ORIGINAL: Olorin
OK, I'll try to get back on topic by asking RFalvo69 (who appears to be online) for his prediction about the possibility of Italians demanding that Italy leaves the EU and how soon he sees it happening.
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Ah well, in two decades we could really be in even worse dire straits: after all, we are deriding a kid who is saying: "Here... Listen... The Planet is becoming a teeny bit warmer... And... I'm a bit worried".
ORIGINAL: DD696
I will say this started out as very informative.
I will say that there is still informative material being presented.
I will also say that the bull manure now greatly outweighs the informative material.
Durned Wolf: I apologize for seeming to imply that California is not the most perfect and well run state in the Union. Having lived there for several years in the scenic and lush town of Trona certainly gives me no right to say anything about California.
Mind Messing - green buttoned. I have never done that to anyone but you are simply an ass. It is a shame that your comments will be quoted by some and therefore still visible.
Yes, I never post much. It has never really been worth the effort.
CanoeRebel - sorry your effort to have a sane place to post about this crisis has now become a crisis in itself. Such is the nature of state of the rabble of humanity.
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Good overview of vaccine development concerns
Frankly the idea of a vaccine containing DNA to cause the recipient to make Coronavirus spike protein in the absence of the whole virion makes me a bit nervous as well. Essentially, that is making the human race a GMO. [:)] (not really as long as the foreign DNA does not become permanently incorporated into the human genome.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00798-8
No. Only those supported by hard scientific facts.ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Ah well, in two decades we could really be in even worse dire straits: after all, we are deriding a kid who is saying: "Here... Listen... The Planet is becoming a teeny bit warmer... And... I'm a bit worried".
And of course we are expected to react to any and every claim that the sky is falling by immediately putting all of our resources into restructuring the universe to accommodate the claim?
I gather that one of these emergencies was "There will be a pandemic".The worlds coastlines predicted to be under water by now are not. The oil predicted to dry up hasn't (try reading The Deep Hot Biosphere for a different viewpoint). Yaddda, yadda , yadda and so on.........
This is the very politics that poison the thread. Why throw in such a hand grenade?
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
No. Only those supported by hard scientific facts.ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Ah well, in two decades we could really be in even worse dire straits: after all, we are deriding a kid who is saying: "Here... Listen... The Planet is becoming a teeny bit warmer... And... I'm a bit worried".
And of course we are expected to react to any and every claim that the sky is falling by immediately putting all of our resources into restructuring the universe to accommodate the claim?I gather that one of these emergencies was "There will be a pandemic".The worlds coastlines predicted to be under water by now are not. The oil predicted to dry up hasn't (try reading The Deep Hot Biosphere for a different viewpoint). Yaddda, yadda , yadda and so on.........
In 2003 the SARS scare was derided. "The doomsayers expected a pandemy. We are still all here, LOL!" It turned out that it was a shot across the bow.This is the very politics that poison the thread. Why throw in such a hand grenade?
Politics? While this emergency has been politicised (which is a totally different thing), check what the USA and Russia are factually doing in the Artic, and then guess what made this possible. Pro tip: not politics.
If you want other sources I can provide them.
ORIGINAL: HansBolter
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
Ah well, in two decades we could really be in even worse dire straits: after all, we are deriding a kid who is saying: "Here... Listen... The Planet is becoming a teeny bit warmer... And... I'm a bit worried".
And of course we are expected to react to any and every claim that the sky is falling by immediately putting all of our resources into restructuring the universe to accommodate the claim?
I take exception with your gentrified portrayal of a young fascist shouting at politicians to put their backs against a wall as a mere kid who is a bit worried.
The self same planetary doomsayers have been crying wolf since the 1970s and not a single dire prediction has come to pass.
The worlds coastlines predicted to be under water by now are not. The oil predicted to dry up hasn't (try reading The Deep Hot Biosphere for a different viewpoint). Yaddda, yadda , yadda and so on.........
This is the very politics that poison the thread. Why throw in such a hand grenade?
ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
ORIGINAL: Olorin
OK, I'll try to get back on topic by asking RFalvo69 (who appears to be online) for his prediction about the possibility of Italians demanding that Italy leaves the EU and how soon he sees it happening.
Well, I actually went to sleep with my computer on [:)]
I don't see Italy leaving the EU. Even returning to our old money, the Lira, would simply cause a Weimar Republic-level inflation.
What about aid?
Yes, the BCE bought tons of Government Bonds from the hardest hit counties during the Coronavirus crisis. This move enjoyed universal acclaim: the interests on borrowed money were strongly reduced, thus allowing these countries to spend more in the fight against the virus.
But there is an elephant in the room. There is a strong resistance by the "rich" countries (Germany, France, Austria, the Scandinavia’s countries etc) to issue Eurobonds. The fear is that the "Second Division" members of the EU (Italy, Spain, Greece...) will not be able to repay the investment. This would force these countries to cover the deficit by taxing their population, and no politician will ever want that. No German citizen will ever pay taxes to cover, let's say, Italy's inability to fight our gigantor level of tax evasion.
Truth is: Italy has lost her credibility. The EU is factually demonstrating how some key members have no more faith in us.
So, right now the EU is weakening Italy's social tissue and increasing internal political polarization.
Even worse, this emergency brought to light another inconvenient truth: there is no EU. What we call European Union only the sum of the internal interests of a group of very different countries - whose politicians care about the wellbeing of their own country, not of the whole Union.
Thus the EU is doing its best to show the endemic problems in the Eurozone, and, by doing so, they are actually promoting the nationalist/populist sentiments ("Make Italy Great Again!", "Let's Take Back Our Country!"... You know the gist). Any nationalist, right now, can appear on TV and say "See? The EU is not the source of help that they promised, for these reasons". And he would be right. It is not even a political view: it is a fact.
However, fun fact: Italy is too big to fail. If Italy fails the Eurozone will crumble. So, is the EU stupid? No, this fact is well known. But this is where the ugly head of modern politics appears: the inability to plan, to prepare for the far future. A saying says "A good politician is a man who plants a tree knowing that he will never enjoy its shadow". Today's politicians show you the missing tree and blame (feel free to choose: the EU, the immigrants, those who don't pay their taxes, the opposition, various but not you of course).
This pandemic was totally predicted. In 2015 it was a disaster bound to happen in a span of two decades. Did someone do something to prepare for it? No. No one in the World. "Who cares about what could happen in two decades? We could be already dead anyway! Right now we must find a solution to give brioches to our population".
Ah well, in two decades we could really be in even worse dire straits: after all, we are deriding a kid who is saying: "Here... Listen... The Planet is becoming a teeny bit warmer... And... I'm a bit worried".
Will we learn the importance of long plans from COVID-19? What about the EU "experiment"? And the Italian debt?
I truly don't know. But I do know one thing: we are not planning for our sons and daughters' future. What this makes of us?
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Good overview of vaccine development concerns
Frankly the idea of a vaccine containing DNA to cause the recipient to make Coronavirus spike protein in the absence of the whole virion makes me a bit nervous as well. Essentially, that is making the human race a GMO. [:)] (not really as long as the foreign DNA does not become permanently incorporated into the human genome.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00798-8
Hey Cap - I gotta mask question. Should we all be wearing them? Earlier in the COVID response word from up high seemed to be not unless you were sick. Now it seems to be a mish-mash of yes-or-no if you are leaving the house. What-cha think?
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: durnedwolf
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Good overview of vaccine development concerns
Frankly the idea of a vaccine containing DNA to cause the recipient to make Coronavirus spike protein in the absence of the whole virion makes me a bit nervous as well. Essentially, that is making the human race a GMO. [:)] (not really as long as the foreign DNA does not become permanently incorporated into the human genome.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00798-8
Hey Cap - I gotta mask question. Should we all be wearing them? Earlier in the COVID response word from up high seemed to be not unless you were sick. Now it seems to be a mish-mash of yes-or-no if you are leaving the house. What-cha think?
I don't wear a mask at home or out in the garden but at work, absolutely and if I have to go to the grocery store...I make the Dominican baseball player good luck sign and wear a mask and gloves then I carefully take off the gloves hooking my little gloved finger under the exterior heel of the other glove, inverting it, then using the inverted glove as protection, repeat the process on the other glove and drop both gloves in the open bag which i have purposely left open on the rear hatch of the snazzy 380 hp Stinger II BEFORE I went in the store. I close the pre-taped disposable bag with the contaminated gloves and put in the trash (or if not available it goes into the hatchback for dispoasal at home.) The mask goes into an unsealed paper bag to lay fallow for 3 days and be reused. I open the front door and back hatch with my "clean" hands and put the alcohol gel on the roof...then lift the grocery bags into the hatchback with one or two fingers in the handle. Then apply the gel all the way to the elbows and let dry. Then you get in the car and drive home leaving the reading glasses on till you get home and can wash your glasses and hands again with soap and water.
Completely neurotic sounding but it is the kind of thing if you gloves are covered in blood or amniotic fluid or pus.[:)]