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ORIGINAL: Kingmaker

Well it certainly is to players in the 1st game as it was discused at some length when I quiried how I had suddenly aquired Denmark as a Russian protecterate, the bit about the Danish navy being particularly pertanent.

I hadnt thought you made a protectorate of a conquered minor, just got them as a protectorate normally when Sweden declared war on Mecklenberg or something making them nervous.

HiHi

No, as was discused in the 1st 'Big War' game, the point being that if you conquere a Minor you do not get their armed forces and subsiquently making the minor a protectopate will not bring any fleets still roaming around over to your side (Armies/corps just disapeare of the map once a minor is conquered).

All the Best
Peter

ORIGINAL: Kingmaker

No, as was discused in the 1st 'Big War' game, the point being that if you conquere a Minor you do not get their armed forces and subsiquently making the minor a protectopate will not bring any fleets still roaming around over to your side (Armies/corps just disapeare of the map once a minor is conquered).

Thats odd. I have witnessed it firsthand in singleplayer. I know the armies/corps disappear but fleets are not treated the same.

(of course it isn't illegal!)...it's all just rhetoric. It's a game! Probably the best game I have ever played in my life. Thank God for CoG:EE. LOL

However, in the spirit of the game, I will direct you to perhaps the single most influential writer on the laws of war.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Grotius):

Hugo Grotius (also known as Huig de Groot or Hugo de Groot; 10 April 1583 – 28 August 1645) worked as a jurist in the Dutch Republic. With Francisco de Vitoria and Alberico Gentili he laid the foundations for international law, based on natural law. He was also a philosopher, theologian, Christian apologist, playwright, and poet.

De jure belli ac pacis libri tres (On the Law of War and Peace: Three books) was first published by Hugo Grotius in 1625, dedicated to Grotius' current patron, Louis XIII. The treatise advances a system of principles of natural law, which are held to be binding on all people and nations regardless of local custom. The work is divided into three books:

Book I advances his conception of war and of natural justice, arguing that there are some circumstances in which war is justifiable.

Book II identifies three 'just causes' for war: self-defense, reparation of injury, and punishment; Grotius considers a wide variety of circumstances under which these rights of war attach and when they do not.

Book III takes up the question of what rules govern the conduct of war once it has begun; influentially, Grotius argued that all parties to war are bound by such rules, whether their cause is just or not.
The arguments of this work constitute a theory of just war. Roughly, the second book takes up questions of jus ad bellum (justice in the resort to war) and the third, questions of jus in bello (justice in the conduct of war). The way that Grotius conceived of these matters had, together with Francisco de Vitoria's De potestate civili, a profound influence on the tradition after him and on the later formulation of international law.

Britain's war on Denmark was illegal (and so was everyone else's war on a minor in this game--including my invasion of Piedmont).

I know a lot about self defense law as it applies to individuals in a US jurisdiction.

In my state the basic test for using deadly force is what is referred to as the "reasonable man" test. That is, in the circumstances as subjectively perceived by the person using force, was there a "reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished."

Applying that kind of theory to States I believe removing the Danish and Dutch fleets from play makes a ton of sense from the British perspective. In fact I would go so far as to say its the only justifiable war against a minor in the game thus far. All the rest are self evidently power grabs.

[;)]

You should be a lawyer Mus. [:D]

Sweden and Prussia missing before I can combine.

I am supposed to tell you guys that Montesaurus told me his computer problems should be worked out soon. The repair shop has determined that for some reason his attachments were being stripped from his emails and they said they should have it back to him by Monday.

Man. I am telling you... COMPUTERS!!!![:@]

What the heck is taking Prussia and Sweden so long this turn?

Travel...just returned. Will get moves out in the AM.

Sweden sent

Anyone heard from Prussia?

Hi Guys,
Wanted to give you my update. I'm presently sitting in a public library and accessing their computer.
I discovered that my ISP provider(through the computer repair shop) was stripping the files I would try to send via my earthlink internet mail. I discovered that I can send the files without any problem by accessing the nofrills hotmail site we've been sending the turns to, and sending from it!
But, after I drove home with my computer and tried to turn it on it would not turn on! Talk about frustrating. I drove back to the computer shop and they are also unable to make the computer come back on, after making sure nothing had shaken loose. So, I will have to send the computer back to the place I bought it from to get it repaired under the warranty.

Needless to say, I'm really PO'd about the computer right now. I think I'm going to go ahead and purchase a laptop, and would like anyone to offer me suggestions as to what they would recommend. Which laptop seems to work well with COGEE! Any suggestions would be appreciated.
For the next few turns I will have to have Barbarossa do my turns till I can get a laptop, or get my computer back.
In the meantime, i will try to get to the library as frequently as I can to answer emails, and keep in touch with players.
Regards,
Monte

Got Prussia turn, have mailed Britain, since I need the right files to combine. Hopefully can combine the turn tonight gmt +1

Hi Chindits!
I borrowed a friends computer and redid turn 14. Please us it!
'thnks

Sure Monte

Turn 15 posted

Is there a pressing need to have the files zipped? I would rather not have to unzip the files for every turn if thats possible.

Does anyone see the French rumor I planted? About contacting me if you see it?

Do all rumor plantings work? I think I have tried to plant one or two which did not show up. I will keep trying to see what happens.