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RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:32 pm
by delatbabel
ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis
What about garrisons in provincial capitals at surrender?
Do they become prisoners (effectively going to the reinf pool)?
If you're going by EiA original rules, they stay in place - however since the provincial capital is no longer "enemy" occupied the original (or new) owning power gets the money/manpower from it as per normal.
EiA prevents a player garrisoning a national capital even during a provisional peace, and so garrisons in national capitals should go to the reinf pool.
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:36 pm
by delatbabel
Please note that in original EiA players have 3 months to *pick up* any garrison factors from the surrendering nation, and 6 months to move any corps out. In that 3 months you can use the corps to pick up any garrison factors, those corps then have another 3 months to exit the nation.
Quite long enough to march even from Moscow to the Turkish border. If you have Turkish regulars in St Petersburg or London however, you've got a problem (however not as large as the one that Russia or Englad was faced with when you marched there in the first place).
I'm reluctant to say to Matrix that they should introduce additional "chrome" into the game such as automatically moving corps or having garrison factors sprout wings and fly, that departs from what the original EiA game specified (yes I am an EiA purist).
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:39 pm
by NeverMan
ORIGINAL: delatbabel
Please note that in original EiA players have 3 months to *pick up* any garrison factors from the surrendering nation, and 6 months to move any corps out. In that 3 months you can use the corps to pick up any garrison factors, those corps then have another 3 months to exit the nation.
Quite long enough to march even from Moscow to the Turkish border. If you have Turkish regulars in St Petersburg or London however, you've got a problem (however not as large as the one that Russia or Englad was faced with when you marched there in the first place).
I'm reluctant to say to Matrix that they should introduce additional "chrome" into the game such as automatically moving corps or having garrison factors sprout wings and fly, that departs from what the original EiA game specified (yes I am an EiA purist).
Winter Movement was not part of the Original EiA. I am also an EiA purist, BUT Matrix saw fit to add the "EiH" rules into the game so they are here now and we have to deal with them.
I am all for giving factors 3 months and Corps 6 months. I think that even with Winter Movement, this should be ample time to remove any Corps from any country. After that, if you want to destroy the factors or make them prisoners then I'm ok either way.
The only thing I have a problem with is the 3 month rule for Corps.
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 1:49 pm
by Jimmer
ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis
What about garrisons in provincial capitals at surrender?
Do they become prisoners (effectively going to the reinf pool)?
I presume you mean unceded provincial capitals.
I would say they should stay where they are. They can't actually impact the other person unless he has another war, and that city gets besieged. If that happens, the power at peace should have the factors immediately repatriated.
Otherwise, they should follow the same rules as anywhere else (non-capitals).
If they are ceded to the power who has the factors in there, then they should remain as normal, since he owns the property.
Finally, if the factors belong to power 1, power 2 is the one that gave up the property, and power 3 is the one who actually owns it, this should be treated as if powers 1 and 3 just got peace.
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:35 pm
by Pans
I´m playing the new version 1.02k and just discovered the following:
Turkey surrendered unconditional to Austria (chosen 3 Provinces, reparation and enforced peace). After this there is still Austrian garrision in Constantinople and Turkey Corps in Wallachia.
Is this a new update or a bug?
Pans
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:41 pm
by NeverMan
Was this after the temp access?
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:05 pm
by Jimmer
This looks to be correct, Pans. The Turkish corps and the Austrian garrison both have that "limited access" that comes at the end of war.
NOTE: The Austrian garrison is in Adrianople, not Constantinople. If it had been in the latter, I suspect it would have been repatriated.
RE: Reporting bugs (post v.1.02)
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:09 am
by delatbabel
Hi all,
Please stop using this thread for reporting bugs.
Please see this thread for more information:
tm.asp?m=1831790
Thanx,