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ORIGINAL: dale1066

Just been looking through Janes for details on the french navy
Do you need the details of the Hungarian navy [:)]

No Hungarian navy units are represented in the game. See page 2 of this thread for Land units needing to be done. [:D]

Oh I know, it just surprised me to find a navy for a land locked country, FYI they were patrol vessels on the danube. Please save me from that much detail inf WiF [:D] Thats what the Europa series of games are for, fancy doing the computer version of them next lads? [&o]

ORIGINAL: capitan

ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Um, weren't para's (say a div or smaller unit) used against Eban Emael, the Belgian fortress in the open shots of 1940? I really don't remember Crete being the first use of them. Naybe Crete should be the first "large scale use" of German paras.

Thanks,
Jason

Good point. This will be corrected. I believe that it was way smaller than a division that overtook Eban Emael though. I will check out the details.

EDIT: "10 May 1940, 85 paratroopers of the 1st Fallschirmjäger Division landed in the fortress with gliders" http://www.answers.com/topic/fort-eben-emael

I believe that the first paradrop during wartime took place on april 9th 1940 05:05 as part of the invasion of denmark when 80 paratropers command by hauptmann Walter Gerickewere transported by 12 JU52 secured the Madsnedoefort (Madsned-islands-fortress) whose 120mm guns overlooked the Storstoems-bridge linking Sealand to the island of Falster south of it. - as it happens the fortress had been decomissioned and the garrison consisted of 2 recruits and a civilian armed with a machinegun but no ammunition..., so there were no shots fired. - However just as the danish surrender order came a scratch force had been assembled to try to retake it ...

LINK to homepage of Madsnedoe-fortress

Claus

ORIGINAL: CBoehm

ORIGINAL: capitan

ORIGINAL: iamspamus

Um, weren't para's (say a div or smaller unit) used against Eban Emael, the Belgian fortress in the open shots of 1940? I really don't remember Crete being the first use of them. Naybe Crete should be the first "large scale use" of German paras.

Thanks,
Jason

Good point. This will be corrected. I believe that it was way smaller than a division that overtook Eban Emael though. I will check out the details.

EDIT: "10 May 1940, 85 paratroopers of the 1st Fallschirmjäger Division landed in the fortress with gliders" http://www.answers.com/topic/fort-eben-emael

I believe that the first paradrop during wartime took place on april 9th 1940 05:05 as part of the invasion of denmark when 80 paratropers command by hauptmann Walter Gerickewere transported by 12 JU52 secured the Madsnedoefort (Madsned-islands-fortress) whose 120mm guns overlooked the Storstoems-bridge linking Sealand to the island of Falster south of it. - as it happens the fortress had been decomissioned and the garrison consisted of 2 recruits and a civilian armed with a machinegun but no ammunition..., so there were no shots fired. - However just as the danish surrender order came a scratch force had been assembled to try to retake it ...

LINK to homepage of Madsnedoe-fortress

Claus

Awesome. Thanks for the research and the local knowledge. I vaguely recall reading about paratroops used in Denmark and they were certainly used in Norway. I can imagine those Ju-52s rumbling through the pre-dawn Spring sky, packed with equipment and steely, square-jawed German paratroops who have studied maps and models, and trained extensively for what appeared to be a vital mission.

Cheers, Neilster

The German Paratroopers and Air Landing units were used in three major operations:
1. Units (not over battallion size) of the "Fallschirmjäger Division" in JU52 were Paradropped on airfields in northern denmark, near Oslo and as i remember Stavanger to secure airfields.
2. The "Fallschirmjäger Division" and the 22nd Airlanding Division ("Luftlandedivision, actual an infantry division without heavy weapons, without an artillery regiment and i think with a fourth infantry regiment) were paradropped and landed with gliders on airfields in the netherlands (Rotterdam, Den Haag). In terms of "number of air landed soldiers" a larger operation than the landing on crete. The operation was "one airfield too far" and the troops near Den Haag suffered extrme losses.
3. In the air landing on crete participated the Fallschirmjägerdivision and one or two mountain divisions ás air landing units and in barges.
 
The Operation to paradropp on malta never occur, because of the extreme lcasualities on crete (as i remember higher than 30%) with the true Private Ryan story among a german Paratrooper "Family".
 
The 22nd Air Landing Division (from the durch campaign) was reorganized and reequipped as normal infantry Division for Barbarossa and fought in the crimea (as i remember).
 
In the late war the german Paratroopers were used as light elite infantry units for difficult terrain (like Monte Cassino). Due to Hermann Görings ambitions a paratrooper army was founded in the western theater (about 1944).
 
Michael

Part of the Battle of the Bulge called Operation Stösser called for elements of the Fallschirmjäger reg. to drop behind enemy lines and capture the "Baraque Michel" crossroads. Due to bad weather, many planes went off-course, and men were dropped as far as a dozen kilometers away from the intended drop zone, with only a fraction of the force landing near it. By noon a group of around 300 managed to assemble, but this force was too small and too weak to counter the Allies. Colonel von der Heydte abandoned plans to take the crossroads and instead ordered his men to harass the Allied troops in the vicinity with guerrilla-like actions. Because of the extensive dispersal of the jump, with Fallschirmjäger being reported all over the Ardennes, the Allies believed a major divisional-sized jump had taken place, resulting in much confusion and causing them to allocate men to secure their rear instead of sending them off to the front to face the main German thrust.

Actually, the paratroopers that took Fornebu airfield and gressholmen flotation plane airport (both near Oslo) simply landed, got out of the planes, and took over the airport. At gressholmen shots were fired, but both airports fell very quickly. When you're at peace, it's not the custom to shoot down unidentified aircraft coming in to land, and before radar, there was only very few minutes available to react and scramble a defence of the airports.

ORIGINAL: fallgelb

The German Paratroopers and Air Landing units were used in three major operations:
1. Units (not over battallion size) of the "Fallschirmjäger Division" in JU52 were Paradropped on airfields in northern denmark, near Oslo and as i remember Stavanger to secure airfields.
2. The "Fallschirmjäger Division" and the 22nd Airlanding Division ("Luftlandedivision, actual an infantry division without heavy weapons, without an artillery regiment and i think with a fourth infantry regiment) were paradropped and landed with gliders on airfields in the netherlands (Rotterdam, Den Haag). In terms of "number of air landed soldiers" a larger operation than the landing on crete. The operation was "one airfield too far" and the troops near Den Haag suffered extrme losses.
3. In the air landing on crete participated the Fallschirmjägerdivision and one or two mountain divisions ás air landing units and in barges.

The Operation to paradropp on malta never occur, because of the extreme lcasualities on crete (as i remember higher than 30%) with the true Private Ryan story among a german Paratrooper "Family".

The 22nd Air Landing Division (from the durch campaign) was reorganized and reequipped as normal infantry Division for Barbarossa and fought in the crimea (as i remember).

In the late war the german Paratroopers were used as light elite infantry units for difficult terrain (like Monte Cassino). Due to Hermann Görings ambitions a paratrooper army was founded in the western theater (about 1944).

Michael

wasn't there also a small drop in reaction to the Allied invasion of Sicily?

that led to at least a memorable and massive Squad Leader scenario I've always wanted to play.

Is there 1 or 2 Philippine Territorials?

Yes, there is one, why this question ?

This is the same, from MWiF.

Yes, there is one, why this question ?

I'm starting to work on the USA units. I couldn't remember how many Philippines there were. I was thinking that there were two.[:(]

ORIGINAL: mldtchdog

Yes, there is one, why this question ?

I'm starting to work on the USA units. I couldn't remember how many Philippines there were. I was thinking that there were two.[:(]

You were probably thinking of MacArthur[;)].

I just recently recieved the finished russian and mongolian army write-up from Adam! And what does he do? He dives right back in to the americans! I am stunned by his skill and productivity. A round of applause for his efforts! [&o] (I have yet to redact them into the master document)

On another note the Poles and the Belgians are finished too by Michael and Magnus!

We are getting closer but the task ahead is still huge. If any of you out there want to pitch in, if only with one country or even just one write-up please do.

- Jesper

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
You were probably thinking of MacArthur[;)].

MacArthur ? Who's that ?

(Sorry, I can't help posting pictures of the counters !)

Might as well show the whole writeup.[:)]

Status-report on Landunits (all countries):

394 out of 999 units done (39%)

Allies:
USA 19/99 (Adam)
Russia 122/146 (Adam)
Siberian Russia 4/4 (Adam) DONE!
UK 6/57
France 7/68
Communist China 16/18 (Wosung)
Nat. China 33/38 (Wosung)

Axis:
Germany 70/128 (Capitan)
SS-Germany 0/19 (Capitan)
Japan 6/76
Italy 15/61 (Jimm)

Commonwealth countries:
Australia 8/8 (Michaelbaldur) DONE!
New Zeeland 3/3 (Michaelbaldur) DONE!
Canada 1/10 (Michaelbaldur)
India 1/13 (Michaelbaldur)
South Africa 5/5 (Michaelbaldur) DONE!
Burma 0/2
Thailand 0/1
Palestine 0/1
Egypt 0/2
Sudan 0/1
Kenya 0/1
Uganda 0/1
Tanganyika 0/1
Northern Rhodesia 0/1
Southern Rhodesia 0/1
Nigeria 0/2
Sierra Leone 0/1
Aden 0/1
British Somalialand 0/1
Northern Ireland 0/1

Axis minors:
Finland 8/8 (Adam) DONE!
Hungary 0/6
Rumania 10/10 (Adam) DONE!
Bulgaria 0/3
Croatia 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Libya 0/3 (Jimm)
Eritrea 0/1 (Jimm)
Italian Somalialand 0/2 (Jimm)
Ukraine 0/8 (Adam)
AOI 1/1 (Mziln) DONE!

Latin America neutrals:
Mexico 0/6
Panama 0/2
Colombia 0/1
Venezuela 0/1
Ecuador 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Peru 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Brasil 0/5
Bolivia 0/1
Paraguay 0/1
Uruguay 0/1
Chile 0/2
Argentina 0/3

Japanese colonies:
Korea 0/2
Manchuko 0/4
Formosa 0/1

Russian vassals:
Mongolia 1/1 (Adam) DONE!

French Colonies:
Syria 0/2 (Capitan)
Tunisia 0/1 (Capitan)
Algeria 0/2 (Capitan)
Morroco 0/1 (Capitan)
French Somalia 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Madagascar 0/1 (Capitan)
Gabon 0/1 (Capitan)
Cameroon 0/1 (Capitan)
Ivory Coast 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
French Sudan 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Senegal 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Middle Congo 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Niger 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Indo-China 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!

Neutrals:
Iran 0/2
Afghanistan 0/2 (Adam)
Ireland 0/2 (bj_rodhe)
Netherlands 0/2
Belgium 0/4 (BredsjöMagnus)
Portugal 0/2
Denmark 1/1 (Michaelbaldur) DONE!
Norway 3/3 (Michaelbaldur) DONE!
Sweden 10/13 (Toed)
Switzerland 6/6 (Adam) DONE!
Poland 13/14 (Michaelbaldur)
Turkey 1/13
Iraq 2/2 (Capitan) DONE!
Saudi Arabia 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Nat. Spain 2/14 (SPerdomo)
Liberia 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!
Greece 0/4
Yugoslavia 1/9 (Dale)
N. East Indies 2/2 (Capitan) DONE!
Belgian Congo 1/1 (Capitan) DONE!


Pre-1939:
Ethiopia 1/6
Rep. Spain 1/14
Czeckoslovakia 1/15
Austria 0/3


All HQs are done by Greyshaft.

NO-ONE is doing all ART (including AA, AT plus supplyunits)for all countries. A volounteer for this is needed urgently!

If anyone has the urge to do the write-ups of a particular country send me a PM. This is very appreciated! Time is running short!

I was looking at the territorials (CW and French mainly) and thought that perhaps one way of doing a writeup for each of them and keep it interesting would be to give a short background on the country: people/population, military prowess, the year colonized, etc.. A flavor of the country might be of interest, especially if the territorial unit did nothing during the war other than stay at home and guard the border.

ORIGINAL: capitan
Commonwealth countries:
(...)
Indo-China 0/1

This should go in the French Colony list please, not the CW one [:D].

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

I was looking at the territorials (CW and French mainly) and thought that perhaps one way of doing a writeup for each of them and keep it interesting would be to give a short background on the country: people/population, military prowess, the year colonized, etc.. A flavor of the country might be of interest, especially if the territorial unit did nothing during the war other than stay at home and guard the border.

Two great minds think alike [;)] I was actually just thinking down the same line but I will save those for last as there might be great stories yet to be found for many of them.