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ORIGINAL: parusski

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Would it be possible to post the complete stats from FBI or a link to where you found them?

These stats are all over Google, but I got them from a Washington DC CBS affiliate.

FBI stats here

Thank you, Steiner. [:)]

I am sure they are all over Google but since I am way to lazy I prefer to ask someone reliable instead of using a search engine.

ORIGINAL: Orm

I ask a runner to run down to the continent and post for me.

ORIGINAL: Orm

On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras.

This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to.

I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject.

ORIGINAL: chijohnaok

ORIGINAL: Orm

On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras.

This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to.

I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject.

Some in the United States do feel very strongly about this (both for and against).

The rights listed in the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments of the US Constitution), are a list of natural rights that belon to the people. They are not "granted" by the government. These natural rights include (but are not limited to):
Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to trial, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc.

These rights were framed in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers at the time that they established out government.

Each of these rights are important. Amending the Constitution is possible, but t is not easy to do. Our Founding Fathers purposely did this as they did want want these fundemernal rights, or our structure I government to be changed on a whim.

If you start talking about restricting any of these rights (the right to bear arms for instance), then you open the door for doing the same with the others.

That is why many feel strongly about the subject.

ORIGINAL: chijohnaok

ORIGINAL: Orm

On Swedish main TV news there was a piece from a school in Harold, Texas. There some (most?) of the teachers were armed with guns. The school also had an extensive security system with a lot of surveillance cameras.

This seems to me to be a nice school to send children to.

I have, with difficulty, tried to stay out of this debate. I feel this does not concern me so I have no say in the matter. But with that said I do wonder how come feelings are so strong on this subject.

Some in the United States do feel very strongly about this (both for and against).

The rights listed in the Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments of the US Constitution), are a list of natural rights that belon to the people. They are not "granted" by the government. These natural rights include (but are not limited to):
Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, right to trial, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, freedom of assembly, etc.

These rights were framed in the Constitution by our Founding Fathers at the time that they established out government.

Each of these rights are important. Amending the Constitution is possible, but t is not easy to do. Our Founding Fathers purposely did this as they did want want these fundemernal rights, or our structure I government to be changed on a whim.

If you start talking about restricting any of these rights (the right to bear arms for instance), then you open the door for doing the same with the others.

That is why many feel strongly about the subject.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans .....

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans .....

warspite1

Please don't talk about anathema - I'm a martyr to it - especially at this time of year. Although I do find my puffer helps my breathing enormously...

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.

warspite1

Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?

ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans .....

warspite1

Please don't talk about anathema - I'm a martyr to it - especially at this time of year. Although I do find my puffer helps my breathing enormously...

He did not mean ENEMA dumbass.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

walks off mumbling - Dumbass confederates of German extraction.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.

warspite1

Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: warspite1

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I know the Brits hate our second amendment. After all it was citizens armed with "assault" rifles who kicked some English ass.

warspite1

Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?

Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are.

ORIGINAL: danlongman

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the second amendment is anathema to many Europeans in particular-of all our Bill of Rights. It's just a foreign concept to many of them that this country can be awash in guns and that's the way we likes it.

If you think about American history (vis a vis the Revolutionary War), the development of the American West and the independence movement in general, it makes perfect sense. But you've got to understand our history, the reasons for the amendment and why it's still very much relevant in today's society. Hard for most outsiders to fathom, I'd venture.

It is the fact that so much of this history of the War Where You Told Britain To Shove Off and the Conquista
of the American West is a manufactured legend that makes it hard to fathom. Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes. Follow the money.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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warspite1

Really?? Being serious for a minute I say again, really? How many British people do you think have the foggiest clue what the 2nd Amendment is?

Probably precious few. Which is why foreign voices on the subject are (and have been) meaningless to me. Same with political discussions in general. Europeans assume that they are more knowledgeable about the inner workings of American history and politics than they really are.

warspite1

Some Europeans Mr C - you will notice I have not ventured [light-heartedness aside] into this essentially American discussion.