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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

The USSR doesn’t need a war for that. It can be an neutral major power.

ORIGINAL: WIFFE-RAW-7.0
9.7 Controlling new minors
You now allocate control of minor countries declared war on this step, to a major power on the other side (see 19.2 Entering the war), in order of declaration. The minor country is at war with everyone its controlling major power is at war with, as well as the major powers that declared war on it.

Whoever takes control of them in or sets up its forces immediately (see 19.4 Minor country units).

RAC 19.2 Entering the war
A minor country enters the war when:
• a major power declares war on it (it joins the other side); or
• it aligns with a major power (see 9.8).
If a minor country aligns with a major power, it is controlled by that major power. If an Axis major power declares war on a minor country in the Americas, it may only align with the USA. When Germany makes her compulsory declaration of war on Poland (see 9.3), it may only align with the Commonwealth.

In every other case, when one or more major powers declare war on a minor country, choose an active major power on the other side to align with it.

If there is more than one eligible major power, offer the minor to the major power whose capital city is closest to the minor’s capital (any home country in the case of the Commonwealth). If it declines, offer it to the next closest, and so on.

If every eligible major power declines, the minor (and all its controlled minors and territories) is immediately conquered by the attacking major power (see 13.7.1).

In every other case, when one or more major powers declare war on a minor country, choose an active major power on the other side to align with it.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets Post #: 10

More to the point, here is how it is described in the Players Manual.

7.7.6 Choosing Major Power for Attacked Minor Countries (RAC 9.7)
If during the second subphase of this phase, a major power declared war on a minor country, then the attacked minor country has to be aligned to a major power on the other side. Each of the eligible major powers that can align the minor are asked, in the order that their capitals are closest to the capital of the attacked minor country. See RAC section 9.7 for the definition of which major powers are ‘eligible’. The first major power that accepts aligning the minor does so. If none of the major powers is willing to align the minor, then the minor country immediately surrenders (see section 7.4.25 for a description of the process of surrendering).

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Mine as it shows, are taken from WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf (World in Flames Final Edition 7.0).

This will preclude the use of “Peace Keepers” in MWiF. Here is what Steve posted in 2008.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets Post #: 10

More to the point, here is how it is described in the Players Manual.

7.7.6 Choosing Major Power for Attacked Minor Countries (RAC 9.7)
If during the second subphase of this phase, a major power declared war on a minor country, then the attacked minor country has to be aligned to a major power on the other side. Each of the eligible major powers that can align the minor are asked, in the order that their capitals are closest to the capital of the attacked minor country. See RAC section 9.7 for the definition of which major powers are ‘eligible’. The first major power that accepts aligning the minor does so. If none of the major powers is willing to align the minor, then the minor country immediately surrenders (see section 7.4.25 for a description of the process of surrendering).

Steve didn't post RAC 9.7 in 2008.

ORIGINAL: Red Prince

ORIGINAL: Extraneous

Mine as it shows, are taken from WiFFE-RAW-7.0.pdf (World in Flames Final Edition 7.0).

This will preclude the use of “Peace Keepers” in MWiF. Here is what Steve posted in 2008.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets Post #: 10

More to the point, here is how it is described in the Players Manual.

7.7.6 Choosing Major Power for Attacked Minor Countries (RAC 9.7)
If during the second subphase of this phase, a major power declared war on a minor country, then the attacked minor country has to be aligned to a major power on the other side. Each of the eligible major powers that can align the minor are asked, in the order that their capitals are closest to the capital of the attacked minor country. See RAC section 9.7 for the definition of which major powers are ‘eligible’. The first major power that accepts aligning the minor does so. If none of the major powers is willing to align the minor, then the minor country immediately surrenders (see section 7.4.25 for a description of the process of surrendering).

Steve didn't post RAC 9.7 in 2008.

Even more to the point: I'm assuming I have the same PDF you do for RAW FE 7.0 and that's where I got the quote for 19.2 which states that the major power has to be active. What this means is that I've added a note to my files to make the correction to the Player's Manual (which I am helping Steve to edit). This will pass by a number of eyes before it gets into the final copy.

My take: The Manual is in error, and 19.2 can't be discarded. In terms of how MWiF functions right now, RAW 19.2 is used to determine who can align a DOWed Minor.

ORIGINAL: gridley

Yes, but you could easily wait till his TRS have been committed, usually the 1st impulse, 2nd at the latest, then go in.

Plus, the more I look at it I just don't see how the Italians could stop the CW from getting 4 corps into Greece...with all the little isles in Eastern Med that should be relatively easy for the CW to put out of supply and invade onto. Once the 4 corps are in Greece then they can align Yugo.

ORIGINAL: Orm

The effect on US entry is somewhat lesened by Allies aligning Yugoslavia. What I do not like about this is the US entry roll for Allies support attacked minor.

Still, I really like to know that I have no interference from CW in Netherlands and Belgium.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Orm

The effect on US entry is somewhat lesened by Allies aligning Yugoslavia. What I do not like about this is the US entry roll for Allies support attacked minor.

Still, I really like to know that I have no interference from CW in Netherlands and Belgium.

Yes. The earlier France can be removed from Europe the better. Messing around in the Balkans is a small price to pay if France falls a couple of turns earlier (with minimal Axis losses and expenditure of O-chits).

ORIGINAL: michaelbaldur

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: Orm

The effect on US entry is somewhat lesened by Allies aligning Yugoslavia. What I do not like about this is the US entry roll for Allies support attacked minor.

Still, I really like to know that I have no interference from CW in Netherlands and Belgium.

Yes. The earlier France can be removed from Europe the better. Messing around in the Balkans is a small price to pay if France falls a couple of turns earlier (with minimal Axis losses and expenditure of O-chits).

yes , and Yugoslavia is totally easy to conquer ... then you will have cw units without support ...

I have seen a big 1941 CW army being out of supply in the Balkans .. it cost the CW around 100 BP .. in land units, planes, pilots, transports.

a stupid mistake.. they had moved up in Yugoslavia ..but had no CP in the Italian sea. so a lucky Italian invasion in Salonica. so they had only 1 real supply port ... stupid

ORIGINAL: Ur_Vile_WEdge

I'm not convinced how easy it is to stuff Greece with 4 CW corps. Say you stick them all on TRS, shipped from the CW. You have no Marines or Amph, so the initial port taking will have to be with a div on a cruiser. But that in turn means you'll need to have the TRS sit in the Med for an impulse. When the Italians DoW you on that surprise impulse, even their little Gabbiano can chew up your TRS, the CW AA values are awful. If I even sink one, the entire strategy is busted. If you negate surprise by DoWing Italy first, that's effectively a 19 shift on the U.S. entry. (-12 for Allied DoW on Italy, not getting the 7 for Italian DoW on the WAllies.) That starts getting awfully expensive just to pick up Yugoslavia.......