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RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:05 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: orca
In db build 447 the range for the HQ-16A is 2-21.59 nm. Shouldn't it be 2-40 nm?
See post at the bottom of this page
tm.asp?m=3436106&mpage=99&key=
Will update as data evolves but I think his post and data are closer to reality. The B variant has a better range and probalbly closer to the SA-17.
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:06 pm
by mikmykWS
On our list and will be added when more data is available. My understanding is the system involved might be quite different so best to no rush to get it in.
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:47 pm
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Characteristics of active radar seekers of 3M-54 and 3M-14 are different in DB and at the manufacturer's site.
Added to worklist but need a weblink so we can verify.
Thanks!
Mike
What kind of web links you mean? Unfortunately producer of these seekers has no website on English, only on Russian.
Same data is present at
Air power Australia But they give no references to the sources.
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:54 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Filitch
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Characteristics of active radar seekers of 3M-54 and 3M-14 are different in DB and at the manufacturer's site.
Added to worklist but need a weblink so we can verify.
Thanks!
Mike
What kind of web links you mean? Unfortunately producer of these seekers has no website on English, only on Russian.
Same data is present at
Air power Australia But they give no references to the sources.
I need sources to back up changes. Russian links are absolutely fine.
Look at Triode's posts to see what we like. He really does a great job at finding what we need to impliment changes.
Thanks!
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:28 pm
by Filitch
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
I need sources to back up changes. Russian links are absolutely fine.
Look at Triode's posts to see what we like. He really does a great job at finding what we need to impliment changes.
Thanks!
Mike
I'm not sure, but here you can found a lot of information about these missles
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-818.html
and here
http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php/topic,13206.0.html
Seekers data:
http://radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_4 and
http://radar-mms.com/Product.aspx?product_7_2
Thanks
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:33 pm
by Filitch
Some pages above there is a post about installing SVP-24 Gefest on the Su-33.
mikmyk has requested a photo.
I think this is a first photo Su-33 with FAB-500:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1126120927456643&set=a.178241115577967.39891.100001762398819&type=3&theater
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:01 pm
by mikmykWS
Definitely looks like one. Think you can wait a week for a better picture to appear[:)]
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:02 pm
by mikmykWS
PL-10E
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:29 am
by Dysta
http://3g.china.com/act/military/111327 ... 40986.html (simplified Chinese)
Detail of PL-10E WVRAAM mentioned by Lead Designer Leung:
PL-10 should be called PL-10E
Range should reduce to 10.8nm (20km) from 15nm
Infrared imaging guidance
>60G
RE: PL-10E
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 12:44 am
by mikmykWS
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:27 am
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: mikmyk
Definitely looks like one. Think you can wait a week for a better picture to appear[:)]
Mike
How about one day? Will give it a few more as I'm guessing it could carry at least 2 more bombs.

RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:29 pm
by hellfish6
I'd be more keen to see it actually taking off with bombs...
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:38 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: hellfish6
I'd be more keen to see it actually taking off with bombs...
Yeah odds are pretty good we'll see pictures soon.
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:14 pm
by Filitch
Why not? 2 x FAB-500M-54 weight 960 kg. At many videos Su-33 takes off with light loadout - 2 x R-73 + 2 x R-27 weighting about 900 kg. No problem to take off.
Colleague
Triode posted many photos of Su-33.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4181909
Maninly Strike land loadout - 2 x R-73 + 2 x FAB-500M-54.
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:03 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Filitch
Why not? 2 x FAB-500M-54 weight 960 kg. At many videos Su-33 takes off with light loadout - 2 x R-73 + 2 x R-27 weighting about 900 kg. No problem to take off.
Colleague
Triode posted many photos of Su-33.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4181909
Maninly Strike land loadout - 2 x R-73 + 2 x FAB-500M-54.
Got it. Please be patient.
Thanks!
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:23 pm
by Hongjian
First video evidence that the J-10B or C can conduct SEAD with YJ-91/Kh-31P ARMs. A first for the entire J-10 series. Also, note the blue PL-10 dummy on its starboard wing's outmost pylon.
Video of the recent "Red Sword" air combat excercise of the PLAAF in link:
https://twitter.com/OedoSoldier/status/ ... 1271095296
This is quite a significant uograde of the J-10's multirole capability.
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:26 pm
by mikmykWS
Yeah saw this one today. Will be added.
Thanks!
Mike
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:53 pm
by JamitovHymem
ORIGINAL: Hongjian
First video evidence that the J-10B or C can conduct SEAD with YJ-91/Kh-31P ARMs. A first for the entire J-10 series. Also, note the blue PL-10 dummy on its starboard wing's outmost pylon.
Are there any minor differences between the Kh31p and the YJ91 or are they the exact same thing?
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 12:12 am
by GrimGrom
Do you plan to update the entry for BUK M3 system, as it entered the service few weeks ago?
At the moment, DB is showing no difference between M2 and M3, while open sources are indicating increased performances, PoH, and new electronics.
RE: 3M-54, -14 active radar seekers
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:09 am
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: GrimGrom
Do you plan to update the entry for BUK M3 system, as it entered the service few weeks ago?
At the moment, DB is showing no difference between M2 and M3, while open sources are indicating increased performances, PoH, and new electronics.
Sure. Could you post those open sources.
Thanks!
Mike