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Hi,

finally the luck on your side. I was afraid that KB is cursed in your game [X(]
So far I have seen your opponent to make many and grave mistakes, and often he was saved just by a bad luck on your side.

While his overall strategy is sound, he really is lacking in operational and tactical spheres of the game. His deceptions are very interesting to watch, but he uses them on tactical scale mainly, where they have little to no impact.

Barb

ORIGINAL: Barb

Hi,

finally the luck on your side. I was afraid that KB is cursed in your game [X(]
So far I have seen your opponent to make many and grave mistakes, and often he was saved just by a bad luck on your side.

While his overall strategy is sound, he really is lacking in operational and tactical spheres of the game. His deceptions are very interesting to watch, but he uses them on tactical scale mainly, where they have little to no impact.

Barb

Thanks Barb for the kind words.
However I think you're too harsh on QBall here. Luck is always a twisting lady and Brad had his bad luck moments too, as I had mine.
And it's very easy to commit operational mistakes after 739 turns!. He has done well in the DEI so far. If this battle didn't go that well, we now would be saying that the allies are marching towards Mindanao and glory.
It's been a while since Brad hasn't pull any deception. In 1942 he drove me mad attacking the Aleutinas, Gilberts and NW OZ at the very same time...but then he stopped (don't know why).

Anyway, QBall has been doing just fine imho and the fact that he breached my perimeter and now has many bases (possible level 8 AFs) in range of my oil fields is the demonstration that his path is the right one.

That is actually, what I am saying [;)]
His strategy is sound (putting a knife on your neck), but he had suffered unnecessary losses due to operational and tactical mistakes (we all made some from time to time either) in the process ...

It took 10 whole days to recover from your previous losses!!!

ORIGINAL: JeffK

It took 10 whole days to recover from your previous losses!!!

Blame the game for that Jeff, not me. It's not historical accurate. I know. You know. We all know it. It would take him the very same time to recover if he had suffered my same losses, provided he has enough planes in the pools...and the USN in late 1943 has plenty of DBs, TBs and Hellcats to completely fullfill 500 a/c lost within a week.

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: JeffK

It took 10 whole days to recover from your previous losses!!!

Blame the game for that Jeff, not me. It's not historical accurate. I know. You know. We all know it. It would take him the very same time to recover if he had suffered my same losses, provided he has enough planes in the pools...and the USN in late 1943 has plenty of DBs, TBs and Hellcats to completely fullfill 500 a/c lost within a week.

And it's this ability that makes this a great game. Focusing too much on reality takes away from the enjoyment of what is a great match-up. The very fact that Japan can keep coming back from losses in this game keeps the stakes high for both players. If they can't come back then the Japanese players just quit from the boredom of inevitability.... I know what I prefer.

An no, I'm not a JFB.... I'm a A&JFB [:)]

I told ya GJ would be fighting just as hard come the end of 1943!

Q-Ball and GJ are too of my favorite players. GJ has done exceedingly well in this match. He'd be doing exceedingly well even if he was a long-time veteran Japanese player....but this is his first game as Japan (and second overall) for heaven's sake! Well done.

But for some people in here to attribute things that have happened to "bad luck" is ridiculous.

And it's fun to see the 20/20 hindsight pontifications of certain people posting. [8|]

Well Done Sir.

I have an AAR question. How is it that you can take multiple screenshots of the turn? I take one for Posting into mine but don't know how to get several without re-running the turn several times.

Thanks and CONGRATS!

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Well Done Sir.

I have an AAR question. How is it that you can take multiple screenshots of the turn? I take one for Posting into mine but don't know how to get several without re-running the turn several times.

Thanks and CONGRATS!

Hi all.
1. assume f8 key is on.
2. hit the screen print button
3. hit the windowsbutton which will bring up the desktop screen
4. keep your paint button open while playing AE then just switch back and forth.
I hope I am answering the question correctly.

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Took a look at my pools. The last month of battles north of Darwin has really put a toll on my pools. I'm short of Dive Bombers and cannon-fodder fighters (A6M3a), while I completely emptied the pool of A6M2s (lost nearly 1800 of them by now) and of the earlier model of the Judy (the D4Y1)

However we're now building a steady number of late war fighters and I hope to be able to stockpile them pretty quickly.
The KI-84R is being produced at a rate of 322 monthly, while 250 N1K2s are added every month. From March 1944 i'll also be able to produce 190 J2M5s.
Now, with the conversion of the P1Y1 factory to the P1Y2, i'll be producing 140 of them every month.
From Jan 1944 270 D4Y4s will be in production.

The final figures for 1944 should so be:

ARMY:

350 KI-84-r
251 KI-44-c
160 KI-43 IIIa (later becoming 250 KI-43 IV)

60 KI-45a (then switch from august 1944 to 120 KI-102c)

180 KI-67-T (probably will add more factories here)
140 KI-49-IIb


NAVY:

250 N1K2
190 J2M5
140 A6M5
40 A6M3a

140 P1Y2
40 G4M2
60 G3N3

270 D4Y4
160 B6N2
150 B7A2


In late 1944/1945 we will add to these numbers:

110 Ki-84-b
110 KI-83

160/180 A7M2
100 J7W1

It's interesting to see how quickly our ideas change when playing the Japanese side. I completely understand and this is not a criticism by the way, just an observation.

You started the game talking about not pushing planes more than (if I recall correctly) 4 months ahead. During a discussion about jrcar's numbers you advised me to be careful of producing so many Ki-84 (he was producing 300 at the time).

Now your numbers are staggering!! it's competitiveness I know. You know now what it takes to fight the better equipment and bigger numbers of Allied groups and CVs. It takes HUGE numbers. This is a 'scenario 2' type of OOB so you should inflate those numbers. He knows what he's in for. It just astounds me what you are able to produce compared to what I've got going a whole 6 months later.

I'm sure you're doing this but make sure you have big nodes for LBA from several 8/9 level bases nearby to hit him when he gets into the Moluccas from several angles; Borneo, Mindanao and Babeldaob.

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Took a look at my pools. The last month of battles north of Darwin has really put a toll on my pools. I'm short of Dive Bombers and cannon-fodder fighters (A6M3a), while I completely emptied the pool of A6M2s (lost nearly 1800 of them by now) and of the earlier model of the Judy (the D4Y1)

However we're now building a steady number of late war fighters and I hope to be able to stockpile them pretty quickly.
The KI-84R is being produced at a rate of 322 monthly, while 250 N1K2s are added every month. From March 1944 i'll also be able to produce 190 J2M5s.
Now, with the conversion of the P1Y1 factory to the P1Y2, i'll be producing 140 of them every month.
From Jan 1944 270 D4Y4s will be in production.

The final figures for 1944 should so be:

ARMY:

350 KI-84-r
251 KI-44-c
160 KI-43 IIIa (later becoming 250 KI-43 IV)

60 KI-45a (then switch from august 1944 to 120 KI-102c)

180 KI-67-T (probably will add more factories here)
140 KI-49-IIb


NAVY:

250 N1K2
190 J2M5
140 A6M5
40 A6M3a

140 P1Y2
40 G4M2
60 G3N3

270 D4Y4
160 B6N2
150 B7A2


In late 1944/1945 we will add to these numbers:

110 Ki-84-b
110 KI-83

160/180 A7M2
100 J7W1

It's interesting to see how quickly our ideas change when playing the Japanese side. I completely understand and this is not a criticism by the way, just an observation.

You started the game talking about not pushing planes more than (if I recall correctly) 4 months ahead. During a discussion about jrcar's numbers you advised me to be careful of producing so many Ki-84 (he was producing 300 at the time).

Now your numbers are staggering!! it's competitiveness I know. You know now what it takes to fight the better equipment and bigger numbers of Allied groups and CVs. It takes HUGE numbers. This is a 'scenario 2' type of OOB so you should inflate those numbers. He knows what he's in for. It just astounds me what you are able to produce compared to what I've got going a whole 6 months later.

I'm sure you're doing this but make sure you have big nodes for LBA from several 8/9 level bases nearby to hit him when he gets into the Moluccas from several angles; Borneo, Mindanao and Babeldaob.

Good point. GreyJoy is pushing the envelope in terms of R&D and production. The system allows for this with a Scenario 2 OOB start, so there ya' go. But there can't be any bones about it-this is a clearly other-worldly production system for even the most inculcated JFB. Not breaking any rules, but these numbers suggest that there are no punches pulled for production or research.

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Well Done Sir.

I have an AAR question. How is it that you can take multiple screenshots of the turn? I take one for Posting into mine but don't know how to get several without re-running the turn several times.

Thanks and CONGRATS!

John,

There are also some screen-capture programs that allow you to just keep hitting PrintScreen to get more than one screenshot at a time. The program handles generating and saving the files in a designated directory and with a set naming convention. I think there are even some Shareware/Freewhere versions floating around.

Mike

Jesus christ hail mary helvetes jävlar thats a crap load of planes GJ! [X(]

Thats going to be fun for Q-ball to battle with 130 Hellcats, 78 Corsairs, 30 P51s, 52 Spits and 80 P38s! [X(] 2500 vs 370. Doing some simple math and a huge amount of simplification he has to get 7-1 or better just to keep up. He won´t be able to do that obviously. [:D]

Out of curiosity from a Allied perspective. Why are you producing so many Helens? And why some many Georges? Its a pretty crappy plane. I think the Jack is far better.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Took a look at my pools. The last month of battles north of Darwin has really put a toll on my pools. I'm short of Dive Bombers and cannon-fodder fighters (A6M3a), while I completely emptied the pool of A6M2s (lost nearly 1800 of them by now) and of the earlier model of the Judy (the D4Y1)

However we're now building a steady number of late war fighters and I hope to be able to stockpile them pretty quickly.
The KI-84R is being produced at a rate of 322 monthly, while 250 N1K2s are added every month. From March 1944 i'll also be able to produce 190 J2M5s.
Now, with the conversion of the P1Y1 factory to the P1Y2, i'll be producing 140 of them every month.
From Jan 1944 270 D4Y4s will be in production.

The final figures for 1944 should so be:

ARMY:

350 KI-84-r
251 KI-44-c
160 KI-43 IIIa (later becoming 250 KI-43 IV)

60 KI-45a (then switch from august 1944 to 120 KI-102c)

180 KI-67-T (probably will add more factories here)
140 KI-49-IIb


NAVY:

250 N1K2
190 J2M5
140 A6M5
40 A6M3a

140 P1Y2
40 G4M2
60 G3N3

270 D4Y4
160 B6N2
150 B7A2


In late 1944/1945 we will add to these numbers:

110 Ki-84-b
110 KI-83

160/180 A7M2
100 J7W1

It's interesting to see how quickly our ideas change when playing the Japanese side. I completely understand and this is not a criticism by the way, just an observation.

You started the game talking about not pushing planes more than (if I recall correctly) 4 months ahead. During a discussion about jrcar's numbers you advised me to be careful of producing so many Ki-84 (he was producing 300 at the time).

Now your numbers are staggering!! it's competitiveness I know. You know now what it takes to fight the better equipment and bigger numbers of Allied groups and CVs. It takes HUGE numbers. This is a 'scenario 2' type of OOB so you should inflate those numbers. He knows what he's in for. It just astounds me what you are able to produce compared to what I've got going a whole 6 months later.

I'm sure you're doing this but make sure you have big nodes for LBA from several 8/9 level bases nearby to hit him when he gets into the Moluccas from several angles; Borneo, Mindanao and Babeldaob.

Good point. GreyJoy is pushing the envelope in terms of R&D and production. The system allows for this with a Scenario 2 OOB start, so there ya' go. But there can't be any bones about it-this is a clearly other-worldly production system for even the most inculcated JFB. Not breaking any rules, but these numbers suggest that there are no punches pulled for production or research.

Guys, i haven't done anything particular with the R&D program, nor i think i've done anything more than the usual things suggested by the vets.
3x30 Peggy-T R&D factories
4x30 D4Y line R&D factories
3x30 Grace factories
6x30 KI-84 line factories
3x30 KI-84b factories
5x30 Jill line factories
6x30 N1K line factories (converted to production when the K1K2 became available)
4x30 Jack line factories (1 converted to production when the J2M3 arrived)
2x30 Shiden factories
3x30 KI-83 factories
2x30 QLorna factories
The Whole A6M R&D program was converted to production when the A6M5 became available

Nothing strange imho. I've invested a lot in the engine bonus...and these are the results

and no, i'm not producing all those planes at once. When i reach 3/400 planes stockpiled for a single type i stop the production and restabilish it when needed. Those are the numbers i will be ABLE to produce.

And this is Scenario 2, but with the economy of scenario 1...so i had to accept a HUGE trade off for being able to have those figures... i stopped immediately 1 Tahio Class CV and 4 more CVs, along with all the CVEs scheldued to arrive later than 12/43.
Also stopped every xAK and TK on the list and halted the Nav and Merc production, in order to save HIs for the air army.

It's a trade off.... and all those supplies spent to repair those factories are going to hurt me in the long term....

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Jesus christ hail mary helvetes jävlar thats a crap load of planes GJ! [X(]

Thats going to be fun for Q-ball to battle with 130 Hellcats, 78 Corsairs, 30 P51s, 52 Spits and 80 P38s! [X(] 2500 vs 370. Doing some simple math and a huge amount of simplification he has to get 7-1 or better just to keep up. He won´t be able to do that obviously. [:D]

Out of curiosity from a Allied perspective. Why are you producing so many Helens? And why some many Georges? Its a pretty crappy plane. I think the Jack is far better.

Joc, the Helens are usefull (ASW, Kamikaze, LowNav etc), but i'm not producing them all. I wanna have the flexibility to be able to do that and to use all my saved HIs when the time of the final battle will come.

I've already been there Joc. The Spits and the T-Bolts, alone, are able to obtain much more than a 7-1...also because Brad can use them on CAP while he advances.

The N1K2 is a very good plane imho and slightly better than the J2M3. Why so many? Because i'm gonna lose a heckaluva lot of them when the P47s will start to sweep in great numbers, followed by hordes of B-24s and B-29s... i need deep pools!

ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Well Done Sir.

I have an AAR question. How is it that you can take multiple screenshots of the turn? I take one for Posting into mine but don't know how to get several without re-running the turn several times.

Thanks and CONGRATS!

Hi all.
1. assume f8 key is on.
2. hit the screen print button
3. hit the windowsbutton which will bring up the desktop screen
4. keep your paint button open while playing AE then just switch back and forth.
I hope I am answering the question correctly.

+1. Exactly what i do

It's a trade off.... and all those supplies spent to repair those factories are going to hurt me in the long term....

As everything is with the Japanese side of this game. You've balanced it in the way you see as important. That's fine.

Jocke's numbers highlight something though as well. In spite of the fact he neglected to include numbers from incoming groups, you'd still be likely to have a 5:1 advantage in planes. Can he overcome that? Maybe, but he might not have much of a fleet left by the time he gets close to Japan. He'll have to try a night fire-bombing campaign from a distance.

If he sticks with it this one should go to 46, and that will be fun to see.

ORIGINAL: obvert

It's a trade off.... and all those supplies spent to repair those factories are going to hurt me in the long term....

As everything is with the Japanese side of this game. You've balanced it in the way you see as important. That's fine.

Jocke's numbers highlight something though as well. In spite of the fact he neglected to include numbers from incoming groups, you'd still be likely to have a 5:1 advantage in planes. Can he overcome that? Maybe, but he might not have much of a fleet left by the time he gets close to Japan. He'll have to try a night fire-bombing campaign from a distance.

If he sticks with it this one should go to 46, and that will be fun to see.

Exactly the same situation that pushed me to do "Suddenly Hairy" operation against Rader.
No matter how many planes i was shooting down (by late 1943 Rader had lost 25,000 planes!), he just kept on coming.
In those strikes i hadn't a 5-1 advantage, not at all!

Brad had 400 LBA fighters between Kai-Enlanded and Molu, plus 6/700 fighters from all his CV/CVL/CVEs. Look at my combat reports... my biggest strike had less than 200 fighters on escort and nearly 350 bombers.

Overall i had 130 Frances, 140 Oscars, 100 TB for LBA attack, along with 200 fighters on LRCAP/Escort. All of this plus the KB

Now compare the numbers... the allied DS alone should have 1500 planes (at least), plus all the LBA.... think i never had anything more than 1.5-1 advantage on that particular part of the map.

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

2x30 QLorna factories

Why the Lorna Greyjoy? Doesn't seem to have any value I can see...

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
I've already been there Joc. The Spits and the T-Bolts, alone, are able to obtain much more than a 7-1...also because Brad can use them on CAP while he advances.

The N1K2 is a very good plane imho and slightly better than the J2M3. Why so many? Because i'm gonna lose a heckaluva lot of them when the P47s will start to sweep in great numbers, followed by hordes of B-24s and B-29s... i need deep pools!

He might be able to get those numbers on the defensive. But not on the offense if you do it right. And you usually do. Besides by the looks of it the air war might be a weak spot for Q-ball. Either he hasn´t been doing it very well or you have been doing it extremely well. He won´t be able to get 7-1 results. Of that I´m sure.

Strange about the Jacks. I seem to suffer a bit against them while the George is just cannon fodder. At least when I sweep. That is at least the feeling I have.