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Could you add Land Structures as a Target type to #3158 - Sea Venom [FASGW(H) / ANL] please?

"...ability to attack a wide range of surface targets ranging from small high speed surface craft up to large surface vessels such as corvettes, as well as coastal and land targets."

Source: http://www.leonardocompany.com/-/fasgw- ... t-contract

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Spike NLOS for South Korean AW.159 Wildcat

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ar-416840/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kforcemed ... 8685988394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3EOD8Mrmw (0:30 onwards)

Damn, I just saw that KLAB already requested this end of last year... You might still want to take a look at the video. At around 0:33 you get a glimpse on a specification board that lists the onboard sensors, weapons, countermeasures and the Link-16 datalink.

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Updated DB version of Chinese Z-9C

Could you add a new version that comes with a light ASuW loadout? Following the first PLAN anti-piracy deployments in 2008 and 2009, a clouple of naval Z-9s were modified to allow the aircraft to carry one 19x57mm rocket pod plus a PC-1AY 12,7mm Gun Pod. Other visible changes include the relocation of the FLIR turret. Since then, it seems like a larger batch of Z-9Cs has been converted to this standard.

I tried to pinpoint an In-service date for this version, without success. The best I could come up with is that the earliest appearance of this version dates back to 3. March 2010 with the deployment of the 5th Chinese Naval Escort Flotilla to the Gulf of Aden. All previous Escort Flotillas, excluding the 4th, are known to have deployed with the Ka-27 or later the common Z-9 version.

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... ers-i.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLAN-CV. ... ocId444734
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/piracy.htm
http://www.junjian.wang/data/0003/54/14523141484718.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KVZ7X81.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3ICOPEoXAeI/U ... /Z-9C8.jpg
http://globaldefence.net/wp-content/upl ... insatz.jpg
http://files.activeboard.com/858070?AWS ... 3mGZbnU%3D

Hope this is worth an add. Thanks in advance!

ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Spike NLOS for South Korean AW.159 Wildcat

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ar-416840/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kforcemed ... 8685988394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3EOD8Mrmw (0:30 onwards)

Damn, I just saw that KLAB already requested this end of last year... You might still want to take a look at the video. At around 0:33 you get a glimpse on a specification board that lists the onboard sensors, weapons, countermeasures and the Link-16 datalink.

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Updated DB version of Chinese Z-9C

Could you add a new version that comes with a light ASuW loadout? Following the first PLAN anti-piracy deployments in 2008 and 2009, a clouple of naval Z-9s were modified to allow the aircraft to carry one 19x57mm rocket pod plus a PC-1AY 12,7mm Gun Pod. Other visible changes include the relocation of the FLIR turret. Since then, it seems like a larger batch of Z-9Cs has been converted to this standard.

I tried to pinpoint an In-service date for this version, without success. The best I could come up with is that the earliest appearance of this version dates back to 3. March 2010 with the deployment of the 5th Chinese Naval Escort Flotilla to the Gulf of Aden. All previous Escort Flotillas, excluding the 4th, are known to have deployed with the Ka-27 or later the common Z-9 version.

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... ers-i.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLAN-CV. ... ocId444734
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/piracy.htm
http://www.junjian.wang/data/0003/54/14523141484718.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KVZ7X81.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3ICOPEoXAeI/U ... /Z-9C8.jpg
http://globaldefence.net/wp-content/upl ... insatz.jpg
http://files.activeboard.com/858070?AWS ... 3mGZbnU%3D

Hope this is worth an add. Thanks in advance!

NLOS loadout is in there for the Wildcat. Look at aircraft 3374 in the most recent DB.

Interesting bit on Z-9 will add at some point.

Thanks!

Mike

New faction request: Sea Shepherd / NGO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Sheph ... on_Society

As well as some steel-hulled, high endurance and faster fishing/processing vessels, good enough to challenge coast guards and even some coastal navies.

Example:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/monster- ... 32tr3.html
http://www.marineinsight.com/types-of-s ... rocessing/

http://britishseafishing.co.uk/atlantic ... from-hell/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Margiris
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2016/12/01/ ... -margiris/

http://www.worldfishing.net/news101/shi ... conversion
http://www.worldfishing.net/news101/shi ... ill-vessel

http://m.thanhniennews.com/politics/chi ... 26458.html (Converts, armored and/or armed)

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/16/12940708/g ... hing-watch (Monitoring Website)



It's for an non-military maritime scenario I am planning with. Such as the "Global Fishing Navies" by Chinese surrogates, anti-illegal fishing/whaling and more.

Inspired by this website: http://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge ... -fisheries

From the newest patch, there are some questions on the China related additions:

- I didnt find the HQ-19 ABM anywere. Or is the SC-19 suppossed to be the only ABM/ASAT system added?

- Also, the JD-16 Sino-Growler doesnt have a SEAD loadout, but only unarmed stand-off jamming? Sure, we havent seen any equipment on the JD-16 IRL either, but it would be logical for a dedicated ECM fighter to carry some ARMs like YJ-91s.

- Furthermore, the newer J-10C seems to feature an obsolete DECM system (Average Generic DECM) compared to its older J-10B brethren (Advance Generic DECM or even newer KG-600 DECM pod).

- ALso, I would like to again request that the Y-8Q gets a better surface search radar, since it is kinda illogical that the premiere ASW/MPA of the PLAN gets only a 25 nmi ranged surface search radar from the 70s. It's large radome under its chin would be capable to house at least a similiar radar as the much older Y-8X non-ASW capable MPA.
Chinese Military Aviation even suggests that the radar might be even a development of the British Skymaster/Searchwater 2000 radar equipped on China's older Y-8J surveillance planes.
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... aft-i.html

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

From the newest patch, there are some questions on the China related additions:

- I didnt find the HQ-19 ABM anywere. Or is the SC-19 suppossed to be the only ABM/ASAT system added?

- Also, the JD-16 Sino-Growler doesnt have a SEAD loadout, but only unarmed stand-off jamming? Sure, we havent seen any equipment on the JD-16 IRL either, but it would be logical for a dedicated ECM fighter to carry some ARMs like YJ-91s.

- Furthermore, the newer J-10C seems to feature an obsolete DECM system (Average Generic DECM) compared to its older J-10B brethren (Advance Generic DECM or even newer KG-600 DECM pod).

- ALso, I would like to again request that the Y-8Q gets a better surface search radar, since it is kinda illogical that the premiere ASW/MPA of the PLAN gets only a 25 nmi ranged surface search radar from the 70s. It's large radome under its chin would be capable to house at least a similiar radar as the much older Y-8X non-ASW capable MPA.
Chinese Military Aviation even suggests that the radar might be even a development of the British Skymaster/Searchwater 2000 radar equipped on China's older Y-8J surveillance planes.
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogsp ... aft-i.html

If you can provide data will add and adjust. I can't just add stuff based on your speculation. Sorry!

Thanks!

Mike

I understand. But why delay the inevitable? Building a Wild-Weasel and giving it no approapriate anti-radar weapons makes as much sense as to make a Maritime Patrol Plane and giving it no long range surface search radar.
It is not that I request adding deathray cannons or quantum radars or anything (although there are indeed signs that are pointing to that direction).

In a few month time, I or someone else would surely come over to this thread and post pictoral evidence confirming those no-brainer speculations.[;)]

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

I understand. But why delay the inevitable? Building a Wild-Weasel and giving it no approapriate anti-radar weapons makes as much sense as to make a Maritime Patrol Plane and giving it no long range surface search radar.
It is not that I request adding deathray cannons or quantum radars or anything (although there are indeed signs that are pointing to that direction).

In a few month time, I or someone else would surely come over to this thread and post pictoral evidence confirming those no-brainer speculations.[;)]

I know you advocate heavily for Chinese equipment but our goals are different. In our case we've got to make sure we don't implement stuff way to early or overstate their capabilities. This is driven partially by a desire to be accurate and disciplined but also making sure our changes don't really mess up somebody's scenario. We definitely appreciate any constructive help you can give.

Thanks

Mike

South Korean Airbus A.330-200 mrtt isn't 275,600lb(125,000kg).

Please check this error. Thanks [;)]

For Hongjian's ABM suggestion, I recently find the CASIC video about Project 8102 terminal ABM system was officially nominated the First-runnerup of National Award at 2013.

http://military.china.com/jszmt/02/1117 ... 44299.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://youtu.be/XAWNNApAJ5I (Simplified Chinese, Mandarin)

The report is of course opaque, and only thing I heard from the video is some sort of rocket engine or course-changing system being developed. The only focus is the award. Sadly there's no image of what exactly the missile looks like, even it's just a terminal-stage model.

Updates for the Piranah Project 865 midget submarine.

The first model p.865 carries four torpedoe tubes, not two. It also has other sensors such as sonar that are currently not in the game model.



1. Aft (rear) light
2. Rudder
3. Steerable shrouded propeller
4. Hydroplanes
5. Recesses for folding masts
6. Electronic Warfare mast (folding, port side)
7. Snort mast for diesel engine (folding, center)
8. Communication antenna (folding, starboard side)
9. 21” (533mm) torpedo tubes (4 in total)
10. Navigation light (green = starboard, red = port)
11. Main access hatch
12. Fair weather conning tower for surface use
13. Folding watershield
14. Radar antenna
15. Periscope
16. Forward light
17. Torpedo tube doors
18. Sirena-UM 2-man Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (x2 in torpedo tubes)
19. Latouche 400mm active-passive anti-ship torpedo (x2)
20. Bow hydroplanes (fold aft)
21. Diver lock-out chamber with ‘moon pool’ hatch in floor
22. Flooded outer hull
23. Passive sonar array
24. Fiberglass sonar dome
25. Sonar dome for active sonar array
26. Diver access hatch in outer hull
27. Spetsnaz diver
28. APS underwater assault rifle
29. IDA-71 rebreather
30. Command center
31. Habitation space
32. Batteries

Specifications
Length: 28.2 meters
Beam: 4.74 meter
Displacement: 218 tons surfaced, 287tns submerged
Speed: Maximum 6.28 kts surfaced, 6.5kts submerged
Operating depth: 180m (200m max)
Endurance : 10 days, 603nm at cruising speed of 4kts surfaced, 260nm at 4kts submerged
Armament: (inner tubes) 2 x 533mm (21") torpedo tubes for sub-size 400mm Latouche anti-ship torpedoes which swim out.
SDVs: (outer tubes) 2 x Sirena-UM Swimmer Delivery Vehicles, or 6-8 'Proton' diver propulsion devices
Crew: 3
Special Forces: 6

Successor designs
Piranha-T - small attack submarine variant with mix of 533mm and 400mm torpedo tubes. Limited diver capability (possibly exit via torpedo tubes).


U-130 - smaller dual-role attack and special forces submarine. Retains diver lock-out chamber with moon pool


Piranha-2 - updated special forces submarine. Extended hull may allow AIP (air-independent propulsion). Appears to sacrifice 533mm torpedo tubes for 400mm which would preclude the Sirena-UME SDV and some DPVs




Piranha-M - very few details.


Added 2 UUV/ROV facilities to model outer torp/UUV tubes.

Will keep digging for more info on sensors and torps.

I have a question about the new addition to the DB3K...the JD-16 "Sino Growler"

The aircraft Sensors/EW description in the Database only shows a Generic Comms Jammer (advanced) as the OECM component. I believe I read that Comms Jamming is not currently modeled in the game. Does the aircraft also have another OECM capability that's not listed, like active radar jamming etc?

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Kitchens Sink

Does the aircraft also have another OECM capability that's not listed, like active radar jamming etc?

Thanks!

It did, the KD-800 (can't see that name IRL, could be a placeholder) is the radar jammer, you need to arm it first.

Fixed KD-800->KG-800

Yeah the offensive jammers are on the pods in the loadout.

Mike

Thanks Mike, I see it on the pods themselves now. I guess I just got confused from the Aircraft Description in the database.

Thanks!

After playing the "Tanker Wars 2017" scenario with a grouped ship of Littoral combat ships (LCS): They were supposed to have NSM Missiles but they actually don't. Because of that, the scenario can't be finished without these weapons.

The database gives no clue regarding those NSM Missiles. Maybe it needs adjustment?

ORIGINAL: TheCabal

After playing the "Tanker Wars 2017" scenario with a grouped ship of Littoral combat ships (LCS): They were supposed to have NSM Missiles but they actually don't. Because of that, the scenario can't be finished without these weapons.

The database gives no clue regarding those NSM Missiles. Maybe it needs adjustment?

The NSM missiles were manually added by the scenario author onto those ships IIRC. Nothing that the devs can do, you would have to contact the scenario author himself (poaw I think) and describe the problem to him.

ORIGINAL: Dysta

For Hongjian's ABM suggestion, I recently find the CASIC video about Project 8102 terminal ABM system was officially nominated the First-runnerup of National Award at 2013.

http://military.china.com/jszmt/02/1117 ... 44299.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://youtu.be/XAWNNApAJ5I (Simplified Chinese, Mandarin)

The report is of course opaque, and only thing I heard from the video is some sort of rocket engine or course-changing system being developed. The only focus is the award. Sadly there's no image of what exactly the missile looks like, even it's just a terminal-stage model.

HenriK believed that Project 8102 is for HQ-29, a counterpart of PAC-III with hundreds of microrockets around the warhead stage, purely intended for direct impact design:

http://www.eastpendulum.com/hq-29-nouve ... -3-chinois (French, require membership)
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/hq-19- ... ost-438386 (Translated to English)

Who's HenriK?

Thanks!

Mike

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Who's HenriK?

Thanks!

Mike

Henri Kenhmann
https://m.facebook.com/East-Pendulum-341552486235302/

Nearly nobody know about his origin, but he is a die-hard PLA analysis for almost 10 years. Janes had even quoted him about Chinese ABM a year ago:
http://www.janes.com/article/62658/chin ... hq-19-test

What we only know about him is he can read and type Chinese for YouTube titles and arcitles, but he never use other language than French most of the time.