concentrating their mobile forces near Canton, which is very difficult to take for the Allies, while obvious threats develop to Yenan. Additionally, a single Chinese unit crossed into Vietnam a couple days ago, conveniently giving us a VM Division. Strange!
Java
Madioen fell on the 15th, and 23rd Army is driving on Soerbaya. Smaller forces took Tjitilap on the 15th, and are occupying as far as Batavia, where there is a large KNIL force. With over 1200 AV at Soerbaya, this figures to go quick (we hope).
PI, Malaya
In Malaya, reinforcements are coming for Singapore; tanks and artillery. We hope to attack soon and at least take down a fort.
At Manila, 4 divisions attacked on the 16th, reducing forts to 1 but otherwise having little effect. We will attack again, hoping to reduce to 0 and get some results.
Elsewhere
Clever attacks by John; first, Car Div 2 nailed a bunch of AKs due west of Padang, obviously moving supplies from India to Oz. Concurrently, John had subs appear at Brisbane and Sydney. Once DD appeared to combat the subs.....BAM! KB shows up and greases the DDs! Ro-64 dies before this happens, but 2, maybe 3 DDs will be lost, a fair exchange..
14th Army HQ
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 2:23 pm
by John 3rd
Brad get us started nicely. We've a bunch of developments that I think will be detailed by both of us later today.
I've been getting ready for the final phase of my legal excitement and haven't been able to do an update on either AAR. That will change tonight. For a teaser let me simply put out that two new Operations have entered into Imperial Planning at Noumea:
Operation Tosa---The Invasion of Nandi with the 56th Inf Div and Support units.
Operation Aki---The Invasion of Gisbome, New Zealand by South Seas Force, 2 SNLF, and Support units.
BANZAI!
China Moves
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:00 am
by John 3rd
Here is the state of things within China:
Burma Campaign
Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 1:13 am
by John 3rd
Moving West:
