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ORIGINAL: borner

So there itis? Sorry my friend, I still dis-agree. Yes, the US attempted night ops, and had some success with these in a strike at Truk. However, most of these planes flew from US Enterprise, with radar equiped Avengers, after Enterprise had been withdrawn for months of practice. Can anyone show me an example where a night strike hit one target at sea, let alone against a whole TF.

Ike has once again demonstrated his penchant for ignoring the facts and focusing on a miniscule aspect of some one else's comments in a lame and transparent effort to prove his point. Get used to it Borner.

"we know we goofed on this but it's too late to fix it"

He also admitted they didn't really put much effort into considering the manner in which an open ended, uncontrolled implmentation could be expolited by a mercenary individual with no common sense and a lack of concern for historical accuracy.

I spoke with Gary and he said that he did intend for there to be night operations, although he remembers we worked on trying to minimize their effectiveness during development.

he said, that they tried to minimize the effectiveness of bight carrier attacks.

but they were not very successfull on it and thats why he may use this topic to make it better in carrier force.

british 4E bombers (with much better navigation systems then japanese single engine planes) had a typical hit rate of at most 15-20% of their bombs in a 5 Km radius around the target (huge german cities) in 1942.

tiny japanese carrier planes have a hit rate of 33% on a small target at night and can do this with so little OP loses, that they can repeat the same attack just 3-4 nights later again and again and again...

i agree with todd. night attacks from carriers should be possible, but with much higher Op loses and lower effectiveness on target. i hope thats the case in carrier force.

he said, that they tried to minimize the effectiveness of bight carrier attacks. but they were not very successfull on it

I spoke with Gary and he said that he did intend for there to be night operations, although he remembers we worked on trying to minimize their effectiveness during development. Night operations were possible, and did happen during the campaign.

ORIGINAL: bigbaba

he said, that they tried to minimize the effectiveness of bight carrier attacks.

but they were not very successfull on it and thats why he may use this topic to make it better in carrier force.

What's this??? An admission that they "goofed" and since it's too late to fix it in UV they are looking to CF to fix it????

ORIGINAL: Ike99

if it was he would have said they tried, but couldn´t do it, or failed, or it didn´t work out, etc. etc.

ORIGINAL: tocaff

So it would be fair to say at this point in time the following:

UV is a game and as such historical can be bent in the what if of gaming.

Night CV ops should be allowed in UV, while at the same time ops loses should be high while accuracy of the attacks should be low.

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Ten pages and still no one has posted a shred of evidence that the IJN carried out a successful night carrier operation. Not that there was any doubt in the first place.

So tell us now Ike, what, exactly does "but they were not very successful at it" mean to you?

I received two emails pointing me toward this thread and asking for an official 2by3 position on the issue of night ops. First, having skimmed only some of this thread, I'd like to ask that everyone take a deep breath and back off from personal insults. We are talking about a game here which should be an enjoyable thing to discuss.

As for the issue, I have to start by saying that this game was mostly designed over 5 years ago and Gary and I have little recollection of how or why we did things the way we did. I spoke with Gary and he said that he did intend for there to be night operations, although he remembers we worked on trying to minimize their effectiveness during development. Night operations were possible, and did happen during the campaign. That's about all we can say about it. Mike Wood took over patching the game several years ago and I see that the last patch was about 18 months ago. As far as I know that was the last patch planned. We are not in a position to be able to patch the game, and even if we were we wouldn't know what Mike has done. Mike would have to answer as to whether this issue was ever impacted by a patch change. At this point the game is what it is. Since Mike is working on the detailed carrier combat version of UV with Justin Prince, I'll email them about this thread. Perhaps since they are closer to UV at this point then Gary or I, they'll have something to say about it.

So tell us now Ike, what, exactly does "but they were not very successful at it" mean to you?

I spoke with Gary and he said that he did intend for there to be night operations...Night operations were possible, and did happen during the campaign.

ORIGINAL: borner

what did the poor horse do to deserve all this anyway??[X(]

Due to your efforts, I am sure that the design team for Carrier Force (and probably WitP-AE, as well) will take a close look at how they want this modelled in the new games.

Due to your efforts, I am sure that the design team for Carrier Force (and probably WitP-AE, as well) will take a close look at how they want this modelled in the new games.