RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:53 pm
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You are due an "I Sank The CAs!" T-shirt. [:)]
Nuh uh. Maya isn't on that list.
Round-off error. [:'(]
Round-off error. [:'(]
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Round-off error. [:'(]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:47 pm
ORIGINAL: Grollub
Yummy ... I wonder why these names fills me with that warm fuzzy feeling? [:D][:'(]
[:D]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:13 pm
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You are due an "I Sank The CAs!" T-shirt. [:)]
Nuh uh. Maya isn't on that list.
Round-off error. [:'(]
Mikuma is missing too [:)]. For some reason, Suzuya was always my favorite. You leave her alone.
Weird that you sunk almost all of the CAs (including the Tones!), Joc, but no BBs.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:47 pm
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
Nuh uh. Maya isn't on that list.
Round-off error. [:'(]
Mikuma is missing too [:)]. For some reason, Suzuya was always my favorite. You leave her alone.
Weird that you sunk almost all of the CAs (including the Tones!), Joc, but no BBs.
Looking at the list, the 1000lb bomb seems to be the biggest killer of Japanese shipping, but they just bounce off the Japanese BB's. Torpedo's have made a fairly significant impact as well, but they've been overshadowed by the dive-bombing crowd!
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:34 pm
You will have to ask Erik of course but I think the explanation is pretty simple.
I havn´t seen any BBs for something like 2 years now so the chances to sink them have been limited. [:)] Just like in the real war they have very limited use. Especially for Japan. No need to cover any amphibs or do atoll invasions. Useless is a pretty strong word but not too far from the truth. Add to that how they just gobble fuel...I see very little use for them as Japan besides bomb/TT magnet...
I havn´t seen any BBs for something like 2 years now so the chances to sink them have been limited. [:)] Just like in the real war they have very limited use. Especially for Japan. No need to cover any amphibs or do atoll invasions. Useless is a pretty strong word but not too far from the truth. Add to that how they just gobble fuel...I see very little use for them as Japan besides bomb/TT magnet...
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:18 am
[font="Verdana"]8th-9th May -45[/font]
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Quick and dirty update! Don´t have access to my computer right now so no screens or Combat report.
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Okinawa
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The sweeps on the 8th did better then expected shooting down 90 planes for 25 own losses. Good day! We also found the KB again lurking just outside Fukuoka 1 hex to the NE.
On the 8th a gaggle of Jap subs appeared in the area. Sent out a couple of ASW TFs to deal with them.
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China
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Our main army is now just one day from the Canton/HK stack. Strangely enough Erik has not moved to open the hex side yet but sits just one hex to the east? Not sure why. My main army will attack as soon as I arrive. Its x3 terrain but I want to try and inflict as much damage as possible. I hope Erik lacks supply. My armor have turned around and should reach the area in 4-6 days. I need to do a river crossing into a BDE.
In the North I did attack with the Chinese. It went a little bit worse then expected. Won´t do that again. 300 Destroyed and 3500 disabled squads. Ouch!
Sorry for the crappy update.
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Quick and dirty update! Don´t have access to my computer right now so no screens or Combat report.
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Okinawa
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The sweeps on the 8th did better then expected shooting down 90 planes for 25 own losses. Good day! We also found the KB again lurking just outside Fukuoka 1 hex to the NE.
On the 8th a gaggle of Jap subs appeared in the area. Sent out a couple of ASW TFs to deal with them.
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China
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Our main army is now just one day from the Canton/HK stack. Strangely enough Erik has not moved to open the hex side yet but sits just one hex to the east? Not sure why. My main army will attack as soon as I arrive. Its x3 terrain but I want to try and inflict as much damage as possible. I hope Erik lacks supply. My armor have turned around and should reach the area in 4-6 days. I need to do a river crossing into a BDE.
In the North I did attack with the Chinese. It went a little bit worse then expected. Won´t do that again. 300 Destroyed and 3500 disabled squads. Ouch!
Sorry for the crappy update.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:01 am
Gah, My internet is a mess today. Hope they will sort it soon. Managed to get this screen up finally. Its the losses from the 7th.
Maria will be out of town for a couple of days so updates might not be of the best quality/quantity depending on how the little one will (or won´t) sleep.
Maria will be out of town for a couple of days so updates might not be of the best quality/quantity depending on how the little one will (or won´t) sleep.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:36 pm
My internet seems to have sorted itself. Just got a note from Erik letting me know he can´t send the turn tonight because he is stuck at work. So update not coming until tomorrow!
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:57 am
[font="Verdana"]10th May - Battle for the East China Sea[/font]
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The 10th of May saw the first action of what will develop into the battle of the ECS. Hopefully Erik havn´t realized what is about to happen but believes this is a landing at Shanghai. I have done what I can to make it look like that.
The objective is really simple. To either destroy or drive the IJN far into the Sea of Japan. I want the ECS to be completely in Allied control. If Erik stays in the same positions tomorrow I hope to sink some of his battle fleet. The KB is out or reach for now.
During the night we sank one of the supersubs!
The day began with a limited sweep over a DD TF then followed by a small CV strike.
This is the first shots fired. I hope this don´t scare Erik away tomorrow.
Tomorrow we will move within 7 hexes from what is believed to be 2 BB TFs. Erik havn´t positioned the KB very well as it is too far to launch any counter strikes. I´m not expecting any LBA to launch either as we will be 8 some way off the coast.
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Tomorrow (see map)
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During the night the B29s will drop mines at selected harbors and the subs will make a full speed run into position. 1/3rd of the subs are equipped with mines and those will add to the mines dropped by the B29s.
There will be massive sweeps ordered for tomorrow. 350 P47Ns will sweep at various targets to wear down CAP and LRCAP. I hope by sweeping Tsushima I can deal a good blow to the KB CAP and gut them on the first day of fighting.
We will move to the indicated position with the fleet. This will put us 7 hexes from what is believed to be the BB fleet in two separate TFs. To benefit of this position is that we are still 8 hexes from any major CAP like the 900 fighters at Nagasaki.
All this of course depends on Erik staying in position. If he spots the danger he may very well move into the Sea of Japan in which case this operation is a success anyway.
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The 10th of May saw the first action of what will develop into the battle of the ECS. Hopefully Erik havn´t realized what is about to happen but believes this is a landing at Shanghai. I have done what I can to make it look like that.
The objective is really simple. To either destroy or drive the IJN far into the Sea of Japan. I want the ECS to be completely in Allied control. If Erik stays in the same positions tomorrow I hope to sink some of his battle fleet. The KB is out or reach for now.
During the night we sank one of the supersubs!
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 09, 45
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Submarine attack near Ningpo at 94,60
Japanese Ships
SS I-401, hits 25, and is sunk
Allied Ships
CL Miami
CL Birmingham
DD Yarnall
DD Wickes
DD Waller
DD Walker
SS I-401 is sighted by escort
DD Yarnall attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-401 forced to surface!
DD Yarnall firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Wickes firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Waller firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Walker firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Yarnall firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves
The day began with a limited sweep over a DD TF then followed by a small CV strike.
This is the first shots fired. I hope this don´t scare Erik away tomorrow.
Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 101,58
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 5
J2M5 Jack x 4
Ki-83 x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 12
Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 624
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 26
Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 3 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 8 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Namikaze
DD Yakaze
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
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Morning Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 101,58
Weather in hex: Moderate rain
Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1
Ki-83 x 9
Ki-100-I Tony x 6
Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 21
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 28
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
SB2C-4 Helldiver: 7 destroyed, 4 damaged
Japanese Ships
DD Namikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yakaze
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Fukue-jima at 101,58
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms
Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 11
J2M5 Jack x 6
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-100-I Tony x 11
Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 600
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 21
Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed
Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 5 destroyed
Japanese Ships
DD Namikaze, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tachikaze, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yakaze
Tomorrow we will move within 7 hexes from what is believed to be 2 BB TFs. Erik havn´t positioned the KB very well as it is too far to launch any counter strikes. I´m not expecting any LBA to launch either as we will be 8 some way off the coast.
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Tomorrow (see map)
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During the night the B29s will drop mines at selected harbors and the subs will make a full speed run into position. 1/3rd of the subs are equipped with mines and those will add to the mines dropped by the B29s.
There will be massive sweeps ordered for tomorrow. 350 P47Ns will sweep at various targets to wear down CAP and LRCAP. I hope by sweeping Tsushima I can deal a good blow to the KB CAP and gut them on the first day of fighting.
We will move to the indicated position with the fleet. This will put us 7 hexes from what is believed to be the BB fleet in two separate TFs. To benefit of this position is that we are still 8 hexes from any major CAP like the 900 fighters at Nagasaki.
All this of course depends on Erik staying in position. If he spots the danger he may very well move into the Sea of Japan in which case this operation is a success anyway.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:14 am
Turn sent...now the pacing begins!
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:35 am
My least favorite phrase during Combat Replay is "Severe Storms." Sometimes I feel the weather is harder to defeat than my opponents moves. [:(]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:00 am
ORIGINAL: ny59giants
My least favorite phrase during Combat Replay is "Severe Storms." Sometimes I feel the weather is harder to defeat than my opponents moves. [:(]
Yeah, seen a lot of those! [:(] Can´t imagine the weather being as bad IRL as it is in the game. We are using advanced weather OFF so we shouldn´t get hit by that weather bug reported earlier.
No news from Erik...oddly enough I´m no near as nervous as I usually am doing a major move like this. Don´t know if that is good or bad! [:D]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:23 pm
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
[font="Verdana"]Allied Navy[/font]
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I put down my TFs in a document to keep track of them. I have to at this point or I would forget half of it. I put down what ships are in what TF and what I named it (I chose an easy naming scheme). Also TF number, where it is and where I intend to send it. This is absolutely essential or things would get lost. I made it into early 45 before I had to start putting things down "externally". Its just impossible otherwise.
Now that most of it is gathering for the next battle I thought I share it with you. I might shift some ships around but this is pretty much how it will stay for the next battle.
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Carrier Forces
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Fast CV 1
CV Essex, CV Intrepid, CV Hancock, CV Bennington, CV Indomitable, CVL Belleau Wood, CVL Princton, CVL Monterey
606 Planes
Fast CV 2
CV Bunker Hill, CV Franklin, CV Valhalla, CV Viking, CV Indefatigable, CV Independence, CV Victorious, CVL Langley, CVL Cowpens
598 Planes
Fast CV3
CV Randolph, CV Ticonderoga, CV Shangri-La, CV Midgaard, CV Yggdrasil, CV Illustrious, CVL Baatan, CVL San Jacinto
608 Planes
CVE TF 1
17 CVEs
486 Planes
CVE TF 2
18 CVEs
478 Planes
CVE TF 3
18 CVEs
476 Planes
CVE ASW
6 CVEs
112 Planes
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Battle Fleet
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Fast BB 1
Iowa, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Missouri
Fast BB 2
South Dakota, Indiana, Massachusetts, Alabama
Slow BB 1
Maryland, Colorado, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Califonia
Slow BB 2
King George V, Valiant, Queen Elizabeth, Renown
Slow BB 3
Arkansas, New York, Texas
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Cruiser TFs
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CA 1
Astoria, Minneapolis, San Francisco, Vincennes
CA 2
Canberra II, Tuscaloosa, Boston, Pittsburgh, Quincy II
CA 3
Dorsetshire, London, Suffolk, Chester, Chicago
CA 4
Cumberland, Cornwall
CL 1
St. Louis, Phoenix, Nashville, Honolulu
CL 2
Montpelier, Birmingham, Mobile, Miami
CL3
Pasadena, Wilkes-Barre, Vicksburg, Heimdal
CL 4
Biloxi, Columbia, Valkyria, Mjollner
CL 5
Gambia, Leander, Richmond, Helena
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Destroyer TFs
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5x 12 Ship Fletcher/Sumner TFs,
1x British DD TF
1x Mixed DD TF
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En route Luzon
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British
CV Implacable (81 Capacity needs plane upgrades!), 5 CVEs, BB Nelson, BB Howe, CL, Caradoc, CL Emarald, CL Kenya, CL Bermuda, 18 DDs + 2 CLAAs
USN
CL Duluth, CL Topeka, CL Oklahoma City CL Atlanta II. 13 DDs (varied types)
Dumb questions, but do you have all of these as SEPERATE task forces... in other words.. JUST the CVs as their own, the BBs, yada yada.. no mixing?
If so, I would be curious to see how the works, vs mixing ships...CVs, CAs, and DDs all in one vs 3 TFs that follow one another.
BTW nice Norse Mythology names on the CVs.
Enjoying your late war AAR.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:43 pm
The CVs are a bit of a special case. The fast CVs have 2-3 CLAAs each plus Fast TF1 and 2 have a CB each. The others are as they look. Every TF filled up with DDs to 12 ships total.
I think it was Nemo who did the testing but mixing ship types is basically not a good idea. I try not to mix different classes more then necessary either. So I don´t mix Clevelands with british CLs and so on.
I think it was Nemo who did the testing but mixing ship types is basically not a good idea. I try not to mix different classes more then necessary either. So I don´t mix Clevelands with british CLs and so on.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 3:47 pm
God this game sucks sometimes...extreme overcast.
This is the mighty strike that went after the BBs. [:@]
This is the mighty strike that went after the BBs. [:@]
F6F-5 Hellcat x 38
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 21
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:02 pm
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
God this game sucks sometimes...extreme overcast.
This is the mighty strike that went after the BBs. [:@]
F6F-5 Hellcat x 38
SB2C-4 Helldiver x 21
The weather is your true enemy! Time to start up the super secret post-war weather control programs! Seed the clouds! Use UHF to make them go away! Etc. [:D]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:02 pm
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
The CVs are a bit of a special case. The fast CVs have 2-3 CLAAs each plus Fast TF1 and 2 have a CB each. The others are as they look. Every TF filled up with DDs to 12 ships total.
I think it was Nemo who did the testing but mixing ship types is basically not a good idea. I try not to mix different classes more then necessary either. So I don´t mix Clevelands with british CLs and so on.
It was Nemo. You are correct. I follow the same composition as much as I can.. hard to in the early stages of the war.
So EVERY TF you listed has DD escorts to fill the TF up to 12 ships.. I follow.
Do you have a dedicated ASW (the x12 DD groups I am assuming) that every TF follows, and everyone is set to react - 0? How do you use the retirement/remain on station setting then?
Thanks.
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:16 pm
ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
The CVs are a bit of a special case. The fast CVs have 2-3 CLAAs each plus Fast TF1 and 2 have a CB each. The others are as they look. Every TF filled up with DDs to 12 ships total.
I think it was Nemo who did the testing but mixing ship types is basically not a good idea. I try not to mix different classes more then necessary either. So I don´t mix Clevelands with british CLs and so on.
It was Nemo. You are correct. I follow the same composition as much as I can.. hard to in the early stages of the war.
So EVERY TF you listed has DD escorts to fill the TF up to 12 ships.. I follow.
Do you have a dedicated ASW (the x12 DD groups I am assuming) that every TF follows, and everyone is set to react - 0? How do you use the retirement/remain on station setting then?
Thanks.
Yes, except the CV/CVE TFs which has 25 ships. Every TF is set to follow Fast CV 1. All set to react 0. I only use single hex patrol zone for movement as I have found that ships tend to ignore "remain on station" I never ever use waypoints or full speed. Less things that can F up. [:)]
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:17 pm
To tired to do the update tonight. Basically nothing exciting happened. I´ll get the update up tomorrow!
RE: Battle for Okinawa!
Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:39 pm
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
ORIGINAL: jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: JocMeister
The CVs are a bit of a special case. The fast CVs have 2-3 CLAAs each plus Fast TF1 and 2 have a CB each. The others are as they look. Every TF filled up with DDs to 12 ships total.
I think it was Nemo who did the testing but mixing ship types is basically not a good idea. I try not to mix different classes more then necessary either. So I don´t mix Clevelands with british CLs and so on.
It was Nemo. You are correct. I follow the same composition as much as I can.. hard to in the early stages of the war.
So EVERY TF you listed has DD escorts to fill the TF up to 12 ships.. I follow.
Do you have a dedicated ASW (the x12 DD groups I am assuming) that every TF follows, and everyone is set to react - 0? How do you use the retirement/remain on station setting then?
Thanks.
Yes, except the CV/CVE TFs which has 25 ships. Every TF is set to follow Fast CV 1. All set to react 0. I only use single hex patrol zone for movement as I have found that ships tend to ignore "remain on station" I never ever use waypoints or full speed. Less things that can F up. [:)]
Ive noticed the same things on "remain on station" sometimes and have gone the same route as a 1 hex patrol. Especially SAGs.. they tend to actually react that way.
Thanks.