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Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and ...

I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

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Virus–virus interactions impact the population dynamics of influenza and the common cold
December 26, 2019 116 (52) 27142-27150; first published December 16, 2019

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142


A study in Scotland, from 2005 to 2013, where they did mass tests on the various forms of winter virus that cause the flu, and found that 7-15% of flu cases are caused by Coronaviruses. At least that was the case in Glasgow from 2005 to 2013.




"Our study provides strong statistical support for the existence of interactions among genetically broad groups of respiratory viruses at both population and individual host scales.

Our findings imply that the incidence of influenza infections is interlinked with the incidence of noninfluenza viral infections with implications for the improved design of disease forecasting models and the evaluation of disease control interventions.

Future experimental studies are required to decipher the biological mechanisms that underpin virus–virus interactions and their effects on the within-host dynamics of infection."

As per one of my previous posts, a Coronavirus was killing people from 2005 to 2013 and being labeled as THE FLU.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Also hearing anecdotal reports from friends in the medical field that are being treated poorly at work with poor biosecurity protocols and supplies for frontline workers and rough mandates for work in a very hazardous environment. Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and still limited testing, my recent optimism has flatlined.

I don't think you're alone in that, to be honest. It is woven in to basic human nature to be optimistic, and has demonstrated psychological advantages (especially in stress-inducing situations).

From what I've seen there's been a growing acceptance that there won't be a short, sharp "shock therapy" but instead going to be a much more prolonged process. We're in it for the long-haul, so to speak.

Underlying Health Disparities Could Mean Coronavirus Hits Some Communities Harder
April 1, 2020


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ties-harde

"New data released Tuesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention shows that COVID-19 patients with underlying health issues in the United States are more likely to need treatment in a hospital — or even in an intensive care unit. They are also at higher risk of dying, according to earlier epidemiological data from both China and the U.S."

"The elderly are the hardest hit by the disease, accounting for about 80% of fatal cases in China and the U.S., according to CDC data."

"More than three-quarters of the COVID-19 patients who required ICU treatment in the U.S. had underlying health issues, including heart disease, diabetes and chronic lung conditions, according to the new CDC data on 6,600 cases for which underlying conditions and hospitalization status were reported."

A cultural observation

As us civil servants like to say......close enough for Government work: Yellowstone Calderas

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As us civil servants like to say......close enough for Government work: Yellowstone Calderas

And on top of that, the Universe is expanding!

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clearheaded science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about the atoms this much: There is no matter as such! All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particles of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. . . . We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.” - Max Planck

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
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Combined with sporadic reports domestically about poor social distancing practices and ...

I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

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As us civil servants like to say......close enough for Government work: Yellowstone Calderas

And on top of that, the Universe is expanding!

There s a pretty concerted effort in science these days challenging the accepted interpretation of the meaning of the redshift. And theories of the electric universe are gaining traction in the face of the accepted model of gravitation dominance. Our understanding of the universe is woefully incomplete.

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As us civil servants like to say......close enough for Government work:

Not really. It's in a completely different Geological area. The one small dot is located right in Yellowstone, but small quakes happen there all of the time, so that wouldn't be so surprising.

I am from these parts, and this is the path the Yellowstone hotspot took (or the continent took over it rather) to create the Craters of the Moon and other features in Idaho. Very far from the current position though.

The map you shared shows the Far Eastern edge of Idaho. Not where those dots are located. If anything, over time the activity should continue to move farther east as the continent moves over the hotspot.

Here is the path of it across Idaho into present position.

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I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

Guess those of us with the nervous habit of biting nails and knawing on knuckles are just SOL.

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I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

True. If not used properly a mask will be how one gets infected by the virus.

Morale-wise a mask is Henry V- “Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more”.

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I've read that they are contemplating everyone wearing mask in public. USA.

Yup.

The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

I would say that you could share the cubicle for doing something as long as you are not going to flush it.

For people with lung issues like asthma, a mask might help since that can keep allergens and other lung irritants out. It should also make breathing easier.

During the quarantine:

A woman yells downstairs to her husband: "Hey, you ever get sudden agonizing pain in your chest like someones sticking needles in you, and its hard to breathe?"

Husband: "No"

Wife: ..... ....... "How bout now?"

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Yup.

The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

I would say that you could share the cubicle for doing something as long as you are not going to flush it.

For people with lung issues like asthma, a mask might help since that can keep allergens and other lung irritants out. It should also make breathing easier.

According to the interview I posted yesterday, it is present in aerosol just from breathing. The amount varies by the infected person, and the farther away you are the less chance of catching it.

A quotation from an interview I am listening to right now: "If you are far enough away that you can't touch someone with your fingertips, you are more protected than if you are shoulder to shoulder." The context had nothing to do with an infected person coughing or otherwise expelling droplets, he was talking about just breathing.

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The doctor in NY I posted for the second time in this thread mentioned that face masks are useful, but mostly to prevent the person wearing one not touching their face and not coughing on someone else. The most useful protocol is still being a fanatic about cleaning hands and not touching one's face unless you're in constant contact with someone with the disease. The aerosol transmission route is about as likely as catching this from someone flushing the toilet and walking into the flush plume. (So don't share a cubicle with anyone either).

He's a bit long-winded, but it's somewhere around minute 10-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxyH1rkuLaw

I would say that you could share the cubicle for doing something as long as you are not going to flush it.

For people with lung issues like asthma, a mask might help since that can keep allergens and other lung irritants out. It should also make breathing easier.

According to the interview I posted yesterday, it is present in aerosol just from breathing. The amount varies by the infected person, and the farther away you are the less chance of catching it.

A quotation from an interview I am listening to right now: "If you are far enough away that you can't touch someone with your fingertips, you are more protected than if you are shoulder to shoulder." The context had nothing to do with an infected person coughing or otherwise expelling droplets, he was talking about just breathing.

I'll watch that, but all of the work I've read so far has been in laboratory settings, and not in an area with moving air or moving people. These tests are being done in a small closed box, essentially.

Inside being near someone breathing has still proven not to be a guarantee you'll catch it. How would any science know yet is beyond me since it's hard enough to tell how long it's viable on a surface.

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The FT have updated their US map to show what restrictions are in place state by state in the US. There are still a lot of states without any order to stay home it seems, and yet those all show cases present. Some quite a few, like Florida. Has there been informal suggestion to stay at home and isolate in these areas, or what is the message from local and state governments?

Here in Mississippi the governor has either left it up to local communities, or if the Department of Health advises a shelter in place for a community based on their data. For a state like ours, I believe it’s the better approach. There are plenty of rural counties that such an order doesn’t make sense. Hear in Jackson, the mayor just today has issued a shelter in place order. Even in that order there are numerous provisions for leaving the house.

The transmission risk scenarios are probabilistic not absolute.

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I would say that you could share the cubicle for doing something as long as you are not going to flush it.

For people with lung issues like asthma, a mask might help since that can keep allergens and other lung irritants out. It should also make breathing easier.

According to the interview I posted yesterday, it is present in aerosol just from breathing. The amount varies by the infected person, and the farther away you are the less chance of catching it.

A quotation from an interview I am listening to right now: "If you are far enough away that you can't touch someone with your fingertips, you are more protected than if you are shoulder to shoulder." The context had nothing to do with an infected person coughing or otherwise expelling droplets, he was talking about just breathing.

I'll watch that, but all of the work I've read so far has been in laboratory settings, and not in an area with moving air or moving people. These tests are being done in a small closed box, essentially.

Inside being near someone breathing has still proven not to be a guarantee you'll catch it. How would any science know yet is beyond me since it's hard enough to tell how long it's viable on a surface.

Expanding a little bit, the (different) PODcast I finished listening to a few seconds ago was a US Naval Institute PODcast (used to be called Proceedings PODcast) from a few weeks ago and the overall context was protecting the fleet from COVID-19. (So just to be clear I referred both to the PODcast I linked yesterday and quoted from the one I just listened to, two different PODcasts.)

But as far as someone catching it from another person breathing (but not coughing, sneezing, being intubated, or otherwise expelling droplets), putting together a number of articles and interviews: Yes, you can get it from an infected person breathing but that is much less likely. The amount of virus particles an infected person puts out varies greatly from person to person and time to time.

Distance from an infected person is definitely your friend, and closer proximity in the same cubicle, especially for a longer period could expose you to more virus particles (if the person is putting out many/any at that time). The point being don't take a situation where infection is much less likely and do things which make infection more likely. No paranoia or worry, just do things which keep the odds low.