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ORIGINAL: FF_1079

I am not blaming Ralph on this one, he is coding as best he can, and has taken on a pretty gigantic task, Matrix/Slitherine needs to either award more assets and prioritize the development of this game, or be honest with all involved and admit that it's such a low priority and disregarded income source that they won't do anything but release what gets turned over to them.

Ralph OWNS TOAW now. Rights, kit, kaboodle, everything. So it's his to do with as he pleases- develop or not develop, at whatever pace suits him.

Matrix/Slith don't give a rat's ass about it other than they'll peddle TOAW in whatever form he delivers it to them (within reason, i.e. it works). They've no 'skin' in the game other than making some $s if it ever goes to press, so if it does, well then great, if it never sees the light of day again, well ain't that just too bad.

Ralph OWNS TOAW now. Rights, kit, kaboodle, everything.

I did not know this. Explains a lot.

ORIGINAL: General Staff

Ralph OWNS TOAW now. Rights, kit, kaboodle, everything. So it's his to do with as he pleases- develop or not develop, at whatever pace suits him.

Sources please. Nothing from Facebook will be accepted as factual. Cuz it's, you know, Farcebook.

Last I knew it was in the Matrix stable.

ORIGINAL: Lobster

Last I knew it was in the Matrix stable.

Think racehorses (or asses). It may be in the stable, but all that means is they'll house it, trot it, market it, sell it (all for fees) but they don't (necessarily) own it. In TOAW's case, they don't (any more).

For all we know, Ralph could finish it up tomorrow and flog it somewhere else if he doesn't like the % Matrix offers for distribution++.

Again, sources.

Do the legwork yourself, it's there, in here.

For all practical intents and purposes, from a player's/designer's perspective, it seems to me this is still where the state of play is vis-à-vis TOAW, almost 2 years later.

And it's maybe a good place to start if you're coming late to the (late) TOAW party.

ORIGINAL: General Staff

Do the legwork yourself, it's there, in here.

For all practical intents and purposes, from a player's/designer's perspective, it seems to me this is still where the state of play is vis-à-vis TOAW, almost 2 years later.

And it's maybe a good place to start if you're coming late to the (late) TOAW party.

That link is only accessible to a few people.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay




That link is only accessible to a few people.

I´m not one of them

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
That link is only accessible to a few people.

That's true. Is there any way to get it moved (and declassified, if that's what's needed) given it's nearly 2 years now?

Neither moderator (JAMiAM , ralphtrick) is around any more (or posts or seems to take any interest). And it seems unfair to leave folks- either who've been waiting or new folks who look in- hanging or uninformed as to state of play.

Besides, the forum area in question relates to TOAW III Development, and we're of course now well into IV.

+1. What he said.

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

+1. What he said.

Larry, you're- I understand- a Beta tester on IV.

Are you telling me/us you've no access to the Private Forum ([Private Development Forums] >> Norm Koger's The Operational Art of War III Development )? And are therefore unaware of some of the issues surrounding
TOAW III development?

ORIGINAL: General Staff

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

+1. What he said.

Larry, you're- I understand- a Beta tester on IV.

Are you telling me/us you've no access to the Private Forum ([Private Development Forums] >> Norm Koger's The Operational Art of War III Development )? And are therefore unaware of some of the issues surrounding
TOAW III development?

I think he was agreeing with you.

There is no way that that vitriol filled thread is going to be revealed to the public. However, there is one post in there where Ralph explains his relationship with Matrix. Perhaps that one post could be exposed or excerpted. Not my call, though.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay
There is no way that that vitriol filled thread is going to be revealed to the public. However, there is one post in there where Ralph explains his relationship with Matrix. Perhaps that one post could be exposed or excerpted. Not my call, though.

Yeah, that +1 meant that I was agreeing that maybe it should be declassified since it was so old but then on the other hand there IS
a rather nasty argument contained therein. I'm leaning toward Bob's direction on this situation. And what he reccomends

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson


Yeah, that +1 meant that I was agreeing that maybe it should be declassified since it was so old but then on the other hand there IS
a rather nasty argument contained therein. I'm leaning toward Bob's direction on this situation. And what he reccomends

Oh man, you are making it harder on us. Now I really wanna see it.

ORIGINAL: Meyer1
I think he was agreeing with you.

I know, I'm just staggered he- or anyone else for that matter- was signed up as a Beta Tester (with presumably associated NDA) without being privy to what's now been publicly described here as 'vitriol'.

LATE EDIT: Got it. You know. If you're leaning on excerpting one post, I think that's difficult without putting it in the context of the whole argument, much of which is just as valid today as the day it was written (like years ago).

ORIGINAL: General Staff

ORIGINAL: Meyer1
I think he was agreeing with you.

I know, I'm just staggered he- or anyone else for that matter- was signed up as a Beta Tester (with presumably associated NDA) without being privy to what's now been publicly described here as 'vitriol'.

LATE EDIT: Got it. You know. If you're leaning on excerpting one post, I think that's difficult without putting it in the context of the whole argument, much of which is just as valid today as the day it was written (like years ago).

So if anyone is going to be a beta tester they should have to read garbage from a post 'like years ago' to be considered worthy? I fail to see any connection between an old post and one's ability to be a beta tester. You are testing the game, not taking part in a years old debate. What anyone said at any time in the past that has nothing to do with fixing broken parts of the game which is what a beta tester does. I doubt that they are interested in opening the festering wounds of others nor would or should the staff, regardless of size, care to have them do so.

No. But they might do well to read anything available on a project's history to get an idea of its track record before they sign their lives away to work on it.

ORIGINAL: General Staff
No. But they might do well to read anything available on a project's history to get an idea of its track record before they sign their lives away to work on it.

When I signed on as a TOAW III beta tester JAMIAM required me to read all the development board threads to get caught up. It
certainly helped me to catch on to the inferences refered to in other posts later on.

Hey guys

A little over 2 weeks, anything new to announce, any progress?