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Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 2:04 am**

Also re LCS. LCS 17 will be first Freedom variant to receive TRS-4D radar.

http://www.janes.com/article/56339/firs ... acceptance

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:33 am**

ORIGINAL: orca

I'm using the db 445. The LCS don't have the AN/SQR-20 Multi-Function Towed Array. Aren't these standard on all LCS?

Don't think so. If you can post a source on this though we can make changes.

Mike

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:33 am**

New HQ-16B medium range SAM, semi-official unveiling but in service since 2014:

http://www.janes.com/article/63500/chin ... am-variant
http://www.eastpendulum.com/nouveau-sam ... re-service
http://news.ifeng.com/mil/2/detail_2011 ... 04_2.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system (HQ-16B entry at the bottom)

Main improvements:
- extended range of 70km (predecessor has 45km range)
- extended max altitude of 25km
- active radar seeker combined with semi-active radar auxiliary guidance

Deployment:
- confirmed to be used by land-based HQ-16 TELs since at least 2014
- naval variant designated HHQ-16C but likely similiar to the B variant, deployment status unknown, but integration has likely happened, as it is "plug and play", since land-based HQ-16B SAM uses exactly the same engagement/search radars and support vehicles of the previous HQ-16A:

^HQ-16B search radar - similiar to the one used by the HQ-16A:

^HQ-16A radars.

http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/ ... 3817.shtml

More info:
fb.asp?m=4142962

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:36 am**

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

New HQ-16B medium range SAM, semi-official unveiling but in service since 2014:

http://www.janes.com/article/63500/chin ... am-variant
http://www.eastpendulum.com/nouveau-sam ... re-service
http://news.ifeng.com/mil/2/detail_2011 ... 04_2.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system (HQ-16B entry at the bottom)

Main improvements:
- extended range of 70km (predecessor has 45km range)
- extended max altitude of 25km
- active radar seeker combined with semi-active radar auxiliary guidance

Deployment:
- confirmed to be used by land-based HQ-16 TELs since at least 2014
- naval variant designated HHQ-16C but likely similiar to the B variant, deployment status unknown, but integration is likely happened, as it is "plug and play", since land-based HQ-16B SAM uses exactly the same engagement/search radars and support vehicles of the previous HQ-16A:

^HQ-16B search radar - similiar to the one used by the HQ-16A:

^HQ-16A radars.

http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/ ... 3817.shtml

More info:
fb.asp?m=4142962

Perfect. Added to our list.

M

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 11:54 am**

Thank you all for the requests. Some of you did a great job putting together information for us and we definitely appreciate that.

Worklist updated to this point.

Thanks!

Mike

Posted: **Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:18 pm**

Just found a small issue with the DB, there's no docking facilities on any of the type 45 (daring class) destroyers but these are the links to some images showing that the type 45 destroyer has the ability to dock 2 RHIBs 1 on either side of the hull just forward of the helipad.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 32_(3).jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... _466_b.jpg

Fixed

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:13 pm**

Doing a bit of research on the US Sealift Command. An interesting capability that I had not noticed before and I do not believe is in the DB:

Basically some T-AK's (dry bulk cargo) ships in the Ready Reserve Fleet have the ability to replenish other ships at sea with a 'Modular Cargo Delivery System' (MCDS):

"Cape Johnson was included in the exercise in order to prove its untested modular cargo delivery system. The MCDS is a mechanized cargo transfer unit which acts as a combination elevator and winch, hoisting pallets of cargo into the air and then across wire lines strung between two ships sailing simultaneously side-by-side. Cape Johnson handily resupplied 11 Navy ships while operating during COMPTUEX 98-1, moving 65 pallets of equipment across the waves."

http://www.msc.navy.mil/publications/pr ... ress35.htm

One photo I found was here, not over clear however:

http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2003/Ju ... -flint.htm

here is a rather dry research paper on the subject, I believe this is for a similar system that can be rigged on any ship: http://navy.memorieshop.com/Northern-Li ... h-File.pdf

Annex A of Joint Publication 4-01.2 Sealift Support to Joint Operations defines it as:

2. Modular Cargo Delivery System
MCDS installed on three RRF breakbulk ships enable the ships to perform standard tensioned
replenishment alongside method (STREAM) UNREP operations with US and Allied ships
equipped with a dry cargo UNREP receiving station. The MCDS is a self-contained STREAM
station installed on the port side forward and aft of the breakbulk ships. Throughput rates are
similar to those of naval and MSC UNREP rigs.

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/jp4_01_2.pdf

There are plenty of ship photos of the 'Cape J' and 'Cape C' here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/13/135043.htm

I know its not sexy but with upcoming improvements to the game it may be interesting. I will also use them in the NF series if provided.

Thanks

Posted: **Fri Sep 09, 2016 9:35 pm**

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Doing a bit of research on the US Sealift Command. An interesting capability that I had not noticed before and I do not believe is in the DB:

Basically some T-AK's (dry bulk cargo) ships in the Ready Reserve Fleet have the ability to replenish other ships at sea with a 'Modular Cargo Delivery System' (MCDS):

"Cape Johnson was included in the exercise in order to prove its untested modular cargo delivery system. The MCDS is a mechanized cargo transfer unit which acts as a combination elevator and winch, hoisting pallets of cargo into the air and then across wire lines strung between two ships sailing simultaneously side-by-side. Cape Johnson handily resupplied 11 Navy ships while operating during COMPTUEX 98-1, moving 65 pallets of equipment across the waves."

http://www.msc.navy.mil/publications/pr ... ress35.htm

One photo I found was here, not over clear however:

http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2003/Ju ... -flint.htm

here is a rather dry research paper on the subject, I believe this is for a similar system that can be rigged on any ship: http://navy.memorieshop.com/Northern-Li ... h-File.pdf

Annex A of Joint Publication 4-01.2 Sealift Support to Joint Operations defines it as:

2. Modular Cargo Delivery System
MCDS installed on three RRF breakbulk ships enable the ships to perform standard tensioned
replenishment alongside method (STREAM) UNREP operations with US and Allied ships
equipped with a dry cargo UNREP receiving station. The MCDS is a self-contained STREAM
station installed on the port side forward and aft of the breakbulk ships. Throughput rates are
similar to those of naval and MSC UNREP rigs.

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/jp4_01_2.pdf

There are plenty of ship photos of the 'Cape J' and 'Cape C' here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/13/135043.htm

I know its not sexy but with upcoming improvements to the game it may be interesting. I will also use them in the NF series if provided.

Thanks

Sure. Added to our list.

Mike

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:25 pm**

Right

Attached is a spreadsheet with some data and hyperlinks to each of the ships with more data and photos.

Am not sure what the parameters are for the DB but I think you could probably get away with two entries:

1) Cape B, Cape C & Cape J in one entry, there all between 72 & 8200 Tons
2) The two Gulf class and the Buyer ~11,000 tons

All are available from the early to mid 80's and disposed of in the mid 00's

Digging up some data on some of the other interesting ships in this category, LASH, FloFlo etc.

Thanks

B

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:21 pm**

Here is some stuff on LASH (Lighter aboard Ship) in the USN active and Ready Reserve Fleet.

Here is the wiki on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighter_aboard_ship

And a vid, its been around a while I guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxKmsJJsx9g

Learn something new every day with this game.

Spreadsheet with the USN ships attached.

I see the Soviets had some as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sevmorput

Thanks

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:24 pm**

This is a 'one off' and seems to be a modified Heavy Lift vessel:

American Cormorant: http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2062.htm

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/tak-2062.htm

B

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:50 pm**

Not sure if this one is worth modeling in the DB:

SS Green Wave, sister to some of the LASH ships on its annual Antarctic resupply run, impressive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GlQ9vFSFk4

http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2012/Ap ... enwave.htm

Posted: **Sat Sep 10, 2016 2:01 pm**

And 3 ships of the Cape May Class of Barge lift ships which are referred to in the LASH links, as SEABEE (Sea Barge) ship.

http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2012/Oc ... lots12.htm

T-AKR-5063 Cape May http://navysite.de/akr/akr5063.htm
T-AKR-5064 Cape Mendocino http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/54/545064.htm
T-AKR-5065 Cape Mohican https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Cape_M ... -AKR-5065)

Thanks

B

Posted: **Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:31 pm**

Final Data for SSBN-726 in 1981-november (in french) :

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This form data works for surface ships old and new, "blindage" or "pont d'envol" explain this !
the displacment data is in french ton

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2016 12:11 am**

There are sources (not sure if they are accurate) that say the JH-7B is capable of aerial refueling but it does not have this capability in the DB. Below are links but maybe some of the members that have more knowledge of this could reply.

https://sinodefence.com/chinese-militar ... -aircraft/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_JH-7#JH-7B
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/jh-7-j ... 12/page-35

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:32 pm**

#1440 A 301 Drakensberg

I will use Drakensberg in a fictional Albania scenario. And I notice that Drakensberg has 1 Hangar (2 small aircrafts) in DB so SA-330H (Oryx) cannot be operated from this ship. Also A301 can operate 2 RHIBs. Properties of Replenishment are missing too.

From South african Navy web:
Displacement, tons: 6,000 light; 12 500 full load
Dimensions, feet (metres): 482,3 x 64 x 25,9 (147 x 19,5 x 7,9)
Main Machinery: 16, 320 hp(m) (12 MW); 1 shaft; cp prop; bow thruster
Speed, knots: 20+
Range, miles: 8,000 at 15kt
Complement: 96 (10 officers) plus 10 aircrew plus 22 spare
Cargo Capacity: 5,500 tons fuel; 750 tons ammunition and dry stores; 2 Delta 80 LCUs
Guns: 4 Oerlikon 20 mm GAM-BO1, 6 - 12,7 mm MGs
Helicopters: 2 SA 330H/J Oryx
Comment: SAS DRAKENSBERG is the largest ship built in South Africa and the first naval vessel to be completely designed in this country. In addition to her replenishment role she is employed on search and rescue duties, patrol and surveillance duties and has considerable potential for use in disaster relief. As well as LCUs, she carries two diving support boats and two RHIBs. Replenishment at sea is from two abeam positions or from the RAS deck astern. She is also equipped for jackstay and vertrep. She has two helicopter landing spots, one forward and one astern. SAS DRAKENSBERG’s main secondary role is the transport of consumables, but she can also be used to support small craft and transport a limited number of troops.

Some interesting pictures of an Oryx operating with Drakensberg.

From South African Navy web

Thanks.

Fixed

Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:52 am**

I was reading the post about the Type 31 for the Royal Navy and did a bit of research and came across these three designs which are all currently contenders
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/venator ... t-frigate/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-unv ... 1-frigate/

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:51 am**

Hello it looks like

the weapon #1152 -- MIM-104B Patriot "PAC-1" has "anti stand-off jammer" (ASOJ) designed to seek out and destroy ECM emitters.
so it would the properties would have Home on Jam (HOJ) thanks.

Reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_P ... 28PAC-1.29

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2016 11:52 am**

Hello all,
The Mk.48 torperdo in the DB is resume to Mod.2 (not produced) and Mod.3, where is the mod.1, mod.4, mod.5 ADCAP, mod.6 ACOT and mod.7 CBASS ?

Posted: **Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:59 pm**

ORIGINAL: conforoa

Hello all,
The Mk.48 torperdo in the DB is resume to Mod.2 (not produced) and Mod.3, where is the mod.1, mod.4, mod.5 ADCAP, mod.6 ACOT and mod.7 CBASS ?

These are in the database but may not be for the platform you're look at. What submarine? Can you give us the name and year or ID number?

Thanks!

Mike

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