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The first game I think I asked for when the deals started... YES PLEASE!

ORIGINAL: wings7

This week's deal "Gary Grigsby’s Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich" makes it's debut on Deal of the Week! I've been waiting for this one for quite awhile...Thank You! [:)] I didn't realize it was one of Talonsoft's games, Talonsoft really introduced me to modern (today's) computer war gaming [&o]...you've got one week to jump on this one!

Patrick

The complaints about the UI and a promised patch that never was delivered has me leery of getting it.

Any feedback from those who buy it would be of interest, I am sure. Thanks.

ORIGINAL: rosseau

Any feedback from those who buy it would be of interest, I am sure. Thanks.

Real world demands are eating up all my time at the moment.
I do freelance/contract work for marketing research database companies, which means some days are very long and some days I am mostly free. Knowing which day is which is a roll of the dice.
Any spare game time has been absorbed in 2 current PBEM War in the Pacific-AE (short scenario) games. I enjoy the dept and "micromanagement" of games like WitPAE so "staff planning" games like BoB/BtR (as I remembered it) are the types of games I look for.

That doesn't mean I don't appreciate better tools and interfaces to manage data. I am sure there are a number of improvements that could/should be made. Getting time to give a thorough review might be hard to find this week. But, download completed - hope to get it installed tonight and look over the game.

Bombing the Reich is an okay game if you're planning to play as the British in the BoB scenario, but I couldn't really recommend the rest of the other sides. The game has zero inclination to tell you what you should be doing, nor will it tell you how to accomplish it and it's difficult to ascertain how effective you are.

It just throws you into the deep end of the pool of several dozen squadrons of different plane types and expects you to puzzle out the rest from there. That it's a Gary Grigsby game seems to imply that you should be paying attention to even the littlest of doctrinal details (what IS proper strategic bombing doctrine? The manual doesn't say!), such as plotting your Initial Points around easily identifiable river bends, but who knows if that makes an actual difference?

The one redeeming aspect is playing as the Brits since it's straightforward enough that you need to destroy bombers and you need to keep a positive kill ratio, but even playing as the Germans in the Bombing the Reich scenario will drown you in production minutia.

Its like this

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

Its like this

One of my all time favourite games. [&o] And the first computer strategy game that I bought (if my memory serves).

ORIGINAL: rosseau

$10 - maybe. I read every thread on this game and nothing remotely convinced me of considering a purchase. Even the guys who really knew their stuff had a difficult time figuring out any kind of coherent strategy. Even hot-seating it showed no pattern but some bugs. Matrix doesn't deserve $1 on this one. It just ain't right [;)]

But please, feel free to prove me wrong on this.

Sadly you maybe right on this.
It looks like there is little to no residual support, some promised patches never appeared and getting some basic user created support files posted on the message board so that late buyers like me can catch up is not being supported either.

I made the purchase as a nostalgia buy and I did play it a lot back in the day so I expect the "newer" patches will have done some improvements. My work load doesn't allow me much time to investigate at the moment but I didn't want to duck your honest question about the condition of the game.

I'm still in the hopeful category that I will get a few hours of fun out of it.

I think there is one reworked map you can still download from the Matrix mod thread. It just doesn't work with my discretionary income at the moment

My hopes are on Order of Battle Pacific.

hey there is a little life over there --

I posted a request for an old user created "tracker" program and the kind cohimbra replied with a link -- but there are apparently issues with the game still.

Too bad a few good folks don't take more interest in this game: like with the heavily reworked efforts on the John Tiller's Campaign Series - keeping a good game alive and going.

The community for WitP-AE is very active too and 5 years after it was released there are new scenarios and mods being worked on even as I type.

JT's Campaign Series still gets players and support because, as you said, it's a good game. Bombing the Reich gets played because it's very unique in terms of its subject matter but otherwise does not have a lot going for it. HPS Sims' Defending the Reich is significantly more playable.

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

JT's Campaign Series still gets players and support because, as you said, it's a good game. Bombing the Reich gets played because it's very unique in terms of its subject matter but otherwise does not have a lot going for it. HPS Sims' Defending the Reich is significantly more playable.

thanks for the reference, I may have to look it up

ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000

JT's Campaign Series still gets players and support because, as you said, it's a good game. Bombing the Reich gets played because it's very unique in terms of its subject matter but otherwise does not have a lot going for it. HPS Sims' Defending the Reich is significantly more playable.

thanks for the reference, I may have to look that one up
(WEIRD LATE NIGHT INTERNET DOUBLE POSTING)..............

While I think "Deal of the Week" is a great "feature", I'm not as excited at the $29.99 price tag on this. I was hoping for more of a $14.99 or $9.99 deal since it is so old. Can't have all prices what we want though huh? [:)]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

While I think "Deal of the Week" is a great "feature", I'm not as excited at the $29.99 price tag on this. I was hoping for more of a $14.99 or $9.99 deal since it is so old. Can't have all prices what we want though huh? [:)]

Well, it should be market driven. There's no point in a sale unless it shifts games, and I assume pricing strategy will be assessed according to how many extra copies they sell. I think the discounted price is too high as well, but it's a game I've wanted for ages as subject-wise it's the only one in town. I guess whether the price is right depends on how many like me are out there? [&:]

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Well, it should be market driven. There's no point in a sale unless it shifts games, and I assume pricing strategy will be assessed according to how many extra copies they sell. I think the discounted price is too high as well, but it's a game I've wanted for ages as subject-wise it's the only one in town. I guess whether the price is right depends on how many like me are out there? [&:]

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I'm one like you [:)] and I'm sure there are more that won't admit it! [;)]

Patrick

Well, I've waited this long I can surely wait some more. I'm not all that interested in the subject matter and perhaps the next time it will be discounted even more [:)]

And I'm sure there are others like me they just won't admit it also. [:D]

Yep, I am with you. Too expensive given its age and abandoned state with a promised patch that was never delivered.

This weeks's deal "Field of Glory" makes it's debut on Deal of the Week! This is another I have been waiting for and again Thank You! [:)] The Ancients have always fascinated me, I haven't had much playing experience in this time frame, but I'm looking forward to it. It's gotten good reviews and there are a number of Expansion Packs available...hopefully these expansion's will be on the Deal of the Week in the future! Happy Gaming Everyone!

Patrick

I have a request if ANYONE happens to think of it or catches a moment and sees John Tiller's Campaign Series on sale for "Deal of the Week" would you maybe PM me if you think of it? I don't visit the forum everyday and I actually already own the title but I lost it due to a mishap a while ago. I tried to see if I could "recover" it from the members area but unfortunately it didn't seem to be there to recover.
 
Thanks.